On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
You still aren't getting it. Violet DIDNT win the "Grand Final". He won the chance to win the "Grand Final" by beating Leenock 3-2 in the first series.
This is like eSports 101...
I get it, I don't like it.
You seemed to of missed the point I made.
Might wanna try - interpersonal skills 101.
No he's right. You still don't get it and are missing the point. You keep saying violet won 3-2 and that we should have a problem with that. You fail to acknowledge that Leenock had yet to lose a series up until that point, while violet already lost to him 3-1 earlier. Therefore, if leenock got eliminated after losing 1 series and being the only player in the entire tournament not to get a second chance, you don't see a problem with that?
If it was single elim, violet would have been eliminated earlier and leenock would have won hours ago.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
You keep speaking in terms of a double elimination - yeah I know how it works , as I said, I dont like it. And I dont think it has the spirit of what a Grand final should be.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
You still aren't getting it. Violet DIDNT win the "Grand Final". He won the chance to win the "Grand Final" by beating Leenock 3-2 in the first series.
This is like eSports 101...
I get it, I don't like it.
You seemed to of missed the point I made.
Might wanna try - interpersonal skills 101.
No he's right. You still don't get it and are missing the point. You keep saying violet won 3-2 and that we should have a problem with that. You fail to acknowledge that Leenock had yet to lose a series up until that point, while violet already lost to him 3-1 earlier. Therefore, if leenock got eliminated after losing 1 series and being the only player in the entire tournament not to get a second chance, you don't see a problem with that?
If it was single elim, violet would have been eliminated earlier and leenock would have won hours ago.
As above, Im not talking in terms of double elim.
Im not saying Leenock doesnt deserve to be champion, Im saying Grand final that include earlier games I dont agree with at all.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
Double elimination is stupid format at the first place.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
You still aren't getting it. Violet DIDNT win the "Grand Final". He won the chance to win the "Grand Final" by beating Leenock 3-2 in the first series.
This is like eSports 101...
I get it, I don't like it.
You seemed to of missed the point I made.
Might wanna try - interpersonal skills 101.
took you 10 posts to get it lol tournament format is fine, agreed that gsl style groups are better but not all tournaments can be run like that, also different formats can make it more interesting.
each tournament is different therefore formats will be different.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
You keep speaking in terms of a double elimination - yeah I know how it works , as I said, I dont like it. And I dont think it has the spirit of what a Grand final should be.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
You still aren't getting it. Violet DIDNT win the "Grand Final". He won the chance to win the "Grand Final" by beating Leenock 3-2 in the first series.
This is like eSports 101...
I get it, I don't like it.
You seemed to of missed the point I made.
Might wanna try - interpersonal skills 101.
No he's right. You still don't get it and are missing the point. You keep saying violet won 3-2 and that we should have a problem with that. You fail to acknowledge that Leenock had yet to lose a series up until that point, while violet already lost to him 3-1 earlier. Therefore, if leenock got eliminated after losing 1 series and being the only player in the entire tournament not to get a second chance, you don't see a problem with that?
If it was single elim, violet would have been eliminated earlier and leenock would have won hours ago.
As above, Im not talking in terms of double elim.
Im not saying Leenock doesnt deserve to be champion, Im saying Grand final that include earlier games I dont agree with at all.
So basically you would just have preferred a single elimination tournament?
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
You still aren't getting it. Violet DIDNT win the "Grand Final". He won the chance to win the "Grand Final" by beating Leenock 3-2 in the first series.
This is like eSports 101...
I get it, I don't like it.
You seemed to of missed the point I made.
Might wanna try - interpersonal skills 101.
took you 10 posts to get it lol tournament format is fine, agreed that gsl style groups are better but not all tournaments can be run like that, also different formats can make it more interesting.
Are you 12 yrs old ?
Thats nice, as I said, any format that includes earlier games in a Grand final I dont agree with, same goes for semi-finals BO3 (should be at least BO5).
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
Double elimination is stupid format at the first place.
Double elimination is possibly the best format to ensure that the best player wins, and I find it much more exciting seeing players make huge runs from an open bracket instead of round robin groups. However as parcelleus said before, the format doesn't lend itself to having a great grand final format.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
You still aren't getting it. Violet DIDNT win the "Grand Final". He won the chance to win the "Grand Final" by beating Leenock 3-2 in the first series.
This is like eSports 101...
I get it, I don't like it.
You seemed to of missed the point I made.
Might wanna try - interpersonal skills 101.
took you 10 posts to get it lol tournament format is fine, agreed that gsl style groups are better but not all tournaments can be run like that, also different formats can make it more interesting.
Are you 12 yrs old ?
Thats nice, as I said, any format that includes earlier games in a Grand final I dont agree with, same goes for semi-finals BO3 (should be at least BO5).
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
You still aren't getting it. Violet DIDNT win the "Grand Final". He won the chance to win the "Grand Final" by beating Leenock 3-2 in the first series.
This is like eSports 101...
I get it, I don't like it.
You seemed to of missed the point I made.
Might wanna try - interpersonal skills 101.
took you 10 posts to get it lol tournament format is fine, agreed that gsl style groups are better but not all tournaments can be run like that, also different formats can make it more interesting.
Are you 12 yrs old ?
Thats nice, as I said, any format that includes earlier games in a Grand final I dont agree with, same goes for semi-finals BO3 (should be at least BO5).
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
Double elimination is stupid format at the first place.
Double elimination is possibly the best format to ensure that the best player wins, and I find it much more exciting seeing players make huge runs from an open bracket instead of round robin groups. However as parcelleus said before, the format doesn't lend itself to having a great grand final format.
Double elimination format prolongs the tournament, damps the excitement in first elimination round, and Bo3 is too short in the second elimination, also not so interesting. Grand final is a mess. Matches are just matches, most of them are not precious and critical, hard to form rivalry. All you remember is a long tournament happened, not some critical matches and series.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
Double elimination is stupid format at the first place.
Double elimination is possibly the best format to ensure that the best player wins, and I find it much more exciting seeing players make huge runs from an open bracket instead of round robin groups. However as parcelleus said before, the format doesn't lend itself to having a great grand final format.
Double elimination format prolongs the tournament, damps the excitement in first elimination round, and Bo3 is too short in the second elimination, also not so interesting. Grand final is a mess. Matches are just matches, most of them are not precious and critical, hard to form rivalry. All you remember is a long tournament happened, not some critical matches.
What?.......
Every single match in a double elimination tournament is precious and critical. 2 series losses and your out.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
Double elimination is stupid format at the first place.
Double elimination is possibly the best format to ensure that the best player wins, and I find it much more exciting seeing players make huge runs from an open bracket instead of round robin groups. However as parcelleus said before, the format doesn't lend itself to having a great grand final format.
Double elimination format prolongs the tournament, damps the excitement in first elimination round, and Bo3 is too short in the second elimination, also not so interesting. Grand final is a mess. Matches are just matches, most of them are not precious and critical, hard to form rivalry. All you remember is a long tournament happened, not some critical matches.
What?.......
Every single match in a double elimination tournament is precious and critical. 2 series losses and your out.
Key word "2"
You can do it in groups, but after at least Ro8, it should be single elimination.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
Double elimination is stupid format at the first place.
Double elimination is possibly the best format to ensure that the best player wins, and I find it much more exciting seeing players make huge runs from an open bracket instead of round robin groups. However as parcelleus said before, the format doesn't lend itself to having a great grand final format.
Double elimination format prolongs the tournament, damps the excitement in first elimination round, and Bo3 is too short in the second elimination, also not so interesting. Grand final is a mess. Matches are just matches, most of them are not precious and critical, hard to form rivalry. All you remember is a long tournament happened, not some critical matches.
What?.......
Every single match in a double elimination tournament is precious and critical. 2 series losses and your out.
Key word "2"
You can do it in groups, but after at least Ro8, it should be single elimination.
are you one of those people who liked the first nasl grand finals? because that was single elim and players who travelled for 16 hours and lost in the first round did not like it too much
As far as this double elim goes. Either the whole tournament has a loser round and it works as is and everyone is happy, or do it like GSL with NO loser bracket so the finals are players meeting for the first time and no second chances. As it went, whether people like it or not, leenock won fair and square by getting the 2nd BO 3. If it wasn't double elimination, Violet would not have even been in the finals because Leenock would have knocked him out earlier 3-1.
On December 03 2012 17:27 Parcelleus wrote: Guaranteed way to piss off your tournament viewers and lower the prestige of a tournament:
Have an Extended-series Grand final and have your semi-finals BO3.
*shakes head in disgust*
violet shows a 3-2 in the Grand Final - and loses the tournament ! lol
Huh it wasn't extended series. It was double elimination. Would be more disgusting if leenock was the only person who never got a second life. If it was single elim, violet would have been out before that point. Still amazing to me how so many people still don't understand how double elimination works. Violet was only in the finals because he got a 2nd chance after already losing to leenock in the winner's finals.
I dont like the format at all - that is my point.
Should be groups , winners and losers bracket to get into groups and top places in the group goto playoffs - then you have a grand final that is played on its own terms - not relying on earlier games.
As I said - violet wins the grand final 3-2 and loses the tournament - you cant see a problem with that ?
When a player performs better in the Grand final - they should win the whole thing. Like BWC, GSL etc.
In a double elimination tournament, there is no problem with that. Leenock deserves the 2nd chance, just like every single player in the tournament got before him.
So in you're format you'd have a single elimination tournament AFTER the group stage?
Double elimination is stupid format at the first place.
Double elimination is possibly the best format to ensure that the best player wins, and I find it much more exciting seeing players make huge runs from an open bracket instead of round robin groups. However as parcelleus said before, the format doesn't lend itself to having a great grand final format.
Double elimination format prolongs the tournament, damps the excitement in first elimination round, and Bo3 is too short in the second elimination, also not so interesting. Grand final is a mess. Matches are just matches, most of them are not precious and critical, hard to form rivalry. All you remember is a long tournament happened, not some critical matches.
What?.......
Every single match in a double elimination tournament is precious and critical. 2 series losses and your out.
Key word "2"
You can do it in groups, but after at least Ro8, it should be single elimination.
are you one of those people who liked the first nasl grand finals? because that was single elim and players who travelled for 16 hours and lost in the first round did not like it too much
Never saw it, can't comment.
But, group stages get at least several BO3 series to play, if you travel for 16 hours, and lost in first round groups, at least you played 3 to 5 BO3 series. That's much more than being eliminated first round in double elimination format with only 2 BO3 series losses, and plenty of people did in this tournament.
EPT
