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On February 17 2013 16:23 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:22 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:20 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:10 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:07 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:59 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:58 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:56 bo1b wrote:
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"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression? Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude... He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol. He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build. Yes, that is defending by definition. He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off. What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG Dude, chill. Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen? Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg. No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL. How was it shown by jks? You still haven't explained yet. He defended the reapers. BTW, why did you cut out the beginning conversation? OK, I´m done.
Because I had quoted you before you put it in?
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On February 17 2013 16:26 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:23 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:22 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:20 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:10 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:07 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:59 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:58 iSunrise wrote:
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Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude... He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol. He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build. Yes, that is defending by definition. He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off. What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG Dude, chill. Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen? Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg. No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL. How was it shown by jks? You still haven't explained yet. He defended the reapers. BTW, why did you cut out the beginning conversation? OK, I´m done. Because I had quoted you before you put it in?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:24 bo1b wrote:
Losing 7 workers and having to dramatically over make zerglings isn't defending lol.
he lost 3 drones and mining time in the first wave of 3 reapers + bunker + SCV
the other four were from the follow-up, by which time JKS had already counterattacked and taken out multiple SCVs
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United States97276 Posts
You guys should just take it to PMs since it's just you 2 arguing
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On February 17 2013 16:06 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. they've done a lot more than JKS has
Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:29 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:06 opterown wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. they've done a lot more than JKS has Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL.
prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p which counts for something, at least
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On February 17 2013 16:28 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:24 bo1b wrote:
Losing 7 workers and having to dramatically over make zerglings isn't defending lol. he lost 3 drones and mining time in the first wave of 3 reapers + bunker + SCV the other four were from the follow-up, by which time JKS had already counterattacked and taken out multiple SCVs
Exactly.
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On February 17 2013 16:28 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:24 bo1b wrote:
Losing 7 workers and having to dramatically over make zerglings isn't defending lol. he lost 3 drones and mining time in the first wave of 3 reapers + bunker + SCV the other four were from the follow-up, by which time JKS had already counterattacked and taken out multiple SCVs
And I'm arguing that the counterattack should never have happened. W/e this is pointless.
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On February 17 2013 16:29 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:29 HolyArrow wrote:On February 17 2013 16:06 opterown wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. they've done a lot more than JKS has Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL. prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p
Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more. In the end, JKS won in the booth, and since that's what we typically use to judge players instead of ladder rankings in WoL, I see no reason to change that standard in HotS.
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United States97276 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:33 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:29 opterown wrote:On February 17 2013 16:29 HolyArrow wrote:On February 17 2013 16:06 opterown wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. they've done a lot more than JKS has Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL. prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more.
People have been looking at the ladder more for these games because there really isn't anything else public to show for HoTS skill
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On February 17 2013 16:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:33 HolyArrow wrote:On February 17 2013 16:29 opterown wrote:On February 17 2013 16:29 HolyArrow wrote:On February 17 2013 16:06 opterown wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. they've done a lot more than JKS has Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL. prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more. People have been looking at the ladder more for these games because there really isn't anything else public to show for HoTS skill
Yeah, that makes sense, but now we've just seen a public tournament setting in which JKS beat Maru and Byun.
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United States97276 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:35 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On February 17 2013 16:33 HolyArrow wrote:On February 17 2013 16:29 opterown wrote:On February 17 2013 16:29 HolyArrow wrote:On February 17 2013 16:06 opterown wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. they've done a lot more than JKS has Not in HotS. The accomplishments of players in WoL don't really mean as much as people think they do at the very beginning of HotS, since it's all the B-teamers who have been focusing on HotS while all the well known A-teamers were still playing WoL. prime has the top 3 positions on the ladder atm :p Since when did ladder mean anything? >_> It can be an indicator of who's good (obviously, you have to be damn good to get to the top of Korea GM), but when you say "they've done a lot more than JKS has", the only thing that they've done "more" than JKS in HotS is get top ladder spots, and for all we know, Prime's practice regimen is a lot more ladder-heavy than FXO's, the latter of which may emphasize in-house games a lot more. People have been looking at the ladder more for these games because there really isn't anything else public to show for HoTS skill Yeah, that makes sense, but now we've just seen a public tournament setting in which JKS beat Maru and Byun.
Yeah. I think it's just that the original comments can be interpreted in 2 ways, before the game and after the game. Before the game you would thin that Maru and ByuN were the more accomplished and some of the better HoTS Terrans because you only have the ladder to look at. If you look at the comments after the game we see that JKS has beaten both so in HoTS professional matches he is more accomplished. Oh well. Doesn't really matter now because the games are over.
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Wow, VODs are already up. Great job GOM!
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On February 17 2013 16:41 iSunrise wrote:
Wow, VODs are already up. Great job GOM!
yay for Vods. too bad neither mkp or byun bothered to scout, otherwise there would have been more exciting games.
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On February 17 2013 16:24 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:23 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:22 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:20 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:10 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:07 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:59 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:58 iSunrise wrote:
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Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude... He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol. He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build. Yes, that is defending by definition. He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off. What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG Dude, chill. Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen? Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg. No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL. How was it shown by jks? You still haven't explained yet. He defended the reapers. Losing 7 workers and having to dramatically over make zerglings isn't defending lol.
so you're complaining you would have to lose 7 workers and make zerglings when the player went for an early hatch (greedy) and later pool (even more greedy) .... against a build that CUT lots of scvs by building the rax at 8 instead of 12?
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France12956 Posts
Lol Choya winning games? Thankfully it's still the beta. Funny also that everyone is claiming zerg is shit vs T but they are still winning. I gotta try HotS someday to understand better.
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So... I was watching the VODs... In the middle of the games I took a screenshot... Then I saw the result.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6Ht8gfz.png)
Also what happened to MKP? He scouted every game he played... Wut.
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uh.....unexpected results.
Choya taking out MKP is a bit embarassing ^^
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United Kingdom12042 Posts
Just watched game 2. Choya punished MKP for being super greedy so nicely.
MKP was dead when he added on those addons at the worst possible time.
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