EPT[Up/Down] Group C 2013 GSL Season 2 - Page 36
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:30 Big J wrote: Sad for HerO. WoL is just not a good place for Protoss :-( Creator stomped his group; I don't think there is any blame to be put on the state of Protoss, but rather the state of HerO - he didn't look too good in his games, whatever reason may lie behind that. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:33 Zealously wrote: Creator stomped his group; I don't think there is any blame to be put on the state of Protoss, but rather the state of HerO - he didn't look too good in his games, whatever reason may lie behind that. In the last half year there is a collective Protoss slumping going on at the highest level... That's not about balance - I just don't see any Protoss achieving anything at the highest level of WoL lately. (and U&D isn't the highest level) | ||
opterown
Australia54783 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:50 Big J wrote: In the last half year there is a collective Protoss slumping going on at the highest level... That's not about balance - I just don't see any Protoss achieving anything at the highest level of WoL lately. (and U&D isn't the highest level) i dno, protoss has quite a few high achievements in the past few months. not as much as zerg, but they are doing alright | ||
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11901 Posts
On March 06 2013 07:22 opterown wrote: i dno, protoss has quite a few high achievements in the past few months. not as much as zerg, but they are doing alright Yeah that just isn't true unfortunately... But that's how WoL will be remembered. | ||
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:50 Big J wrote: In the last half year there is a collective Protoss slumping going on at the highest level... That's not about balance - I just don't see any Protoss achieving anything at the highest level of WoL lately. (and U&D isn't the highest level) Two Protoss in Ro8 of the current GSL. That's just as many as Terran. sOs is the best player in PL. 4 of the top 10 players in PL are protoss. It's been longer since a Terran won GSL than Protoss. Protoss has never been a super dominant race like Zerg currently is or Terran once was. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23666 Posts
Equally they can get pretty good results and make good runs, at any time really bar the 1/1/1 era, so the race still 'wins things' The reason many Protoss players love HerO is because of his style. We don't want Protoss to just win, we want them to win in a non-retarded way. Parting's PvZ is a case in point, pretty bad/average until he discovered ONE allin that was ridiculously potent, and he can ride on its coat-tails to win. Parting's Pvz is possibly the most overrated single matchup in the history of SC since I can recall watching. This is not a bash at Parting, indeed his Pvt style was so beloved precisely because it was awesome to watch, nuanced and interesting to watch. | ||
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opterown
Australia54783 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23666 Posts
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opterown
Australia54783 Posts
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:35 papaz wrote: elephants are coming! You can here them STOMPING! Nice fail. Switch has been a whole year now. Players should be even and the results are leaning that way. | ||
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theMagus
578 Posts
On March 06 2013 11:31 catabowl wrote: Nice fail. Switch has been a whole year now. Players should be even and the results are leaning that way. bad try. full transition to sc2 in proleague only started december last year, while the hybrid started around may last year. did you even see these guys play at the mlg kespa invitational which was june of last year? they were chobos. how is 9 months of valid sc2 experience (at most. and i'm being generous here since hyrbid proleague was iffy as they had to practice for broodwar as well) equal to around 3 years of sc2 experience for the non-kespa players? the kespa players are performing way better than their sc2 experience suggests, especially compared to the non-kespa players. | ||
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opterown
Australia54783 Posts
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theMagus
578 Posts
imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11901 Posts
Yeah baby, that's my world. | ||
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theMagus
578 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On March 06 2013 12:01 theMagus wrote: ^ sure. but that is definitely not equal to 3 years of experience, which was my point. imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something. if the newcomers were as skilled as the esf players it would be the same as it is now. 3 years of experience doesn't matter when the metagame and balance has changed so much over those 3 years. the kespa players started playing when the game was pretty much figured out and there were only minor balance changes. they learned everything about sc2 from the esf players. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On March 06 2013 12:01 theMagus wrote: ^ sure. but that is definitely not equal to 3 years of experience, which was my point. imagine this flipped table scenario for a bit. it's the kespa guys who have 3 years experience, and the newcomers with 9 months of experience are the non-kespa players. what do you think the outcome of the current gsl will be? the way that scenario plays in my mind is that non-kespa players wouldn't stand a chance, just like in broodwar. of course we will never truly know, but it's not hard to imagine it turning out that way and that says something. I would say most of the reason for that is the team environment and strict practice schedule. Also, Kespa players understand better how to evaluate and fix holes in their play. This definitely gives them an advantage, but not an insurmountable one. If the situation were reversed, and the ESF guys were just now transitioning from BW, as long as they had the desire I still think they'd put up respectable numbers because they'd be working harder in order to catch up. Experience has diminishing returns, anyway. | ||
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