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Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
March 01 2013 14:03 GMT
#1601
On March 01 2013 22:57 ]343[ wrote:
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On March 01 2013 22:35 Serelitz wrote:
On March 01 2013 22:32 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 01 2013 22:29 syroz wrote:
RoRo vs Symbol... maybe the worst final in GSL history.

I dont want to talk about ZvZ, everybody agrees that its not the most facinating match up. The worst part is the players... 2 sparing partners with zero charisma. Have you ever see Roro smilling? For the last GSL WoL finale it's a bit of shame.

Anyway, hoppefully HotS is coming.


Roro has a rich background of making people rage constantly, weather or not hes charismatic he is certainly a very memorable person.


Memorable for BW fans maybe. You can't forget that a large part of SC2's viewerbase simply doesn't know anything about BW players. He hasn't done anything of the sorts since transitioning. Not really anyway.


well, he's certainly done a good job of making people rage


That's just his godgiven ability to win while playing as the currently overpowered race
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 01 2013 14:10 GMT
#1602
Booooring
Terran & Potato Salad.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 14:12:03
March 01 2013 14:11 GMT
#1603
On March 01 2013 22:48 Assirra wrote:
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On March 01 2013 22:42 Serelitz wrote:
On March 01 2013 22:40 Kabras wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:58 xNebulous wrote:
Just when i thought TaeJa/Liquid fanboys couldn't get anymore obnoxious...


This. Taeja plays better and wins game 1 => omfg taeja so gosu, gogo finals, win gsl, no balance whine or shit talk. RorO outplays him 4 games in a row => all in/cheese, zerg imba, fuck blizzard, lings of liberty, ban him for bm macro hatches and ultras dance. At the very least give RorO credit for playing better than Taeja in this series if nothing else.


Lots of whining but I don't think I've seen a single person claim that Taeja was the better player in that series.

No, they claim Roro was worse and he only won because of zerg instead


No it's NOT roro so stop saying it is. Look at my history and you will see that I followed BW right up to the end of its televised life. I'm not a roro fan but I'd pick him over taeja simply because he's more familiar. That said, the problem lies with zerg and not the player. IDGAF who the zerg player is. ZvZ is horrible. PvP is slightly less horrible. At least TvT has some promise of being epic.

I doubt that anyone thinks that taeja was the better player tonight. But the statistics speak for themselves. What else would happen when you allow a race to power drones to 60 on 3 bases for free, or force his opponent to all-in to try and stop that? It's a combination of the queen buff and map changes. It stinks.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1144 Posts
March 01 2013 14:16 GMT
#1604
the only terran who stood a chance of winning vs these zergs is Gumiho
scsnow
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia515 Posts
March 01 2013 14:18 GMT
#1605
Look at top TLPD on the right and tell me Z isnt imba.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
March 01 2013 14:19 GMT
#1606
All right. ZvZ here I come....
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Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
March 01 2013 14:21 GMT
#1607
Is this jail cause there are a lot of sore butts in here
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Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
March 01 2013 14:27 GMT
#1608
On March 01 2013 23:11 shadymmj wrote:
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On March 01 2013 22:48 Assirra wrote:
On March 01 2013 22:42 Serelitz wrote:
On March 01 2013 22:40 Kabras wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:58 xNebulous wrote:
Just when i thought TaeJa/Liquid fanboys couldn't get anymore obnoxious...


This. Taeja plays better and wins game 1 => omfg taeja so gosu, gogo finals, win gsl, no balance whine or shit talk. RorO outplays him 4 games in a row => all in/cheese, zerg imba, fuck blizzard, lings of liberty, ban him for bm macro hatches and ultras dance. At the very least give RorO credit for playing better than Taeja in this series if nothing else.


Lots of whining but I don't think I've seen a single person claim that Taeja was the better player in that series.

No, they claim Roro was worse and he only won because of zerg instead


No it's NOT roro so stop saying it is. Look at my history and you will see that I followed BW right up to the end of its televised life. I'm not a roro fan but I'd pick him over taeja simply because he's more familiar. That said, the problem lies with zerg and not the player. IDGAF who the zerg player is. ZvZ is horrible. PvP is slightly less horrible. At least TvT has some promise of being epic.

I doubt that anyone thinks that taeja was the better player tonight. But the statistics speak for themselves. What else would happen when you allow a race to power drones to 60 on 3 bases for free, or force his opponent to all-in to try and stop that? It's a combination of the queen buff and map changes. It stinks.


I think the fact that Zerg wins against Terran if Terran doesn't bother to harass and tries to outmacro zerg is established since WoL beta. It just doesn't work unless the zerg player is way inferior. I know MVP likes to start with 3 base but then he does 3 simultaneous drops, while microing the main push and expands to 4th and 5th behind it. At least he did that before his wrists started giving him troubles. If you can't pull off such APM, don't deliberately go straight into the late game vs zerg...
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
March 01 2013 14:29 GMT
#1609
On March 01 2013 21:33 Assirra wrote:
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On March 01 2013 21:32 keglu wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:20 negativedge wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:09 liberate71 wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:07 negativedge wrote:
Let me be straight with you.

People dont have problems with Zergs winning.
People have problems with that ANY Zerg making it into Code S is a potenial candidate to win.

If One, Two or Three Zergs had shown amazing play and dominated code S for season after season after season this discussion would not excist.

You, however, seem to be blind for the fact that it seems like any top-level Z is a candidate to win Code S which is what is boring.

Had Life played DRG in the third GSL-final in row I had gladly watched and claimed them to be the two best players in the world. During the last 3 finals we have had... 5 diffrent Zerg players in the finals? It just feels random at the moment and that is what makes it sad to watch. Not especially that it is ZvZ, but that there is always new ZvZ without any signs of domination.


So exactly what I said, then.

And just in case you didn't notice, there are dominant Zerg players. Life, DRG, Leenock, and Symbol have been dominant players. Other players are good enough to beat those guys, whereas other players in GomTvT were not good enough to beat MVP et. al. So you are complaining that players are better now than they were in 2011. That's a terrible argument.


At least we've realised how you're missing the point. You're assuming the variety is due to a "larger pool of skilled players" yet all the variety falls on one race?

As mentioned earlier - the Terran skill cap was very high, and as such, a minority could compete at that level. thats not the same case here.


3) Zerg dominance now is not on the same level as Terran dominance used to be.



Based on what?

Based on numbers, this is the first season that there been more zergs then terran in code S.
Yet how much seasons we had terran completely dominating code S? GSL october 2011, 20 terrans...



Thats great, yet somehow Zerg will end with more GSL titles. So Terran had more players participating in CODE S but i dont think the had better winrates than Zerg in last 3 GSL.

BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 01 2013 14:30 GMT
#1610
aww was hoping Taeja would take it but I guess it can't be helped. His wrist and then playing roro who's been on fire lately. At least he put up a fight
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
March 01 2013 14:31 GMT
#1611
On March 01 2013 21:27 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 21:22 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:09 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 01 2013 21:04 negativedge wrote:
[Sure you have your "big 4" with Symbol, DRG, Life and Leenock - but otherwise there are plenty of other Zergs who could potentially make it through to semis that noone would have thought.


That's a good thing. It means the game is more competitive. It means there are more skilled players around. You knew who the best Terrans were in the middle of 2011 because people like Ensare, Bitbybit, et. al were still around. The top players were much better because the other players weren't any good. Now everyone in Code S is a gosu. How terrible!


Yeah... Symbol and Roro both have some dreadfully embarrassing showings in recent history:

Symbol v Curious death animation, Symbol v Snute, Roro v Bear, etc...

They aren't BitByBit, and I actually like Symbol a lot, but they don't have that Life, DRG, Rain, MC, Mvp, MKP, Taeja, etc vibe about them. So, don't pretend you can take the high ground and that everyone else is stupid. It's just not black and white right now.


Please don't put Taeja in that list...the only thing he has for him is that he's from TL(which means a lot in this site).


You weren't around when Taeja was destroying Code S players on Korean weeklys, destroying faces after being signed by the best non-Korean SC talent scout, then carrying an entire team on his shoulders on more than a few occasions, huh...


I was around when he did this, but any other players did the same(life, Hyun, jjakji at some point etc).
All i'm saying is that he should't have put Taeja with the big dogs like DRG, Nestea, MKP, MVP, MC, Rain, Life, Parting... because they are on a whole differnet league.
Boanerges
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland156 Posts
March 01 2013 14:33 GMT
#1612
Geoff speaks the truth in SotG:
Watch at 9:20 . Artosis and Moonglade going in the same direction. There is no Terran at the Show and they all agree that Zerg was ridiculous at the end of WoL. Thats why i give Zerg players these days way less credit. DRG, Nestea and even Life earned it. But these guys.. nope.
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
March 01 2013 14:37 GMT
#1613
Last WoL GSL to KESPA, it has begun
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
MyFirstProbe
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands294 Posts
March 01 2013 14:40 GMT
#1614
On March 01 2013 23:33 Boanerges wrote:
Geoff speaks the truth in SotG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBy1uzxMEK0 Watch at 9:20 . Artosis and Moonglade going in the same direction. There is no Terran at the Show and they all agree that Zerg was ridiculous at the end of WoL. Thats why i give Zerg players these days way less credit. DRG, Nestea and even Life earned it. But these guys.. nope.


But Roro didn't even use the "imba" Brood lord-infestor composition. Yeah, he did it in one game, but he lost that one. The rest were strategies from before the "rise of the patchzergs".
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 01 2013 14:40 GMT
#1615
On March 01 2013 23:16 SHODAN wrote:
the only terran who stood a chance of winning vs these zergs is Gumiho

Gumiho can do well. Apparently RorO's style of play doesnt match up the best vs MarineKing seeing as MKP is the only terran to beat him this season. MKP was also played Symbol close as well as beating both Sniper and HyuN in Season 5. For as much shit as he's gotten for his TvZ, he's done fairly well vs the last 4 Code S finalists in their respective seasons.
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Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
March 01 2013 14:41 GMT
#1616
khan is lame af but i've always had a soft spot for roro so i am happy
plus it's always good to see a real progamer in the finals
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 01 2013 14:46 GMT
#1617
On March 01 2013 23:41 cam connor wrote:
khan is lame af but i've always had a soft spot for roro so i am happy
plus it's always good to see a real progamer in the finals

What does that last sentence even means?
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
March 01 2013 14:50 GMT
#1618
I am so happy for Roro. He was one of my favorite Zergs in BW even before he switched to Khan.

But yeah, on the Zerg imba discussion, you can hardly deny that it is true. GSL has turned into mono Zerg territory, most other recent tourneys were dominated by Zerg, top 6 Koreans by ELO are Zerg. I guess HotS on the way means that the overdue balance patch won't be done anymore which feels lazy and ignorant by those responsible for balance.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 01 2013 14:50 GMT
#1619
On March 01 2013 23:46 Assirra wrote:
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On March 01 2013 23:41 cam connor wrote:
khan is lame af but i've always had a soft spot for roro so i am happy
plus it's always good to see a real progamer in the finals

What does that last sentence even means?

trying to see if people still bite on calling esf players amateurs
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
March 01 2013 14:54 GMT
#1620
On March 01 2013 23:40 MyFirstProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 23:33 Boanerges wrote:
Geoff speaks the truth in SotG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBy1uzxMEK0 Watch at 9:20 . Artosis and Moonglade going in the same direction. There is no Terran at the Show and they all agree that Zerg was ridiculous at the end of WoL. Thats why i give Zerg players these days way less credit. DRG, Nestea and even Life earned it. But these guys.. nope.


But Roro didn't even use the "imba" Brood lord-infestor composition. Yeah, he did it in one game, but he lost that one. The rest were strategies from before the "rise of the patchzergs".

So he didn't have ferrarilords and buffed queens?

BL/Festor is only one side of the problem. Not that I say Taeja played awesome this day. esp. the last games he gave in way too easy. But the first two he showed why he came this far.
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