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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#2601
Is Feast a Belgium/Frenchie or Belgium/German?
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
April 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#2602
On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week.


Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale.

No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU.

He's not THAT bad.


Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him.

Then you severely underestimate how good he is.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
April 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#2603
On April 16 2013 05:33 Derez wrote:
Anyone else having issues with twitch today?

I've been getting nothing but a black screen since this afternoon, was fine this morning. Tried everything I could think of (clearing cache, cookies, different browsers) but nothing seems to do it. Wondering if its me or just twitch being twitch.
I occasionally get a black screen as well.
Refreshing worked for me (sometimes multiple times)
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#2604
On April 16 2013 05:33 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:32 JustPassingBy wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:31 TheBB wrote:
                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    Top 16    
----------------------------------------------------------------
Welmu 18.20% 8.21% 11.26% 29.25% 33.09%
duckdeok 15.32% 13.71% 37.83% 33.14% 0.00%
Bunny 14.01% 8.45% 19.23% 33.11% 25.20%
Starbuck 13.37% 12.63% 19.92% 20.55% 33.53%
Feast 10.48% 11.42% 17.21% 30.30% 30.59%
Beastyqt 6.49% 7.93% 18.71% 66.86% 0.00%
Strelok 5.96% 7.88% 11.67% 24.65% 49.84%
TargA 4.18% 6.79% 10.26% 28.61% 50.16%
Harstem 3.39% 5.39% 10.27% 14.48% 66.47%
Tefel 2.68% 5.97% 13.45% 34.45% 43.45%
Brat_OK 2.42% 2.42% 8.47% 19.77% 66.91%
PsiOniC 1.84% 3.94% 8.37% 16.44% 69.41%
Gato 0.84% 2.00% 4.50% 17.87% 74.80%
PandaTank 0.81% 3.26% 8.85% 30.52% 56.55%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


Wth, Welcu? Really? Rooting for TargA btw, last German in the tournament! :D


Targa is Norwegian? And haha, Welmu leading? That's nuts. Every time I think he's out and done with he reappears.


Shut up. Lives in Germany, eats like a German, IS German! :D
PixelNite
Profile Joined August 2011
France1008 Posts
April 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#2605
On April 16 2013 05:33 Awesomeness wrote:
Feast has a really good bracket now imo.

Yeah I think he's gonna make it. He's also the best player in this top16
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
April 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#2606
On April 16 2013 05:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
Is Feast a Belgium/Frenchie or Belgium/German?

belgium french
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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#2607
On April 16 2013 05:35 Yhamm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
Is Feast a Belgium/Frenchie or Belgium/German?

belgium french


kk thx you:D
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
April 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#2608
On April 16 2013 05:33 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:31 TheBB wrote:
                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    Top 16    
----------------------------------------------------------------
Welmu 18.20% 8.21% 11.26% 29.25% 33.09%
duckdeok 15.32% 13.71% 37.83% 33.14% 0.00%
Bunny 14.01% 8.45% 19.23% 33.11% 25.20%
Starbuck 13.37% 12.63% 19.92% 20.55% 33.53%
Feast 10.48% 11.42% 17.21% 30.30% 30.59%
Beastyqt 6.49% 7.93% 18.71% 66.86% 0.00%
Strelok 5.96% 7.88% 11.67% 24.65% 49.84%
TargA 4.18% 6.79% 10.26% 28.61% 50.16%
Harstem 3.39% 5.39% 10.27% 14.48% 66.47%
Tefel 2.68% 5.97% 13.45% 34.45% 43.45%
Brat_OK 2.42% 2.42% 8.47% 19.77% 66.91%
PsiOniC 1.84% 3.94% 8.37% 16.44% 69.41%
Gato 0.84% 2.00% 4.50% 17.87% 74.80%
PandaTank 0.81% 3.26% 8.85% 30.52% 56.55%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

PandaTank is already in ro8 ^^

Hey, cut me some slackskies.

                    Win    Top 2    Top 4    Top 8    Top 16    
----------------------------------------------------------------
Welmu 18.12% 8.29% 11.26% 29.25% 33.09%
duckdeok 15.10% 13.93% 37.83% 33.14% 0.00%
Starbuck 14.56% 13.75% 21.69% 16.47% 33.53%
Bunny 14.15% 8.31% 19.23% 33.11% 25.20%
Feast 10.53% 11.47% 17.11% 30.30% 30.59%
Beastyqt 6.58% 7.85% 18.71% 66.86% 0.00%
Strelok 6.24% 8.25% 11.02% 24.65% 49.84%
TargA 4.12% 6.68% 10.43% 28.61% 50.16%
Harstem 3.60% 5.73% 10.91% 13.29% 66.47%
Brat_OK 2.42% 2.42% 8.47% 19.77% 66.91%
PandaTank 1.87% 7.51% 20.37% 70.24% 0.00%
PsiOniC 1.81% 3.87% 8.47% 16.44% 69.41%
Gato 0.89% 1.94% 4.50% 17.87% 74.80%
Tefel 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00%
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
April 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#2609
On April 16 2013 05:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
Is Feast a Belgium/Frenchie or Belgium/German?

Can't you tell by the thread?
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 15 2013 20:36 GMT
#2610
On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week.


Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale.


Tails would be a Premier Division player in Europe imo. Aside from Stephano I wouldn't be surprised if he beat any European on LAN. Tails is a much, much better player than Daisy, Daisy was literally nothing in Korea, didn't ever get sent out for Prime in GSTL and I don't remember him ever qualifiying for Code A, where as Tails is on and off in Code A and has a decent GSTL record. There's a big, big difference between the two.

I don't see Tails winning or making the finals of WCS Europe but I'd expect him to be a Premier League mainstay and with a good run and a bit of luck he could make the semi finals or even finals.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-15 20:38:12
April 15 2013 20:36 GMT
#2611
On April 16 2013 05:35 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
Is Feast a Belgium/Frenchie or Belgium/German?

Can't you tell by the thread?


haha, True. Good point:D

On April 16 2013 05:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week.


Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale.


Tails would be a Premier Division player in Europe imo. Aside from Stephano I wouldn't be surprised if he beat any European on LAN. Tails is a much, much better player than Daisy, Daisy was literally nothing in Korea, didn't ever get sent out for Prime in GSTL and I don't remember him ever qualifiying for Code A, where as Tails is on and off in Code A and has a decent GSTL record. There's a big, big difference between the two.

I don't see Tails winning or making the finals of WCS Europe but I'd expect him to be a Premier League mainstay and with a good run and a bit of luck he could make the semi finals or even finals.


You crazy. Last time I saw tails was a showmatch vs Stephano and he looked horrible lost 4-0. And at the same time Grubby,Babyknight,Titan, Feast having many closes matches vs Stephano
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 15 2013 20:36 GMT
#2612
gg by TargA, only one more game and he'll make Top 8! Really impressive!
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
April 15 2013 20:37 GMT
#2613
Welmu vs BratOK : http://www.twitch.tv/basetradetv & http://www.twitch.tv/sc2tv_ru
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
April 15 2013 20:37 GMT
#2614
Kaelaris and ESL tv doing what it does best, waiting and downtime. On a normal basis when its not WCS they are even worse, how that can be possible I don't know.
-,-
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 15 2013 20:37 GMT
#2615
On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week.


Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale.

No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU.

He's not THAT bad.


Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him.


There are not 15 europeans, probably not even 5, who could win games against good players in GSTL regularly, let alone devise snipe builds to take out anyone. Tied perhaps with finale, Tails is by far the best player in this qualifier.
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-15 20:38:19
April 15 2013 20:37 GMT
#2616
On April 16 2013 05:34 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week.


Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale.

No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU.

He's not THAT bad.


Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him.

Then you severely underestimate how good he is.

Yeah. He's never been extraordinary in GSL and sometimes has very shitty PvP decision making in ZOTAC Cups but he's been great in GSTL quite often and Tails is solid enough to have good chances to make it through a qualifier full of foreigners. Not in one try, perhaps, but in four I'd say he'd certainly get a spot if not for very very bad bracket luck.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
April 15 2013 20:38 GMT
#2617
On April 16 2013 05:34 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:
On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week.


Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale.

No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU.

He's not THAT bad.


Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him.

Then you severely underestimate how good he is.


He was pretty good in 2011/2012 but these days ? Whats his most recent decent result anywhere ?
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
April 15 2013 20:38 GMT
#2618
On April 16 2013 05:34 Yorbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 05:33 Derez wrote:
Anyone else having issues with twitch today?

I've been getting nothing but a black screen since this afternoon, was fine this morning. Tried everything I could think of (clearing cache, cookies, different browsers) but nothing seems to do it. Wondering if its me or just twitch being twitch.
I occasionally get a black screen as well.
Refreshing worked for me (sometimes multiple times)

Yesterday was bad, but today it is fantastic for me.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 15 2013 20:38 GMT
#2619
On April 16 2013 05:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
Is Feast a Belgium/Frenchie or Belgium/German?

Belgium/German doesn't exist. It's Belgium/Dutch (Flanders)
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
April 15 2013 20:38 GMT
#2620
Any Targa vs Strelok yet?
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