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On December 31 2012 13:23 FromShouri wrote: Zenio < Planet S> Sacsri-Sacsri because even though he lost to action he still looks better then Zenio. I expect to see a lot of aggressive baneling/ling/queen/spine crawler wars.  PuMa < Arkanoid> Fantasy-This is a no brainer, Fantasy is one of the hottest players right now, PuMa will try to 2-base all-in only for fantasy to out macro him. TaeJa < Bifrost> JyJ-Again another no brainer, JYJ hasn't looked up to par yet and Taeja is one of the strongest players on TL. Will be a standard macro game where JYJ looks like he has a fighting chance supply wise but gets out maneuvered by Taeja.  JYP < Cloud Kingdom> soO-From what I've seen of Soo's ZvP is that it is decent but there are definitely areas that JYP could take advantage of if he comes out guns blazing. I forsee an immortal/sentry all-in or a 1-base all-in of some time(probably blink stalkers) HerO < Antiga Shipyard> Rain-Rain is SKT1's strongest protoss and one of the best kespa SC2 pros, that said Hero is no slouch either even though he is playing what seems to be his worst match up. I think Hero has a fighting chance in the range of 35% him 65% Rain if Rain slouches. If rain brings his A-game Hero will lose to robo macro play. Jaedong < Tal'Darim Altar> s2-From what Ive seen of Jaedong streaming and his current zvz record, he is as big a beast at zvz in sc2 as he was in brood war. I expect Jaedong to FE with ling/banes/queens and then transition to roach/muta for the win. Ace - TaeJa - Rain-Taeja will be sent out for EG-TL and Rain will be sent out for SKT1, I'd expect to see some sort of harassment expo build from Taeja while Rain goes standard 1-gate expo into 3-base colossi/gateway ball. SKT1 4 > EG-TL 3
dude you almost had it perfect. just switch up 2 of the players and you pretty much called it!
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On December 31 2012 13:23 FromShouri wrote:Zenio < Planet S> Sacsri-Sacsri because even though he lost to action he still looks better then Zenio. I expect to see a lot of aggressive baneling/ling/queen/spine crawler wars. PuMa < Arkanoid> Fantasy-This is a no brainer, Fantasy is one of the hottest players right now, PuMa will try to 2-base all-in only for fantasy to out macro him. TaeJa < Bifrost> JyJ-Again another no brainer, JYJ hasn't looked up to par yet and Taeja is one of the strongest players on TL. Will be a standard macro game where JYJ looks like he has a fighting chance supply wise but gets out maneuvered by Taeja. JYP < Cloud Kingdom> soO-From what I've seen of Soo's ZvP is that it is decent but there are definitely areas that JYP could take advantage of if he comes out guns blazing. I forsee an immortal/sentry all-in or a 1-base all-in of some time(probably blink stalkers) HerO < Antiga Shipyard> Rain-Rain is SKT1's strongest protoss and one of the best kespa SC2 pros, that said Hero is no slouch either even though he is playing what seems to be his worst match up. I think Hero has a fighting chance in the range of 35% him 65% Rain if Rain slouches. If rain brings his A-game Hero will lose to robo macro play. Jaedong < Tal'Darim Altar> s2-From what Ive seen of Jaedong streaming and his current zvz record, he is as big a beast at zvz in sc2 as he was in brood war. I expect Jaedong to FE with ling/banes/queens and then transition to roach/muta for the win. Ace - TaeJa - Rain-Taeja will be sent out for EG-TL and Rain will be sent out for SKT1, I'd expect to see some sort of harassment expo build from Taeja while Rain goes standard 1-gate expo into 3-base colossi/gateway ball. SKT1 4 > EG-TL 3
so crazy that he predicted that!
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End result was so disappointing lol. I mean, I thought either HerO or Jaedong would win and seeing Zenio win the first match and EG-TL being up 3-1 made it seem like they won't lose but somehow HerO, Taeja and Jaedong all lost their matches(or ace match). Given Rain isn't an easy opponent but seeing HerO go for mass colossi while Rain went for mass immortals with some colossi was a GG in my book, not to mention the lack of speed for HerO and his zealots :/ Either way, go EG-TL go!
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I was really thinking Jaedong would bring it home for us in that ZvZ. I mean come on! 
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On January 01 2013 01:26 r1flEx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 13:23 FromShouri wrote:Zenio < Planet S> Sacsri-Sacsri because even though he lost to action he still looks better then Zenio. I expect to see a lot of aggressive baneling/ling/queen/spine crawler wars. PuMa < Arkanoid> Fantasy-This is a no brainer, Fantasy is one of the hottest players right now, PuMa will try to 2-base all-in only for fantasy to out macro him. TaeJa < Bifrost> JyJ-Again another no brainer, JYJ hasn't looked up to par yet and Taeja is one of the strongest players on TL. Will be a standard macro game where JYJ looks like he has a fighting chance supply wise but gets out maneuvered by Taeja. JYP < Cloud Kingdom> soO-From what I've seen of Soo's ZvP is that it is decent but there are definitely areas that JYP could take advantage of if he comes out guns blazing. I forsee an immortal/sentry all-in or a 1-base all-in of some time(probably blink stalkers) HerO < Antiga Shipyard> Rain-Rain is SKT1's strongest protoss and one of the best kespa SC2 pros, that said Hero is no slouch either even though he is playing what seems to be his worst match up. I think Hero has a fighting chance in the range of 35% him 65% Rain if Rain slouches. If rain brings his A-game Hero will lose to robo macro play. Jaedong < Tal'Darim Altar> s2-From what Ive seen of Jaedong streaming and his current zvz record, he is as big a beast at zvz in sc2 as he was in brood war. I expect Jaedong to FE with ling/banes/queens and then transition to roach/muta for the win. Ace - TaeJa - Rain-Taeja will be sent out for EG-TL and Rain will be sent out for SKT1, I'd expect to see some sort of harassment expo build from Taeja while Rain goes standard 1-gate expo into 3-base colossi/gateway ball. SKT1 4 > EG-TL 3 so crazy that he predicted that!
5/7 isnt that crazy as you make it to be
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EGTL really needs to get better at those ace matches. 3 games of the matches they lost they lost in the ace...
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On January 01 2013 02:02 soulist wrote:
EGTL really needs to get better at those ace matches. 3 games of the matches they lost they lost in the ace...
Well the opponent expects Taeja so im sure that most of the other teams study his play
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On January 01 2013 00:47 shid0x wrote:
so there's some people who think stephano cannot beat rain here ?
See ya at Code S bros.
I don't think they'll meet in Code S! 
Thanks, Dream.
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Rain's performance isn't shocking-- he's simply better than Taeja and Hero, but JYP over SOO is a nice upset.
Still, a loss is a loss and these Kespa teams are just going to get better and better. Let's see if they will dominate the all kill rounds like everyone is proclaiming. Personally, I have my doubts. These teams are so deep.
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On January 01 2013 02:12 zeratul_jf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 02:02 soulist wrote:
EGTL really needs to get better at those ace matches. 3 games of the matches they lost they lost in the ace... Well the opponent expects Taeja so im sure that most of the other teams study his play
Yup. Can't really fault either team for their decision though. Realistically EGTL could've sent out Taeja or Hero, Rain prepared for Taeja, but most likely could've out PvPed Hero if necessary. SKT1 could've sent out SOO or Rain (in my opinion. Fantasy too perhaps). Hero's been slumping in PvZ (better recently though), but Taeja's TvZ is still pretty great, and if Rain is out there you want Taeja.
In the end it comes down to the players themselves, Taeja hasn't had much nerve issues in the past (far less than Hero especially), but perhaps it is something he needs to improve upon.
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Just watched the vods
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On January 01 2013 02:40 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 02:12 zeratul_jf wrote:On January 01 2013 02:02 soulist wrote:
EGTL really needs to get better at those ace matches. 3 games of the matches they lost they lost in the ace... Well the opponent expects Taeja so im sure that most of the other teams study his play Yup. Can't really fault either team for their decision though. Realistically EGTL could've sent out Taeja or Hero, Rain prepared for Taeja, but most likely could've out PvPed Hero if necessary. SKT1 could've sent out SOO or Rain (in my opinion. Fantasy too perhaps). Hero's been slumping in PvZ (better recently though), but Taeja's TvZ is still pretty great, and if Rain is out there you want Taeja. In the end it comes down to the players themselves, Taeja hasn't had much nerve issues in the past (far less than Hero especially), but perhaps it is something he needs to improve upon.
You know Rain was 4-0 vs Taeja going into yesterday right? and 3-0 vs Hero. I think JD would have been the best bet.
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Aaawww I suppose it could've been worse
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ugh, why send taeja out against a team with a protoss ace, whyyyy TT
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JYP would have been the best bet. The same reason why he was the best bet against CJ even though it failed. vP JYP is the top choice until stephano shows up. Or until Taeja figures out his opponents beat him in TvP by going for greedy and tech-heavy builds. Go 2 base all-in or pressure before taking third instead of going for third before any agression... at which point it's too late already unless you do tremendous drop damage.
And about puma being terrible... I'm pretty sure it's more of a mental block against these kespa players than his skill level... I mean he was atrocious in the game vs Fantasy and it can't only be because he's on the decline, it was far worse than that. If he plays again, I hope they send him out on one of the non-kespa maps and let him play standard, put him back into something he's used to. Well, that's all I can think of right now.
Anyways, it's not like he'll be needed much in the next format since it'll most likely be best of 7 or best of 9... which means 4 or 5 players per team and EGTL has a lot of depth and great sniping possibilities. I'm pretty sure EGTL players can take out any kespa player if they get to choose the matchup. Taeja vs Flash. Stephano vs Rain. Taeja vs Bogus. Stephano/JYP vs Shy. Smart move... don't start your player with the best chance at taking out the opponent's best player. I'd cry tears of pain if they start Stephano vs SKTT1 for example... snipe stephano, send Rain out, profit.
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damn TL needs a better Zerg to play in ace match. Taeja is too predictable with his macro style. JD isn't good enough yet so hopefully they will ship Stephano over ASAP.
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On January 01 2013 03:29 GTPGlitch wrote:
ugh, why send taeja out against a team with a protoss ace, whyyyy TT
Because not only is he their best player, but has the best chance to beat Rain and Fantasy? Seems like a good reason to me.
Hero, JYP, Puma, Zenio, Jaedong, Thorzain would all have lost, I can say that with confidence.
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On January 01 2013 04:24 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 03:29 GTPGlitch wrote:
ugh, why send taeja out against a team with a protoss ace, whyyyy TT Because not only is he their best player, but has the best chance to beat Rain and Fantasy? Seems like a good reason to me. Hero, JYP, Puma, Zenio, Jaedong, Thorzain would all have lost, I can say that with confidence.
Taeja is now 0-5 vs Rain. It was a poor decision.
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It's well known that Rain's weakest matchup is vs Zerg and from what we've seen of Jaedong's ZvP, EG-TL doesn't have an ace level zerg in the matchup. When it went to the ace match EG-TL pretty much lost
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