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On February 01 2013 19:09 Zelniq wrote:
The amount of ignorant degrading comments for stephano after his loss to probably the toughest opponent possible for him in the GSL is just disgusting and unwarranted. Maybe part of it comes from all of this racial imbalance feeling... but couldn't you see how far apart Bogus set himself apart from other terrans in game 1?
Well stephano refused to get any defense vs drops, would he have done that i think he would have won.
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GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro32 Group H  Hack vs  DongRaeGu Game 1 Map: Cloud Kingdom
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Hack spawns in the top right
DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom left
Sorry I'm having a multitude of internet problems today
First 5 minutes: Hack is on 2 base with a 3rd CC building
DRG still on 2 base
Hack getting a reactored factory
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On February 01 2013 19:11 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:11 DaCruise wrote:On February 01 2013 19:09 Corrosive wrote:@EGStephanoRC
I am thinking way too much. I should just have done what i planned to do without doing too much metagame. I thought hed think id go roach 1-1 He shouldnt write twitter updates between the most important games of his career....... it's only like a $500 prize money dif between Ro32 and Ro16
$500 + the entire foreign pride.
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I didn't see many posts against Steph after that. HuK hate was much, much worse.
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On February 01 2013 19:12 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:06 TriZ wrote:
DRG vs Hack
Hack may be able to take this, although DRG must've trained alot.
Hack defeated DRG in the Ro24 of Code A to qualify for this Code S Season.
If Hack wins, Stephano will face DRG in the Loser's Match and this might end up like the faceroll at Iron Squid II.
I'm hoping DRG takes this and Stephano rematches Innovation and does alot better.. That was Noblesse who beat DRG in ro24. DRG beat Hack 2 days ago at the semi finals of IPL6 International qualifiers 2-0.
Like I noted above, the entry on Hack's Liquipage stated that he defeated DRG in the Ro24 of Code A.
This is wrong.
When looking at the brackets of Ro24 of Code A it's clear he beat Jeadong and Noblesse beat DRG.
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On February 01 2013 19:12 Lasbike wrote:
Oh stephano, when you start thinking that someone might think that you think something, you're fucked.
Nestea wins all the time because he does that.
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On February 01 2013 19:09 Zelniq wrote:
The amount of ignorant degrading comments for stephano after his loss to probably the toughest opponent possible for him in the GSL is just disgusting and unwarranted. Maybe part of it comes from all of this racial imbalance feeling... but couldn't you see how far apart Bogus set himself apart from other terrans in game 1?
It's unwarranted yes.
But why do you say Bogus is the toughest opponent for him? o-O Game 1 was awesome yes... but think about the other players in Code S.
I would imagine, Soulkey, Life, Leenock, and DRG would be harder.
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On February 01 2013 19:09 Zelniq wrote:
The amount of ignorant degrading comments for stephano after his loss to probably the toughest opponent possible for him in the GSL is just disgusting and unwarranted. Maybe part of it comes from all of this racial imbalance feeling... but couldn't you see how far apart Bogus set himself apart from other terrans in game 1?
It seemed like it, but to be honest Stephano could've seen most of the drops much earlier with basic overlord placement. Bogus did lose pretty much every fight and only his drops set him in a good position. What if the drops failed like they do usually? It's speculation but i feel like it wasn't only Bogus who played good but also Stephano doing some mistakes, which made Bogus look godlike.
Also, i think most Zergs would've been harder opponents for Stephano. He's not doing very well in ZvZ lately.
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On February 01 2013 19:11 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:10 totauksz wrote:On February 01 2013 19:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:06 totauksz wrote:On February 01 2013 19:02 Vertigro wrote:
im not the only one that thinks that stephano is genuinely nervous about this? he's normally so unphased by things but let's be realistic, he knows that GSL isn't a tournament that play's to his strengths, he knows the community are going to judge him incredibly heavily on his performance and as a result, he knows the significance of these games are pretty much the biggest of his career...
so cut the guy some slack, any zerg in the world can literally drop a series in Code S 0-2 but i guarantee they won't face the judgement stephano would :/ ok game 1 he got outplayed, game 2 he got hit by unscouted cheese, this happens literally to every player, DRG got raped by Flash's tank only build, Taeja got owned by Rain's storm drops, Rain got raped by leenock's cheese etc etc. world's best players get "bopped" like this every week, but since it's the best foreigner now, the thread is full of retardation, it's kind of expected lol barracks expand is now considered cheese xD It's called a timing attack smart one. double factory blue flame helion hiding the helions? yeah he could have scouted better. but this is the same cheesy strat as a zerg losing to 2 stargate, or anyone losing to dark templar due to lack of detection, etc. it it gets scouted ur in a bad position, if it doesn't, you auto win. it's by no means domination So anything that isn't the norm is cheese now? It's called a timing attack. People did them all the time in BW. 2 Proxy Rax is cheese. 4 Pool is cheese. Barracks + Expand into 3 Factory is not cheese. It's a timing attack.
i'm not saying it's not a legit win, ofc it is. but it isn't a real showcase of skill. think how much outplayed you feel when you die to a hidden tech you have no counter against... everybody defines cheese a little differently, for me 2-3 factory blue flame helion is cheesy
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On February 01 2013 19:12 DaCruise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:11 Waxangel wrote:On February 01 2013 19:11 DaCruise wrote:On February 01 2013 19:09 Corrosive wrote:@EGStephanoRC
I am thinking way too much. I should just have done what i planned to do without doing too much metagame. I thought hed think id go roach 1-1 He shouldnt write twitter updates between the most important games of his career....... it's only like a $500 prize money dif between Ro32 and Ro16 $500 + the entire foreign pride.
Which is like what, 15$? :D
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On February 01 2013 19:05 Fionn wrote:Poll: Who would you trust with your life on the line?Bomber (39) 60% MKP (26) 40% 65 total votes Your vote: Who would you trust with your life on the line? (Vote): Bomber
(Vote): MKP
The only one I will trust with my life is  Life
That kid has nerves of steel, and pressure seems to only make him play better.
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I'm wondering, how much extra hellion did the third factory gives in total, I think the reaction from stephano was pretty decent actually, I guess it might have been enough to defend the 2 factory BFH build, clever (but risky build, because stephano often goes for 1-1 roach) from Bogus.
EGStephano @EGStephanoRC
I am thinking way too much. I should just have done what i planned to do without doing too much metagame. I thought hed think id go roach 1-1
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On February 01 2013 19:10 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:all of the fan favorites in this group are Zerg, there's going to be no one to ban for balance whining  Everyone knows Terrans are favoured heavily in most matchups right now, not much Stephano could do to best the inherent advantage Innovation had. 
Yeah and everyone knows Bogus is just a patch terran definitely didn't deserve the win. + Show Spoiler +
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On February 01 2013 19:12 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:10 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 19:08 dynwar7 wrote:
Thanks guys
Anyone have/remember the BO by innovation? Did he do 1 rax FE first? Yes. It is the standard 1 rax FE into 2 fac quad hellions. He also skipped the bunker. I think it straight up dies to a 7-8 roach rush. 3 fact.
Well, it was 2 fac quad hellions into 3 fac blue flame.
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On February 01 2013 19:12 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:11 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:10 totauksz wrote:On February 01 2013 19:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:06 totauksz wrote:On February 01 2013 19:02 Vertigro wrote:
im not the only one that thinks that stephano is genuinely nervous about this? he's normally so unphased by things but let's be realistic, he knows that GSL isn't a tournament that play's to his strengths, he knows the community are going to judge him incredibly heavily on his performance and as a result, he knows the significance of these games are pretty much the biggest of his career...
so cut the guy some slack, any zerg in the world can literally drop a series in Code S 0-2 but i guarantee they won't face the judgement stephano would :/ ok game 1 he got outplayed, game 2 he got hit by unscouted cheese, this happens literally to every player, DRG got raped by Flash's tank only build, Taeja got owned by Rain's storm drops, Rain got raped by leenock's cheese etc etc. world's best players get "bopped" like this every week, but since it's the best foreigner now, the thread is full of retardation, it's kind of expected lol barracks expand is now considered cheese xD It's called a timing attack smart one. double factory blue flame helion hiding the helions? yeah he could have scouted better. but this is the same cheesy strat as a zerg losing to 2 stargate, or anyone losing to dark templar due to lack of detection, etc. it it gets scouted ur in a bad position, if it doesn't, you auto win. it's by no means domination So anything that isn't the norm is cheese now? It's called a timing attack. People did them all the time in BW. 2 Proxy Rax is cheese. 4 Pool is cheese. Barracks + Expand into 3 Factory is not cheese. It's a timing attack. Both 2 and 3 Fact BFH are 100% cheese, no idea what you're talking about.
You can transition out of 2 fact BF hellions. Stop speaking when you have no clue.
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i hope stephano isnt checking this thread after that match..it might affect his mindset a little to see those flamebait comments
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On February 01 2013 19:12 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:11 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:10 totauksz wrote:On February 01 2013 19:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:06 totauksz wrote:On February 01 2013 19:02 Vertigro wrote:
im not the only one that thinks that stephano is genuinely nervous about this? he's normally so unphased by things but let's be realistic, he knows that GSL isn't a tournament that play's to his strengths, he knows the community are going to judge him incredibly heavily on his performance and as a result, he knows the significance of these games are pretty much the biggest of his career...
so cut the guy some slack, any zerg in the world can literally drop a series in Code S 0-2 but i guarantee they won't face the judgement stephano would :/ ok game 1 he got outplayed, game 2 he got hit by unscouted cheese, this happens literally to every player, DRG got raped by Flash's tank only build, Taeja got owned by Rain's storm drops, Rain got raped by leenock's cheese etc etc. world's best players get "bopped" like this every week, but since it's the best foreigner now, the thread is full of retardation, it's kind of expected lol barracks expand is now considered cheese xD It's called a timing attack smart one. double factory blue flame helion hiding the helions? yeah he could have scouted better. but this is the same cheesy strat as a zerg losing to 2 stargate, or anyone losing to dark templar due to lack of detection, etc. it it gets scouted ur in a bad position, if it doesn't, you auto win. it's by no means domination So anything that isn't the norm is cheese now? It's called a timing attack. People did them all the time in BW. 2 Proxy Rax is cheese. 4 Pool is cheese. Barracks + Expand into 3 Factory is not cheese. It's a timing attack. Both 2 and 3 Fact BFH are 100% cheese, no idea what you're talking about.
Yeah. that's true as well. At least for 3 fact. If u go 3 fact blue flame hellions. And he goes roaches. Ur fucked. If he holds with queens and spines and transistions into mutas ur fucked as well. Basically ur fucked, except u kill 30 + drones.
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On February 01 2013 19:12 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:11 BlazeFury01 wrote:
double factory blue flame helion hiding the helions? yeah he could have scouted better. but this is the same cheesy strat as a zerg losing to 2 stargate, or anyone losing to dark templar due to lack of detection, etc. it it gets scouted ur in a bad position, if it doesn't, you auto win. it's by no means domination Show nested quote +
So anything that isn't the norm is cheese now? It's called a timing attack. People did them all the time in BW. 2 Proxy Rax is cheese. 4 Pool is cheese. Barracks + Expand into 3 Factory is not cheese. It's a timing attack.
Except 2 rax proxy is a pretty good opener xD
lol this I agree with. xD
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hack using bombers build on cloud, this looks scary strong
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On February 01 2013 19:13 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:12 Douillos wrote:On February 01 2013 19:10 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 19:08 dynwar7 wrote:
Thanks guys
Anyone have/remember the BO by innovation? Did he do 1 rax FE first? Yes. It is the standard 1 rax FE into 2 fac quad hellions. He also skipped the bunker. I think it straight up dies to a 7-8 roach rush. 3 fact. Well, it was 2 fac quad hellions into 3 fac blue flame.
No.
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