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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7281
On March 17 2013 09:01 Solarist wrote:
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On March 17 2013 08:50 monkybone wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:48 Vesky wrote:
Ridiculous amount of whining.

Really hope the metagame is given a chance before some serious nerfs are dealt out. It's a completely new freaking game, give me a break.


Yep, the metagame in WoL was literally this: Terran attacks, Protoss and Zerg defends. In HotS Terrans aggressive options got stronger, so naturally given the metagame, Terran will dominate. Terran base their play around Protoss and Zerg passiveness. That has to change, and it will make the game more interesting. Terran is practically abusing the metagame right now.

The reason Terran was forced into the role of the aggressor in WoL is because Terran lategame sucks balls. Yes the the BC/Raven/viking composition is really strong, but near impossible to reach


In hots that changed because upgrades are for mech air and ground
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7282
On March 17 2013 09:07 umelbumel wrote:
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On March 17 2013 09:06 Grettin wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:05 umelbumel wrote:
seeing sheth. Does he still plays SC2?!?


I think he is on a break, dealing with weight and wrist pain(?), but other than that, he is still in TeamLiquid and i guess playing.

He blogged about all of this month ago or so.

thanks. I always liked him. Would be cool to see him play again.


Here's the blog if you are interested.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=394593
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7283
damnit i want to watch both games. I think Jjakji needs my support so ill pick that game!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7284
Dustin realizes that the players under Kespa did switch from ONE game to ANOTHER?
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7285
Remove afterburner CD, make medivacs take damage when it is active instead. Suddenly boosting into defenses is fatal. Suddenly boosting multiple times to drop faster or zip between locations is a risk. Suddenly afterburning damaged medivacs is suicide. Suddenly consistently afterburning means they have to be repaired, or stay damaged.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7286
On March 17 2013 09:05 Vindicare605 wrote:
This tournament is stacked with better Terrans than anything else anyone that can't see that is lying to themselves.

There's only A SINGLE Foreign Terran here and guess what.... he lost.

There's just way more foreign Zergs and Protoss players at this MLG just like there has been at like every other MLG in the past and frankly that's just a recipe for Terran domination in the round of 32. Now the real test begins as the flock has been thinned and the real contenders remain.

Last 3-0 vs Stephano is the only real standout "surprise", then again Stephano looked pretty bad at IEM so I'm not that surprised.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7287
On March 17 2013 09:04 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:03 Sejanus wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:01 MCXD wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:01 Sejanus wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:59 edgeOut wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:56 Assirra wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:55 edgeOut wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:50 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:47 Bam Lee wrote:
i have a feeling people are underestimating the amount of effort it takes to play like innovation did o.O


I have a great deal of respect for Innovation's insane multitasking, but I'll admit I get kind of frustrated when a player as good as Leenock can't even take a game because there is no way to defend everywhere at once, and there seems to be no way to stop the drops.

I'm confident the Zergs will find a way eventually, but this series was brutal.


Maybe the reason is Leenock is just not good enough, Life probably can do better.

Oh boy here it comes.

Prepare for another "Terran are just better players thread" soon.


I'm saying Leenock is probably not top 3 zerg, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not in top 5 zerg ranking. But Bogus is probably No.1 or 2 terran.


Currently Leenock is 6th zerg and 8th overall in TLPD ELO


Because the TLPD ELO is remotely accurate.



Is it less accurate than what fanboys perceive as the best players? I doubt it.

Certainly not more accurate.


How about #3 Player on Aligulac rating?

Also, I have no dog in this fight. Just saying.

Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7288
On March 17 2013 09:07 Tobblish wrote:
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On March 17 2013 09:06 slowbacontron wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:06 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:05 ViperPL wrote:
Rain vs Jjakji inc, hopefully we'll see some dominant play from P, showing us how to crush T.


Hell no, I have Jjakji as runner up!

Jjakji as champion dude


Never doubt Mvp!

I don't think Mvp would be TOO sad about not having another trophy to add to his collection.
jjakji fan
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7289
On March 17 2013 09:08 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:01 Solarist wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:50 monkybone wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:48 Vesky wrote:
Ridiculous amount of whining.

Really hope the metagame is given a chance before some serious nerfs are dealt out. It's a completely new freaking game, give me a break.


Yep, the metagame in WoL was literally this: Terran attacks, Protoss and Zerg defends. In HotS Terrans aggressive options got stronger, so naturally given the metagame, Terran will dominate. Terran base their play around Protoss and Zerg passiveness. That has to change, and it will make the game more interesting. Terran is practically abusing the metagame right now.

The reason Terran was forced into the role of the aggressor in WoL is because Terran lategame sucks balls. Yes the the BC/Raven/viking composition is really strong, but near impossible to reach


In hots that changed because upgrades are for mech air and ground

Only if you play mech.

With bio you need to be aggressive.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
March 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#7290
On March 17 2013 09:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:04 Elroi wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:48 dsousa wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:42 duct_TAPE wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:41 Wrathsc2 wrote:
leenock playing terrible


leenock playing greeat


Leenock has always been an amazing big stage player, easily one of the best of the past several years.

The fact he was demolished so effectively either means he's over the hill (he's 18) or the game that's been released for 3 days needs balancing.

Leenock never lost that badly in WoL.

Or Innovation is good? Or a combination of several reasons...?


I usually want to slap you for jumping on every KeSPA hype train known to man, but I really cannot disagree with you here - Innovation played to his strenghts and Leenock didn't really know what to do, or didn't have enough experience to handle the drops.

*high five*
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
March 17 2013 00:09 GMT
#7291
On March 17 2013 09:07 Abominous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:05 edgeOut wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:01 MCXD wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:01 Sejanus wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:59 edgeOut wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:56 Assirra wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:55 edgeOut wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:50 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:47 Bam Lee wrote:
i have a feeling people are underestimating the amount of effort it takes to play like innovation did o.O


I have a great deal of respect for Innovation's insane multitasking, but I'll admit I get kind of frustrated when a player as good as Leenock can't even take a game because there is no way to defend everywhere at once, and there seems to be no way to stop the drops.

I'm confident the Zergs will find a way eventually, but this series was brutal.


Maybe the reason is Leenock is just not good enough, Life probably can do better.

Oh boy here it comes.

Prepare for another "Terran are just better players thread" soon.


I'm saying Leenock is probably not top 3 zerg, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not in top 5 zerg ranking. But Bogus is probably No.1 or 2 terran.


Currently Leenock is 6th zerg and 8th overall in TLPD ELO


Because the TLPD ELO is remotely accurate.


And it's not like Leenock is surely better than roro or symbol. Most of his achievement are from overseas anyway.

Since this is an overseas tournament and he's better than both of those combined (as much as we know so far) at that format, yes, that counts.


Turns out it doesn't count though.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 00:09:54
March 17 2013 00:09 GMT
#7292
Jjakji will crush Rain like a noobie. 5-0.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
March 17 2013 00:09 GMT
#7293
MLG you are one hour behind the schedule, why would you play this documentary thing ._.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10156 Posts
March 17 2013 00:09 GMT
#7294
On March 17 2013 09:04 eXeZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:01 TheDwf wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:59 Assirra wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:58 THM wrote:
You need to stop with all the ferrarivac whining. What many people are not noticing is that the terran lineup for this tournament is ABSOLUTELY KILLER. Probably 70%+ or so of the top 10 terrans in the world are in this 32 man bracket. Of course terran will win a lot, even if this was WoL.

The problem is not that they win a lot, but HOW they win.
Innovation just made Leenock, a zerg who held his own since GSL open season 2 look like a foreigner patch zerg.
We understand as time goes by it will get better but this is frustrating to watch.

And naturally this was only because of Medivacs, and absolutely not because he opened 2-bases Mutalisks with a late third against fast triple OC each game.


With the new units terran is able to deny fast third bases of zerg really easy.
So zerg is basicly forced to go 2 base tech or play really risky and hope terran plays passive.
But terran can open 3OC and pressure the zergs third at the same time.
There lies the real problem in ZvT at the moment.
Zerg is not able to come out even into the midgame with terran


How exactly does a fast 3 OC deny a fast third on hots ? With what new unit ? Fast 3 expo doesn't mean gassless 3 expansion like you zergs are used to do.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
March 17 2013 00:09 GMT
#7295
On March 17 2013 09:06 Crazypyro1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:05 Vindicare605 wrote:
This tournament is stacked with better Terrans than anything else anyone that can't see that is lying to themselves.

There's only A SINGLE Foreign Terran here and guess what.... he lost.

There's just way more foreign Zergs and Protoss players at this MLG just like there has been at like every other MLG in the past and frankly that's just a recipe for Terran domination in the round of 32. Now the real test begins as the flock has been thinned and the real contenders remain.


You realize the Korean qualifiers had a 100% T winrate in TvZ right?


you realize the korean qualifier happened in early beta right?
Pitrocelli
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovakia127 Posts
March 17 2013 00:10 GMT
#7296
I am hoping response from Blizzard to these ZvT games will be somethink like buffing nydus worm with faster node build time or only mineral cost instead of straight up nerf of speed medivacs. They create interesting dynamic but zergs need to be able to counterattack somehow.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
March 17 2013 00:10 GMT
#7297
hah.. lmao day9.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Hydrate
Profile Joined March 2013
United States23 Posts
March 17 2013 00:10 GMT
#7298
day9 so classy
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 17 2013 00:10 GMT
#7299
Give us Flash vs Ret already damn, I thought we were behind schedule.
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 00:10:21
March 17 2013 00:10 GMT
#7300
On March 17 2013 09:09 DJHelium wrote:
Jjakji will crush this noobie. 5-0.


It's a best of 5 not a best of 9 O_o
I will master Speshul Taktics.!
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