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On February 17 2013 16:06 Mattumsfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:04 monkh wrote:bit disappointed in HOTS GSTL tournaments lack of macro games  This is much better then rushing to brood/infestor every game. We have seen enough macro games in WOL.
Macro games don't happen for another 2-3 months.
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Actually your all correct, letting slow zerglings run across your map twice without walling off to kill your harvester line is an example of good play, and a baneling bust is clearly a sign of zerg being strong.
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Respect to JKS for taking games off of Maru and Byun!
Well, fairly enjoyable GSTL tonight. Funny how both nights ended on a WoL game!
And remember guys, this is still a tournament with monetary winnings. In the end, "win at all costs" is the name of the game. HotS stuff is icing on the cake. We have seen some really cool HotS stuff already both today and yesterday, and you have to accept that quite a few games will still look like WoL games, especially in the early scene. That's just how it's gonna go down for now.
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On February 17 2013 16:04 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Look at all these people underestimating FXO once again. One day people will realize there is a reason they have won twice in a row.
Poll: Head?Prime (29) 56% FXOpen (23) 44% 52 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): Prime
(Vote): FXOpen
not many people underestimated them, the poll was pretty even as far as polls go
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On February 17 2013 16:11 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:09 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. Lol, this is a joke. JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round. ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs). Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted.
I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
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On February 17 2013 16:08 opterown wrote:
I don't really mind too much that Prime lost but I was hoping for a bit more from the top 3 ranked players on ladder haha
After that MKP defeat and the great play from JKS I think that in a BO7 it was OK. Could have been even worse for Prime.
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On February 17 2013 16:09 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. Lol, this is a joke. JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round. ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs).
1. They were better in WoL, this is different
2. Maybe the prime guys should start scouting again? Stupidly greedy openings without scouting as they are used to in WoL but get punished for in HotS.
You look at the result, not on how the players played. The Prime terrans played awful and died to unscouted allins
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On February 17 2013 16:13 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:04 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Look at all these people underestimating FXO once again. One day people will realize there is a reason they have won twice in a row. + Show Spoiler +Poll: Head?Prime (29) 56% FXOpen (23) 44% 52 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): Prime
(Vote): FXOpen
not many people underestimated them, the poll was pretty even as far as polls go
Gom poll was close too. FXO got 47% of the vote
On February 17 2013 16:13 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:11 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:09 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. Lol, this is a joke. JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round. ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs). Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted. I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
I didn't actually see it either hahaha I was just going by what people were saying here.
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On February 17 2013 16:13 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:11 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:09 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. Lol, this is a joke. JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round. ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs). Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted. I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
He went 14cc against a baneling bust lol.
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Byun watches MKP get greedy and forgo scouting vs Choya and lose.
Then does the exact same thing to lose to JKS. Gonna be a long season for Prime at this rate.
I'm not good enough to put an opinion in on balance whine but FXO looked good and more up to date on HoTS
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On February 17 2013 16:13 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:11 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:09 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. Lol, this is a joke. JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round. ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs). Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted. I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
It's greedy as fuck if you find out your zerg opponent doesn't have an expo. And Byun did not scout that. Everything in relativity.
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Azubu vs FXO? I'm kinda split on who I want to cheer for!
Looking forward to NSHoseo vs MVP!
+ Show Spoiler [MLG Winter Showdown spoiler] +Jjakji kicked ass on the livestream of the MLG match. I think NSHoseo has a good shot at taking out MVP
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On February 17 2013 16:12 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:04 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Look at all these people underestimating FXO once again. One day people will realize there is a reason they have won twice in a row. This. After they won the first one, I stopped underestimating them. They really do care about team league and are arguably the best at it in this format.
Eventually people will learn that choya is the best coach (at least on esf)
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Prime players' greediness reminds me of Flash's 14 CC every game days several years ago. It's really painful to watch.
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On February 17 2013 16:13 Lunchador wrote:
Respect to JKS for taking games off of Maru and Byun!
Well, fairly enjoyable GSTL tonight. Funny how both nights ended on a WoL game!
And remember guys, this is still a tournament with monetary winnings. In the end, "win at all costs" is the name of the game. HotS stuff is icing on the cake. We have seen some really cool HotS stuff already both today and yesterday, and you have to accept that quite a few games will still look like WoL games, especially in the early scene. That's just how it's gonna go down for now.
I loved it. I still have some issues with that hellbat unit, it just doesn´t seem to fit in the game, but otherwise I love the new Protoss abilities/units. Also, we haven´t even seen any zerg going late in GSTL, yet. We have barely seen anything in this GSTL. I like it a lot more than WoL beta/Open Season. WoL Open Season was just disgusting to watch at times.
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On February 17 2013 16:13 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:11 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:09 SniXSniPe wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 TommyP wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 Havik_ wrote:
"Zerg is the weakest race in hots."
Zerg beats some of the best Terrans in the game. To be fair, Maru and Byun aren't some of the best Terrans in the game. Lol, this is a joke. JKS has been in Code A like what, one time? And he got eliminated in the first round. ByuN and Maru have both been Code S, with Byun finishing top 4 two times, and Maru and ByuN are both in Code A right now (with ByuN vs Gumiho determining who goes directly to Code S and who goes directly to up and downs). Yea but it doesnt matter when you don't wall off or in Byun's case play super greedy and not scout and get baneling busted. I didn't see the opening but I'm assuming ByuN went 1 rax expand into 2 gas. That is not a "super greedy" build at all (unless he did 3x CC and I missed it?), that's about as standard as a 15 Hatch.
standard in wol is still greedy in hots pros really should know this.
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On February 17 2013 16:10 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:07 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:59 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:58 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:56 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:55 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:52 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:50 iSunrise wrote:
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Seems that I played it a lot more than you have. At least I know how to defend that.
So you´re saying JKS was lucky, yes? That´s pretty bad manner. Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh. You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle. "So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression? Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude... He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol. He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build. Yes, that is defending by definition. He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off. What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG Dude, chill. Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen? Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg.
No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL.
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On February 17 2013 16:20 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:10 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:07 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:59 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:58 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:56 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:55 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:52 bo1b wrote:
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Id say that having 0 units at home to defend with no wall off would be a pretty lucky thing to see yeh. You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle. "So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression? Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude... He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol. He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build. Yes, that is defending by definition. He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off. What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG Dude, chill. Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen? Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg. No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL.
How was it shown by jks? You still haven't explained yet.
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On February 17 2013 16:22 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:20 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:10 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:07 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:59 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:58 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:56 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:55 iSunrise wrote:
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You must be confused. We are talking about the beginning aggression with reapers and not the end battle. "So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression? Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude... He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol. He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build. Yes, that is defending by definition. He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off. What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG Dude, chill. Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen? Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg. No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL. How was it shown by jks? You still haven't explained yet.
He defended the reapers. BTW, why did you cut out the beginning conversation? OK, I´m done.
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On February 17 2013 16:23 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 16:22 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:20 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:10 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:07 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 16:05 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 16:04 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:59 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2013 15:58 iSunrise wrote:On February 17 2013 15:56 bo1b wrote:
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"So your saying JKS was lucky" in what way does that refer to the beginning aggression? Because he defended the reapers with a very late pool and very late zerglings? Dude... He lost 7 harvesters thats not defending lol. He was ahead in bases and workers after that. He even killed Maru for investing so much money and time into that reapers build. Yes, that is defending by definition. He was ahead in workers because maru didn't wall off. What does the wall off have to do with my argument that he defended the reapers. OMG Dude, chill. Your evidence for that claim is that he had more workers? If he didn't suicide 9 workers by not building some depots that wouldn't happen? Jesus I play terran and its retarded how strong reapers/widowmines/hellbats are against zerg. No, my evidence is that the new reapers add to the game and can be defended, as shown by JKS. And I like it more than in WoL. How was it shown by jks? You still haven't explained yet. He defended the reapers.
Losing 7 workers and having to dramatically over make zerglings isn't defending lol.
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