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On March 17 2013 09:01 Solarist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 08:50 monkybone wrote:On March 17 2013 08:48 Vesky wrote:
Ridiculous amount of whining.
Really hope the metagame is given a chance before some serious nerfs are dealt out. It's a completely new freaking game, give me a break. Yep, the metagame in WoL was literally this: Terran attacks, Protoss and Zerg defends. In HotS Terrans aggressive options got stronger, so naturally given the metagame, Terran will dominate. Terran base their play around Protoss and Zerg passiveness. That has to change, and it will make the game more interesting. Terran is practically abusing the metagame right now. The reason Terran was forced into the role of the aggressor in WoL is because Terran lategame sucks balls. Yes the the BC/Raven/viking composition is really strong, but near impossible to reach
In hots that changed because upgrades are for mech air and ground
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On March 17 2013 09:07 umelbumel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:06 Grettin wrote:On March 17 2013 09:05 umelbumel wrote:
seeing sheth. Does he still plays SC2?!? I think he is on a break, dealing with weight and wrist pain(?), but other than that, he is still in TeamLiquid and i guess playing. He blogged about all of this month ago or so. thanks. I always liked him. Would be cool to see him play again.
Here's the blog if you are interested.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=394593
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damnit i want to watch both games. I think Jjakji needs my support so ill pick that game!
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Dustin realizes that the players under Kespa did switch from ONE game to ANOTHER?
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Remove afterburner CD, make medivacs take damage when it is active instead. Suddenly boosting into defenses is fatal. Suddenly boosting multiple times to drop faster or zip between locations is a risk. Suddenly afterburning damaged medivacs is suicide. Suddenly consistently afterburning means they have to be repaired, or stay damaged.
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On March 17 2013 09:05 Vindicare605 wrote:
This tournament is stacked with better Terrans than anything else anyone that can't see that is lying to themselves.
There's only A SINGLE Foreign Terran here and guess what.... he lost.
There's just way more foreign Zergs and Protoss players at this MLG just like there has been at like every other MLG in the past and frankly that's just a recipe for Terran domination in the round of 32. Now the real test begins as the flock has been thinned and the real contenders remain.
Last 3-0 vs Stephano is the only real standout "surprise", then again Stephano looked pretty bad at IEM so I'm not that surprised.
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On March 17 2013 09:04 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:03 Sejanus wrote:On March 17 2013 09:01 MCXD wrote:On March 17 2013 09:01 Sejanus wrote:On March 17 2013 08:59 edgeOut wrote:On March 17 2013 08:56 Assirra wrote:On March 17 2013 08:55 edgeOut wrote:On March 17 2013 08:50 Zealously wrote:On March 17 2013 08:47 Bam Lee wrote:
i have a feeling people are underestimating the amount of effort it takes to play like innovation did o.O I have a great deal of respect for Innovation's insane multitasking, but I'll admit I get kind of frustrated when a player as good as Leenock can't even take a game because there is no way to defend everywhere at once, and there seems to be no way to stop the drops. I'm confident the Zergs will find a way eventually, but this series was brutal. Maybe the reason is Leenock is just not good enough, Life probably can do better. Oh boy here it comes. Prepare for another "Terran are just better players thread" soon. I'm saying Leenock is probably not top 3 zerg, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not in top 5 zerg ranking. But Bogus is probably No.1 or 2 terran. Currently Leenock is 6th zerg and 8th overall in TLPD ELO Because the TLPD ELO is remotely accurate. Is it less accurate than what fanboys perceive as the best players? I doubt it. Certainly not more accurate.
How about #3 Player on Aligulac rating?
Also, I have no dog in this fight. Just saying.
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On March 17 2013 09:07 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:06 slowbacontron wrote:On March 17 2013 09:06 Tobblish wrote:On March 17 2013 09:05 ViperPL wrote:
Rain vs Jjakji inc, hopefully we'll see some dominant play from P, showing us how to crush T. Hell no, I have Jjakji as runner up! Jjakji as champion dude Never doubt Mvp!
I don't think Mvp would be TOO sad about not having another trophy to add to his collection.
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On March 17 2013 09:08 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:01 Solarist wrote:On March 17 2013 08:50 monkybone wrote:On March 17 2013 08:48 Vesky wrote:
Ridiculous amount of whining.
Really hope the metagame is given a chance before some serious nerfs are dealt out. It's a completely new freaking game, give me a break. Yep, the metagame in WoL was literally this: Terran attacks, Protoss and Zerg defends. In HotS Terrans aggressive options got stronger, so naturally given the metagame, Terran will dominate. Terran base their play around Protoss and Zerg passiveness. That has to change, and it will make the game more interesting. Terran is practically abusing the metagame right now. The reason Terran was forced into the role of the aggressor in WoL is because Terran lategame sucks balls. Yes the the BC/Raven/viking composition is really strong, but near impossible to reach In hots that changed because upgrades are for mech air and ground
Only if you play mech.
With bio you need to be aggressive.
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On March 17 2013 09:05 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:04 Elroi wrote:On March 17 2013 08:48 dsousa wrote:On March 17 2013 08:42 duct_TAPE wrote:On March 17 2013 08:41 Wrathsc2 wrote:
leenock playing terrible leenock playing greeat Leenock has always been an amazing big stage player, easily one of the best of the past several years. The fact he was demolished so effectively either means he's over the hill (he's 18) or the game that's been released for 3 days needs balancing. Leenock never lost that badly in WoL. Or Innovation is good? Or a combination of several reasons...? I usually want to slap you for jumping on every KeSPA hype train known to man, but I really cannot disagree with you here - Innovation played to his strenghts and Leenock didn't really know what to do, or didn't have enough experience to handle the drops.
*high five*
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On March 17 2013 09:07 Abominous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:05 edgeOut wrote:On March 17 2013 09:01 MCXD wrote:On March 17 2013 09:01 Sejanus wrote:On March 17 2013 08:59 edgeOut wrote:On March 17 2013 08:56 Assirra wrote:On March 17 2013 08:55 edgeOut wrote:On March 17 2013 08:50 Zealously wrote:On March 17 2013 08:47 Bam Lee wrote:
i have a feeling people are underestimating the amount of effort it takes to play like innovation did o.O I have a great deal of respect for Innovation's insane multitasking, but I'll admit I get kind of frustrated when a player as good as Leenock can't even take a game because there is no way to defend everywhere at once, and there seems to be no way to stop the drops. I'm confident the Zergs will find a way eventually, but this series was brutal. Maybe the reason is Leenock is just not good enough, Life probably can do better. Oh boy here it comes. Prepare for another "Terran are just better players thread" soon. I'm saying Leenock is probably not top 3 zerg, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not in top 5 zerg ranking. But Bogus is probably No.1 or 2 terran. Currently Leenock is 6th zerg and 8th overall in TLPD ELO Because the TLPD ELO is remotely accurate. And it's not like Leenock is surely better than roro or symbol. Most of his achievement are from overseas anyway. Since this is an overseas tournament and he's better than both of those combined (as much as we know so far) at that format, yes, that counts.
Turns out it doesn't count though.
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Jjakji will crush Rain like a noobie. 5-0.
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MLG you are one hour behind the schedule, why would you play this documentary thing ._.
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On March 17 2013 09:04 eXeZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:01 TheDwf wrote:On March 17 2013 08:59 Assirra wrote:On March 17 2013 08:58 THM wrote:
You need to stop with all the ferrarivac whining. What many people are not noticing is that the terran lineup for this tournament is ABSOLUTELY KILLER. Probably 70%+ or so of the top 10 terrans in the world are in this 32 man bracket. Of course terran will win a lot, even if this was WoL. The problem is not that they win a lot, but HOW they win. Innovation just made Leenock, a zerg who held his own since GSL open season 2 look like a foreigner patch zerg. We understand as time goes by it will get better but this is frustrating to watch. And naturally this was only because of Medivacs, and absolutely not because he opened 2-bases Mutalisks with a late third against fast triple OC each game. With the new units terran is able to deny fast third bases of zerg really easy. So zerg is basicly forced to go 2 base tech or play really risky and hope terran plays passive. But terran can open 3OC and pressure the zergs third at the same time. There lies the real problem in ZvT at the moment. Zerg is not able to come out even into the midgame with terran
How exactly does a fast 3 OC deny a fast third on hots ? With what new unit ? Fast 3 expo doesn't mean gassless 3 expansion like you zergs are used to do.
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On March 17 2013 09:06 Crazypyro1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:05 Vindicare605 wrote:
This tournament is stacked with better Terrans than anything else anyone that can't see that is lying to themselves.
There's only A SINGLE Foreign Terran here and guess what.... he lost.
There's just way more foreign Zergs and Protoss players at this MLG just like there has been at like every other MLG in the past and frankly that's just a recipe for Terran domination in the round of 32. Now the real test begins as the flock has been thinned and the real contenders remain. You realize the Korean qualifiers had a 100% T winrate in TvZ right?
you realize the korean qualifier happened in early beta right?
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I am hoping response from Blizzard to these ZvT games will be somethink like buffing nydus worm with faster node build time or only mineral cost instead of straight up nerf of speed medivacs. They create interesting dynamic but zergs need to be able to counterattack somehow.
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Give us Flash vs Ret already damn, I thought we were behind schedule.
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On March 17 2013 09:09 DJHelium wrote:
Jjakji will crush this noobie. 5-0.
It's a best of 5 not a best of 9 O_o
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EPT
