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p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
April 15 2013 11:25 GMT
#881
This is how you defeat Flash. Build 40 banelings, right click his base. GG...KT should not send Flash in the ACE match.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
April 15 2013 11:25 GMT
#882
On April 15 2013 20:19 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 19:48 Elite_ wrote:
On April 15 2013 19:46 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Im gonna cry if EgTL loses this...

Zenio vs. Zerg confirmed 4-1 score. Zenio has already beaten RorO and Hydra in Proleague, Crazy should be no problem.

can't beat kt by using stats


Here stats for you, also 4-1 vs Crazy
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=611&part=games&vs=536&league=any&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=4&from_day=13&to_year=2012&to_month=8&to_day=26&action=Update
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
April 15 2013 11:25 GMT
#883
On April 15 2013 20:22 Zinthar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:12 FeyFey wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:09 Quakie wrote:

Why did he go 9pool from the beginning then?


Queen snipe and deny the natural and some lost eco due to drone pulls. If you kill the Queen the game is as good as over. Because it is 7 larva vs 3.


Unfortunately he didn't even come close to killing the queen even though Crazy had it out of position briefly, and the cancel and lost mining time was insignificant compared to the economic lead Crazy's opening provided him.

Against a competent pro Korean Zerg, I don't see what build that 9 pool would be useful against -- it seems like the player who 9-pools will always be behind if the defender executes properly, regardless of whether they go hatch-gas-pool or hatch-pool. And if they go 14 pool they can probably just make a round of lings and expand first without losing anything, unless they hatch before an overlord spots the lings.



Zenio went to go kill the building hatch, while Crazy's main base didn't even have lings building yet. It was a waste of time going for the building hatch because it was canceled last second. If he went to mineral line first, then so much damage would have been done, killing drones/delay mining time. Silly mistake by Zenio. WHY DID I TRADE BBYONG FOR YOU
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
April 15 2013 11:25 GMT
#884
Stats is playing like shit recently, alive got this.
Nimelrian
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany142 Posts
April 15 2013 11:25 GMT
#885
"Alive sweats like crazy in the booth" - SNM.

WTF AM I WATCHING
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 15 2013 11:26 GMT
#886
Alive fighting! I have to admit I'm torn. I want EGTL to win, but I also want to see the possible Ace match.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
April 15 2013 11:26 GMT
#887
On April 15 2013 20:25 p14c wrote:
This is how you defeat Flash. Build 40 banelings, right click his base. GG...KT should not send Flash in the ACE match.

He just has to build one siege tank and wall his expo.

I really don't like how terran forgot that Siege Tanks exist in the game.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 15 2013 11:26 GMT
#888
On April 15 2013 20:23 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:19 figq wrote:
On April 15 2013 19:48 Elite_ wrote:
On April 15 2013 19:46 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Im gonna cry if EgTL loses this...

Zenio vs. Zerg confirmed 4-1 score. Zenio has already beaten RorO and Hydra in Proleague, Crazy should be no problem.

can't beat kt by using stats


4-1 stats in a volatile match up is always a good argument.


Don't know if you were sarcastic, but 4-1 in a match up thats volatile is the exact reason why its not one.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
April 15 2013 11:26 GMT
#889
Let the sweating begin!
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 15 2013 11:26 GMT
#890
I fear for EG-TL if this goes to the ace-match, gogo alive!
Moderatorlickypiddy
Fody03
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy310 Posts
April 15 2013 11:27 GMT
#891
build order loss incoming
Terrans
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
April 15 2013 11:27 GMT
#892
On April 15 2013 20:26 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:23 Miragee wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:19 figq wrote:
On April 15 2013 19:48 Elite_ wrote:
On April 15 2013 19:46 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Im gonna cry if EgTL loses this...

Zenio vs. Zerg confirmed 4-1 score. Zenio has already beaten RorO and Hydra in Proleague, Crazy should be no problem.

can't beat kt by using stats


4-1 stats in a volatile match up is always a good argument.


Don't know if you were sarcastic, but 4-1 in a match up thats volatile is the exact reason why its not one.

I don't think you seriously mean that 5 games is statistically relevant.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 15 2013 11:28 GMT
#893
I don't get why stats wouldn't harass the scv building the CC
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
April 15 2013 11:28 GMT
#894
Protoss has already won
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 15 2013 11:28 GMT
#895
i wonder if anyone has cancelled a 14cc after it got scouted and threw down 3 barracks for cheese haha
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 15 2013 11:29 GMT
#896
On April 15 2013 20:28 opterown wrote:
i wonder if anyone has cancelled a 14cc after it got scouted and threw down 3 barracks for cheese haha

funnily enough that's happened to me before.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
April 15 2013 11:29 GMT
#897
On April 15 2013 20:25 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:22 Zinthar wrote:


Unfortunately he didn't even come close to killing the queen even though Crazy had it out of position briefly, and the cancel and lost mining time was insignificant compared to the economic lead Crazy's opening provided him.

Against a competent pro Korean Zerg, I don't see what build that 9 pool would be useful against -- it seems like the player who 9-pools will always be behind if the defender executes properly, regardless of whether they go hatch-gas-pool or hatch-pool. And if they go 14 pool they can probably just make a round of lings and expand first without losing anything, unless they hatch before an overlord spots the lings.



Zenio went to go kill the building hatch, while Crazy's main base didn't even have lings building yet. It was a waste of time going for the building hatch because it was canceled last second. If he went to mineral line first, then so much damage would have been done, killing drones/delay mining time. Silly mistake by Zenio. WHY DID I TRADE BBYONG FOR YOU


As someone else mentioned, if he had guessed wrong and Crazy had pooled before gas, then his pool would almost be finished, and Zenio would have failed to cancel/kill the hatch and would get no more than a handful of drone kills and would basically auto-lose.

I suspect that a korean pro also wouldn't lose a bunch of drones even if zenio had gone straight for the main. He just needs to hold out to get his lings to hatch, and then he can attack/surround. He could afford to lose some drones because of how far ahead he is -- and even if he falls behind he has superior production.
mmatahi
Profile Joined March 2011
France126 Posts
April 15 2013 11:29 GMT
#898
On April 15 2013 20:27 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:26 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:23 Miragee wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:19 figq wrote:
On April 15 2013 19:48 Elite_ wrote:
On April 15 2013 19:46 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Im gonna cry if EgTL loses this...

Zenio vs. Zerg confirmed 4-1 score. Zenio has already beaten RorO and Hydra in Proleague, Crazy should be no problem.

can't beat kt by using stats


4-1 stats in a volatile match up is always a good argument.


Don't know if you were sarcastic, but 4-1 in a match up thats volatile is the exact reason why its not one.

I don't think you seriously mean that 5 games is statistically relevant.


P-value = 0.18 so it is not statistically relevant indeed
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
April 15 2013 11:30 GMT
#899
On April 15 2013 20:28 opterown wrote:
i wonder if anyone has cancelled a 14cc after it got scouted and threw down 3 barracks for cheese haha


You should have coached BitByBit, he would have won GSL.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 15 2013 11:30 GMT
#900
On April 15 2013 20:25 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:22 Zinthar wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:12 FeyFey wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:09 Quakie wrote:

Why did he go 9pool from the beginning then?


Queen snipe and deny the natural and some lost eco due to drone pulls. If you kill the Queen the game is as good as over. Because it is 7 larva vs 3.


Unfortunately he didn't even come close to killing the queen even though Crazy had it out of position briefly, and the cancel and lost mining time was insignificant compared to the economic lead Crazy's opening provided him.

Against a competent pro Korean Zerg, I don't see what build that 9 pool would be useful against -- it seems like the player who 9-pools will always be behind if the defender executes properly, regardless of whether they go hatch-gas-pool or hatch-pool. And if they go 14 pool they can probably just make a round of lings and expand first without losing anything, unless they hatch before an overlord spots the lings.



Zenio went to go kill the building hatch, while Crazy's main base didn't even have lings building yet. It was a waste of time going for the building hatch because it was canceled last second. If he went to mineral line first, then so much damage would have been done, killing drones/delay mining time. Silly mistake by Zenio. WHY DID I TRADE BBYONG FOR YOU


Yeah I agree should have scouted the main asap, I personally would have sniped the pool it was so badly placed for this situation. Of course perfectly for keeping your Queen alive.
But Imo the no gas afterwards was quiet odd. Would love to know what Zenio thought this game.
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