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On March 07 2013 00:23 McBrungus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:21 Zeon0 wrote:
hmm, people always said Snute and Vortix are patchzergs, todays results support that argument quite a lot^^ I think Snute just had bad timing in terms of becoming visible and then had a bad tournament today, but I'm not so sure about Vortix. He's never really impressed me all that much.
It's a weird thing to say he's a patchzerg as he is generally known for is ZvZ, without infestors. I think he has a very slow & methodical way of deciding his build orders and game plans, so he probably just needs some more time to practice HoTS.
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On March 07 2013 00:25 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:13 FakeDeath wrote:On March 07 2013 00:11 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On March 07 2013 00:08 Vanadiel wrote:On March 06 2013 23:54 Savant.GL wrote:
Early terran pressure is very strong and much more varied however there is no way to say it is imbalanced at this point, the game is too new and not enough games have been played.
The way vortix defended was just incorrect, the heavy queen playstyle should filter out in favour of roach defence. It's too soon to talk about balance, but nevertheless being force to go blindly into one particular tech path (roach, without being able to pressure with it) because of all the new threat does not make the game particulary interesting to be honest, if ling opening are no longer an option (or a very risky one) you limit the option which makes more boring game. That's why ZvP seems to be more fun right now, ling hydra/roach hydra/Mutalisk/swarmhost are all possible, and for protoss all tech route are viable so there is way more diversity. But dear god, as a Zerg I'm so scared to see MechVP tomorrow. :D Are you really expecting terrans to play mech in TvP ? Wait till MKP show you MECHKINGPRIME. Haha the guy can't even mech in TvZ :[ Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:19 Vanadiel wrote:On March 07 2013 00:11 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On March 07 2013 00:08 Vanadiel wrote:On March 06 2013 23:54 Savant.GL wrote:
Early terran pressure is very strong and much more varied however there is no way to say it is imbalanced at this point, the game is too new and not enough games have been played.
The way vortix defended was just incorrect, the heavy queen playstyle should filter out in favour of roach defence. It's too soon to talk about balance, but nevertheless being force to go blindly into one particular tech path (roach, without being able to pressure with it) because of all the new threat does not make the game particulary interesting to be honest, if ling opening are no longer an option (or a very risky one) you limit the option which makes more boring game. That's why ZvP seems to be more fun right now, ling hydra/roach hydra/Mutalisk/swarmhost are all possible, and for protoss all tech route are viable so there is way more diversity. But dear god, as a Zerg I'm so scared to see MechVP tomorrow. :D Are you really expecting terrans to play mech in TvP ? Well as MVP is the best Mech player in WoL and was already very successful with it against the best Zerg in the world, if he did practise HoTS it will be really scary tomorrow in TvZ . As for TvP meh I'll don't know, I really don't think it has been fully understood since there was almost 0 mech play in WoL TvP, Terran player are starting from scratch there. But if someone will show that mech is a viable/strong/(imba?) option in TvP, it will be MVP. It has to be Mvp, but it won't be tommorow, and I would say not on this patch.
I was talking about MKP Mech HotS TvP.
He is playing it pretty good.
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No, that feels wrong. Someone is going to go with gate pressure.
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On March 07 2013 00:27 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:25 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On March 07 2013 00:13 FakeDeath wrote:On March 07 2013 00:11 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On March 07 2013 00:08 Vanadiel wrote:On March 06 2013 23:54 Savant.GL wrote:
Early terran pressure is very strong and much more varied however there is no way to say it is imbalanced at this point, the game is too new and not enough games have been played.
The way vortix defended was just incorrect, the heavy queen playstyle should filter out in favour of roach defence. It's too soon to talk about balance, but nevertheless being force to go blindly into one particular tech path (roach, without being able to pressure with it) because of all the new threat does not make the game particulary interesting to be honest, if ling opening are no longer an option (or a very risky one) you limit the option which makes more boring game. That's why ZvP seems to be more fun right now, ling hydra/roach hydra/Mutalisk/swarmhost are all possible, and for protoss all tech route are viable so there is way more diversity. But dear god, as a Zerg I'm so scared to see MechVP tomorrow. :D Are you really expecting terrans to play mech in TvP ? Wait till MKP show you MECHKINGPRIME. Haha the guy can't even mech in TvZ :[ On March 07 2013 00:19 Vanadiel wrote:On March 07 2013 00:11 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On March 07 2013 00:08 Vanadiel wrote:On March 06 2013 23:54 Savant.GL wrote:
Early terran pressure is very strong and much more varied however there is no way to say it is imbalanced at this point, the game is too new and not enough games have been played.
The way vortix defended was just incorrect, the heavy queen playstyle should filter out in favour of roach defence. It's too soon to talk about balance, but nevertheless being force to go blindly into one particular tech path (roach, without being able to pressure with it) because of all the new threat does not make the game particulary interesting to be honest, if ling opening are no longer an option (or a very risky one) you limit the option which makes more boring game. That's why ZvP seems to be more fun right now, ling hydra/roach hydra/Mutalisk/swarmhost are all possible, and for protoss all tech route are viable so there is way more diversity. But dear god, as a Zerg I'm so scared to see MechVP tomorrow. :D Are you really expecting terrans to play mech in TvP ? Well as MVP is the best Mech player in WoL and was already very successful with it against the best Zerg in the world, if he did practise HoTS it will be really scary tomorrow in TvZ . As for TvP meh I'll don't know, I really don't think it has been fully understood since there was almost 0 mech play in WoL TvP, Terran player are starting from scratch there. But if someone will show that mech is a viable/strong/(imba?) option in TvP, it will be MVP. It has to be Mvp, but it won't be tommorow, and I would say not on this patch. I was talking about MKP Mech HotS TvP. He is playing it pretty good.
Didnt watch his stream, he is ? That's a surprise.
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On March 07 2013 00:27 Heartland wrote:
So, shall I guess... DTs for Mana, SG for Socke?
It's game two with Socke one game up, normally Socke would either go DTs now or do a gateway all-in. But it's HotS, so I don't know.
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On March 07 2013 00:22 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:11 Savant.GL wrote:On March 07 2013 00:09 Fenrax wrote:
btw the Socke/Mana game is extremely irrelevant for the group outcome it is incredibly relevant result pretty much doesnt change anything. Game is very irrelevant.
Please shut up if you have no idea what you are talking about. It means a lot to Mana, socke and sting.
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So im not sure if i've seen a hots map yet. It seems like the players always veto akilon wastes, newkirk and star station..
all the games i see are on ohana, daybreak, entombed and cloud kingdom.... makes it feel a lot like wol
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On March 07 2013 00:26 StarVe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +VortiX beat Snute 2-0.
Juan Moreno @Karont3_VortiX
won 2-0 snute so i'm 5th in my group. Thanks for those supporting me and I'm sorry for playing so bad. Bad preparation (HotS) (1/2)
+ playing bad + very good opponents = embarrassing play, but I'll try to preppair next one better (I have some months)! (2/2)
Why the hell would you post those spoilers (and not in a spoiler tag) when the games haven't been streamed yet? Vortix vs. Snute is the last series of the day. Spoiler your post x.x
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On March 07 2013 00:29 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:27 Heartland wrote:
So, shall I guess... DTs for Mana, SG for Socke? It's game two with Socke one game up, normally Socke would either go DTs now or do a gateway all-in. But it's HotS, so I don't know.
there you go!
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On March 07 2013 00:25 Savant.GL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:22 Fenrax wrote:On March 07 2013 00:11 Savant.GL wrote:On March 07 2013 00:09 Fenrax wrote:
btw the Socke/Mana game is extremely irrelevant for the group outcome it is incredibly relevant result pretty much doesnt change anything. Game is very irrelevant. If Socke wins 2-0 vs mana then mana can miss out on qualifying. or If mana wins then Sting can qualify over Socke. don't say a game is irrelevant without backing it up
Socke could even get first ine the group here, everything is still possible and this game is very relevant.
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I don't see much of a way that Socke could win this game.
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On March 07 2013 00:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:26 StarVe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +VortiX beat Snute 2-0.
Juan Moreno @Karont3_VortiX
won 2-0 snute so i'm 5th in my group. Thanks for those supporting me and I'm sorry for playing so bad. Bad preparation (HotS) (1/2)
+ playing bad + very good opponents = embarrassing play, but I'll try to preppair next one better (I have some months)! (2/2)
Why the hell would you post those spoilers (and not in a spoiler tag) when the games haven't been streamed yet? Vortix vs. Snute is the last series of the day.
As if the games will be streamed, they obviously ditched it because they're completely irrelevant. IEM doesn't do replay casts if you haven't noticed.
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OMG, he still hasn´t scouted that pylon.
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Please Mana take this, then Sting should beat Socke and continue on with his amazing 3-2 IEM streak.
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Hallucinated oracle is a great idea!
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On March 07 2013 00:32 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 07 2013 00:26 StarVe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +VortiX beat Snute 2-0.
Juan Moreno @Karont3_VortiX
won 2-0 snute so i'm 5th in my group. Thanks for those supporting me and I'm sorry for playing so bad. Bad preparation (HotS) (1/2)
+ playing bad + very good opponents = embarrassing play, but I'll try to preppair next one better (I have some months)! (2/2)
Why the hell would you post those spoilers (and not in a spoiler tag) when the games haven't been streamed yet? Vortix vs. Snute is the last series of the day. As if the games will be streamed, they obviously ditched it because they're completely irrelevant. IEM doesn't do replay casts if you haven't noticed.
Exactly. 
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On March 07 2013 00:30 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:25 Savant.GL wrote:On March 07 2013 00:22 Fenrax wrote:On March 07 2013 00:11 Savant.GL wrote:On March 07 2013 00:09 Fenrax wrote:
btw the Socke/Mana game is extremely irrelevant for the group outcome it is incredibly relevant result pretty much doesnt change anything. Game is very irrelevant. If Socke wins 2-0 vs mana then mana can miss out on qualifying. or If mana wins then Sting can qualify over Socke. don't say a game is irrelevant without backing it up Socke could even get first ine the group here, everything is still possible and this game is very relevant.
I agree the game is very relevant.
Can Socke still get 1st, I thought that if the score was tied they go
1) head to head
2) most wins
3) map score
in which case if socke and violet both go 4-1, violet takes 1st because he beat socke head to head
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Is "planetary nexus" the new "Base trade scenario"?
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On March 07 2013 00:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:26 StarVe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +VortiX beat Snute 2-0.
Juan Moreno @Karont3_VortiX
won 2-0 snute so i'm 5th in my group. Thanks for those supporting me and I'm sorry for playing so bad. Bad preparation (HotS) (1/2)
+ playing bad + very good opponents = embarrassing play, but I'll try to preppair next one better (I have some months)! (2/2)
Why the hell would you post those spoilers (and not in a spoiler tag) when the games haven't been streamed yet? Vortix vs. Snute is the last series of the day. Spoiler your post x.x
I think they wont even stream it.
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On March 07 2013 00:32 Left hand wrote:
Please Mana take this, then Sting should beat Socke and continue on with his amazing 3-2 IEM streak.
Ha, forgot about Sting's rule: goes down 0-2 and finishes 3-2, it makes sense.
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