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On December 14 2012 20:31 Maluk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:27 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On December 14 2012 20:25 Maluk wrote:
When Fantasy wasn't producing, wasn't he just waiting and trying to figure out if his opponent had broodlords on the field or not ? Maxing out on marines without even thinking about him is what cost him the previous game after all... No. Had he macro'd properly, the push would've ended the game at that moment with reinforcements. Precisely that wouldn't have been the case if RorO made the choice of going full broodlord infestor. 120 marines will not do much more than 80 marines against such a composition, you need something else. Not producing looked stupid because we knew RorO didn't have a good enough composition to nullify the marine count advantage, but from Fantasy's perspective it could've made sense to wait a bit.
Maybe you'd have a point, if he weren't at 140 supply, spent ZERO resources on doing nothing. No production, no upgrades, and several supply blocks.
Yeah, you're giving Fantasy wayyyy too much credit here.
It was terrible macro, plain and simple.
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This didn't do enough damage.
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On December 14 2012 20:31 Talin wrote:
You guys can't honestly think that a progamer, whoever it may be, isn't capable of "macroing" (ie pressing hotkeys occasionally in SC2) to the extent that he would allow his money to accumulate that high.
Christ.
well he is certainly capable, but he weren't able to 
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Ok good read by Roro.. just in time.
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On December 14 2012 20:32 Waxangel wrote:
what's that, 11 hellions for 14 drones?
and now RorO goes "WELL IT WORKED IN G1 /RRRRRRRRRRR"
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On December 14 2012 20:32 Waxangel wrote:
what's that, 11 hellions for 14 drones?
More like 10 drones for 15 hellions for Roro-.
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On December 14 2012 20:31 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:29 Waxangel wrote:
I'm still awaiting our first "that's KeSPA micro for you!" moment of the day DRG vs Soulkey on TDA was sexy, no?
Effort I'm pretty sure, not Soulkey.
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That might have worked if Fantasy bothered dodging the overlords with his hellions.
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On December 14 2012 20:31 Talin wrote:
You guys can't honestly think that a progamer, whoever it may be, isn't capable of "macroing" (ie pressing hotkeys occasionally in SC2) to the extent that he would allow his money to accumulate that high.
Christ.
I honestly don't believe you watch StarCraft II that frequently :o
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On December 14 2012 20:31 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:29 Waxangel wrote:
I'm still awaiting our first "that's KeSPA micro for you!" moment of the day DRG vs Soulkey on TDA was sexy, no?
Drg vs Effort on tda was a prime example of effort almost losing vs an out of breath drg - the game was entertaining I suppose, but an in form drg would have trashed that game.
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On December 14 2012 20:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: GSL S5 Code A Ro24  Fantasy vs  RorO Game 3 Map: Whirlwind 0:00 Fantasy spawns in the top left RorO spawns in the bottom left 1:40 rax first for Fantasy 2:00 Hatch first for RorO gas for RorO pool for RorO 3:00 CC on the low ground for Fantasy double gas for Fantasy 4:00 ling speed for RorO Factory for Fantasy bunker in the natural for Fantasy reactor for Fantasy 5:00 2nd factory for Fantasy reactored hellion production for Fantasy 3rd base for RorO tech lab near 2nd factory on rax
6:00
blue flame research started for Fantasy
triple hellion production for Fantasy
Lair started for RorO
2nd gas for RorO
7:00
overlord scout denied
double evo for RorO
Roach warren for RorO
1-1 for RorO
Starport finishes for Fantasy
8:00
overlord on the map scouts a bunch of hellions coming
Roaches start for RorO
queen and spine try to wall off
Fantasy drives his hellions into the natural and kills all of the lings
Roaches start spawning
9:00
2 hellions get into the main
roaches clean up the hellions
14 drones were killed
siege tank production started for Fantasy
Roaches looking to put pressure on Fantasy
siege mode research started for Fantasy
Roach speed started for RorO
banshee started for Fantasy
10:00
2nd bunker started for Fantasy
infestation pit started for RorO
viking flying around killing overlords
Fantasy pulls his scvs back into his main
banshee comes back and forces roaches off the main ramp
burrow research startedf or ROrO
ebay started for Fantasy
Roaches leave and go home
armory started for Fantasy
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On December 14 2012 20:32 iKill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:31 GolemMadness wrote:On December 14 2012 20:27 HaN- wrote:
I am so annoyed by Khaldor...
His casting is the opposite of exciting, he got this habbit of being negative, detailing what the players are doing wrong, and missing the big picture. Yeah, it's really annoying. Ok, we get it, the players are making some mistakes. Stop going on and on about it in your critical voice. Would you prefer that he tried to sugarcoat it? Personally I hate it when (for example) a caster tries to hype a 30 minute stalemate between 2 players. We get it, it's not exciting, you don't have to try hard to make it exciting.
No, I'd prefer he mention it and then talk about something else, and then maybe mention it again later. Not go on and on about it for two minutes.
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On December 14 2012 20:32 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:29 AxionSteel wrote:On December 14 2012 20:27 whirlpool wrote:
i think the bank is intentional , coz he was afraid the tech switch Nah no way. He was floating like 1.6k in the first 10ish minutes or something. It was bad throughout. Well, that part was definitely intentional as he went up to 75 scvs, which signifies you want to go to the late game. The normal strong 3 base timing only uses 66 scvs, but if that doesnt work you're not going to transition particularly well into the lategame. So unless you believe that overmaking 10 scvs was a mistake, then you got to accept that accumulating a bank was completely intentional, and good for the late game transition.
no, not at all. He wasn't anywhere near maxed, nor was he adding important structures for the late game. He was also supply blocked a bunch of times during this period. It was just poor macro throughout.
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On December 14 2012 20:33 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 20:31 Wintex wrote:On December 14 2012 20:29 Waxangel wrote:
I'm still awaiting our first "that's KeSPA micro for you!" moment of the day DRG vs Soulkey on TDA was sexy, no? Effort I'm pretty sure, not Soulkey.
Yeah, you're right. Sorry for being bad.
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i saw at the game description at 16 minutes: greater spire finished, ultras on the way, fantasy at 160pop with huge bank
then at 17minutes ultras show and fantasy maxes out
and u people all assume that fantasy randomly sucks because khaldor said so
ok then
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And Fantasy with a massive supply block, again.
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Fantasy isn't supply blocked guys, he's just banking for a strategic midgame timing
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what is fantasy doing? not building depots?
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