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Northern Ireland25372 Posts
On December 02 2012 14:30 hootsushi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:27 opterown wrote:On December 02 2012 14:26 Die4Ever wrote:On December 02 2012 14:24 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Someone should run a trophy ceremony tournament. Each round 2 players face off and pretend they just won a giant check and a trophy and whoever is least awkward advances. Winner is seeded into Code S finals and then we get a finals even more 1 sided than NesTea vs Inca, and still get an awkward ceremony because the player who got there based on SC2 skill would win...lol MC, MarineKing, Seed, etc would do pretty well imo it would clearly be a KeeN vs PartinG finals I dunno, MC's murloc suit + his gift for stephano was beyond amazing.
Pointless idea to actually hold a ceremony contest. Firebathero would just straightup win if he was allowed in. If not, his absence would discredit whoever won the thing 
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On December 02 2012 14:34 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:30 lichter wrote:On December 02 2012 14:29 opterown wrote:On December 02 2012 14:25 opterown wrote:Poll: What did you think of the finals?★★★★ (45) 41% ★★★ (35) 32% ★★★★★ (17) 15% ★ (9) 8% ★★ (5) 5% 111 total votes Your vote: What did you think of the finals? (Vote): ★★★★★
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(the only other GSL finals thread i've made) Pretty obvious that was the best finals this year, maybe ever Lets wait for Blizzard cup/GSL Tour Grand Final, with people like MVP/Rain/DRG/Life/Parting and now SNIPER THE LADY KILLER? I believe? Could potentially be a just as epic finals, on the line of MMA vs DRG esque.
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On December 02 2012 14:34 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:30 lichter wrote:On December 02 2012 14:29 opterown wrote:On December 02 2012 14:25 opterown wrote:Poll: What did you think of the finals?★★★★ (45) 41% ★★★ (35) 32% ★★★★★ (17) 15% ★ (9) 8% ★★ (5) 5% 111 total votes Your vote: What did you think of the finals? (Vote): ★★★★★
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for reference: Poll: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall??★★★★★ (431) 84% ★★★★ (47) 9% ★ (16) 3% ★★★ (13) 3% ★★ (6) 1% 513 total votes Your vote: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall?? (Vote): ★★★★★
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(the only other GSL finals thread i've made) Pretty obvious that was the best finals this year, maybe ever Lets wait for Blizzard cup/GSL Tour Grand Final, with people like MVP/Rain/DRG/Life/Parting and now Seed? I believe? Could potentially be a just as epic finals, on the line of MMA vs DRG esque.
sniper not seed
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On December 02 2012 14:33 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:26 Die4Ever wrote:On December 02 2012 14:24 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Someone should run a trophy ceremony tournament. Each round 2 players face off and pretend they just won a giant check and a trophy and whoever is least awkward advances. Winner is seeded into Code S finals and then we get a finals even more 1 sided than NesTea vs Inca, and still get an awkward ceremony because the player who got there based on SC2 skill would win...lol a true champion should be somewhat arrogance imo. It's like Earl Strickland jumping on the table after winning World Pool Championship, Cafu climbing on the World Cup trophy stand to receive it or oov biting the MSL trophy
^ This.
We need more ancient greek styled hubris in E-Sports. Someone who talks shit, and backs it up. Kind of like a cross between Idra and Parting but while also winning a lot of the time.
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On December 02 2012 14:33 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:26 Die4Ever wrote:On December 02 2012 14:24 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Someone should run a trophy ceremony tournament. Each round 2 players face off and pretend they just won a giant check and a trophy and whoever is least awkward advances. Winner is seeded into Code S finals and then we get a finals even more 1 sided than NesTea vs Inca, and still get an awkward ceremony because the player who got there based on SC2 skill would win...lol a true champion should be somewhat arrogance imo. It's like Earl Strickland jumping on the table after winning World Pool Championship, Cafu climbing on the World Cup trophy stand to receive it or oov biting the MSL trophy
Atleast some emotion would be great. Come one, you just won the most prestigious tournament in the world and cashed in pretty big. And he's only waving his arms around in an awkward way.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On December 02 2012 14:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:26 Megabuster123 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:21 Assirra wrote:On December 02 2012 14:19 Megabuster123 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:17 Crazypyro1 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:16 Chill Penguin wrote:On December 02 2012 14:11 eviltomahawk wrote:On December 02 2012 14:10 dcemuser wrote:On December 02 2012 14:09 SHOOG wrote:
Real question, haven't seen an answer, why do people not like Sniper so much?
I see a lot of people talking about how they literally "hate" him. Did he do something? Part of it is an ongoing joke, partly because he takes out fan favorite players, partly because he made Eve cry, and partly because he badmouthed Terrans who were complaining about balance. His personality also isn't very interesting, so we made him a villain to fill in the holes. Also his play style isn't very interesting. Just plays super standard every game. He's no doubt a great player, but he doesn't really do anything that warrants me becoming a fan. He won a gsl AND is a great player. Isn't that what matters? Or have we devolved to only liking players that say funny things in English? There's nothing unique about his play to warrant personal preference. It's great that he's good. But he just does what every zerg does except he wins.....>_> He outplayed Hyun a lot in this series when it was about positional play tough. It's Zerg vs Zerg. As important as positional play is, to the audience it just looks like swaying back and forth with a ball of units and constantly posturing. I don't mean to discredit his skill, he's sick good. But it's completely understandable why he doesn't have that many fans. DRG was ripping it up silently taking out everyone last year. But more than that, people could say, "DRG has the best muta micro". And that's something you can tangibly see and enjoy. What can you say about sniper? That he's good, that's basically it. Gumiho- Master of dropping and multitasking.
:p
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On December 02 2012 14:35 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:34 Biane wrote:On December 02 2012 14:30 lichter wrote:On December 02 2012 14:29 opterown wrote:On December 02 2012 14:25 opterown wrote:Poll: What did you think of the finals?★★★★ (45) 41% ★★★ (35) 32% ★★★★★ (17) 15% ★ (9) 8% ★★ (5) 5% 111 total votes Your vote: What did you think of the finals? (Vote): ★★★★★
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(the only other GSL finals thread i've made) Pretty obvious that was the best finals this year, maybe ever Lets wait for Blizzard cup/GSL Tour Grand Final, with people like MVP/Rain/DRG/Life/Parting and now Seed? I believe? Could potentially be a just as epic finals, on the line of MMA vs DRG esque. sniper not seed
arr my bad. o well, more 'fun killer' then!
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On December 02 2012 14:35 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:34 Biane wrote:On December 02 2012 14:30 lichter wrote:On December 02 2012 14:29 opterown wrote:On December 02 2012 14:25 opterown wrote:Poll: What did you think of the finals?★★★★ (45) 41% ★★★ (35) 32% ★★★★★ (17) 15% ★ (9) 8% ★★ (5) 5% 111 total votes Your vote: What did you think of the finals? (Vote): ★★★★★
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for reference: Poll: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall??★★★★★ (431) 84% ★★★★ (47) 9% ★ (16) 3% ★★★ (13) 3% ★★ (6) 1% 513 total votes Your vote: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall?? (Vote): ★★★★★
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(the only other GSL finals thread i've made) Pretty obvious that was the best finals this year, maybe ever Lets wait for Blizzard cup/GSL Tour Grand Final, with people like MVP/Rain/DRG/Life/Parting and now Seed? I believe? Could potentially be a just as epic finals, on the line of MMA vs DRG esque. sniper not seed
Seed might get in if PartinG wins WCG, provided that GOM keeps the same method as last year
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Northern Ireland25372 Posts
On December 02 2012 14:36 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 02 2012 14:26 Megabuster123 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:21 Assirra wrote:On December 02 2012 14:19 Megabuster123 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:17 Crazypyro1 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:16 Chill Penguin wrote:On December 02 2012 14:11 eviltomahawk wrote:On December 02 2012 14:10 dcemuser wrote:On December 02 2012 14:09 SHOOG wrote:
Real question, haven't seen an answer, why do people not like Sniper so much?
I see a lot of people talking about how they literally "hate" him. Did he do something? Part of it is an ongoing joke, partly because he takes out fan favorite players, partly because he made Eve cry, and partly because he badmouthed Terrans who were complaining about balance. His personality also isn't very interesting, so we made him a villain to fill in the holes. Also his play style isn't very interesting. Just plays super standard every game. He's no doubt a great player, but he doesn't really do anything that warrants me becoming a fan. He won a gsl AND is a great player. Isn't that what matters? Or have we devolved to only liking players that say funny things in English? There's nothing unique about his play to warrant personal preference. It's great that he's good. But he just does what every zerg does except he wins.....>_> He outplayed Hyun a lot in this series when it was about positional play tough. It's Zerg vs Zerg. As important as positional play is, to the audience it just looks like swaying back and forth with a ball of units and constantly posturing. I don't mean to discredit his skill, he's sick good. But it's completely understandable why he doesn't have that many fans. DRG was ripping it up silently taking out everyone last year. But more than that, people could say, "DRG has the best muta micro". And that's something you can tangibly see and enjoy. What can you say about sniper? That he's good, that's basically it. Gumiho- Master of dropping and multitasking. :p
Ah fair. To be fair I think MMA at his peak played TvZ in a refined/controlled way. Gumiho would try to do MORE stuff, and be more aggressive. When it worked it's so sick to watch, but by spreading himself on so many fronts he'd also sometimes just screw up
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I'd say this is the third best finals of the year
Mvp/Squirtle
DRG/Genius
This
and the 7th best overall
and why write Sniper off as a Jjakji? What did Life do before he won Code S? hell he wasnt even in Code S ever before he won. Sniper was a bigger name at the start of this season than LIfe was at the start of the last. Lets just actually give the man a chance?
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During the last game I thought that map makers have made it so that ZvZ can look almost as chess-like as TvT. Thank you, map-makers!
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Hyun will become the most persistent checker of hidden bases in all of starcraft after this loss. It will no doubt eat away at him for weeks.
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On December 02 2012 14:38 TommyP wrote:
I'd say this is the third best finals of the year
Mvp/Squirtle
DRG/Genius
This
and the 7th best overall
and why write Sniper off as a Jjakji? What did Life do before he won Code S? hell he wasnt even in Code S ever before he won. Sniper was a bigger name at the start of this season than LIfe was at the start of the last. Lets just actually give the man a chance?
Might agree on MvP Squirtle, but Life/MvP was much better than DRG Genius. /not biased.
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On December 02 2012 14:36 hootsushi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:33 Arceus wrote:On December 02 2012 14:26 Die4Ever wrote:On December 02 2012 14:24 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Someone should run a trophy ceremony tournament. Each round 2 players face off and pretend they just won a giant check and a trophy and whoever is least awkward advances. Winner is seeded into Code S finals and then we get a finals even more 1 sided than NesTea vs Inca, and still get an awkward ceremony because the player who got there based on SC2 skill would win...lol a true champion should be somewhat arrogance imo. It's like Earl Strickland jumping on the table after winning World Pool Championship, Cafu climbing on the World Cup trophy stand to receive it or oov biting the MSL trophy Atleast some emotion would be great. Come one, you just won the most prestigious tournament in the world and cashed in pretty big. And he's only waving his arms around in an awkward way.
Oh come on this shit again? We went over this when Seed won.
Watch the vod when he wins and pay attention.
Not every emotion equals doing a backflip or trashing stuff.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 02 2012 14:38 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:36 lichter wrote:On December 02 2012 14:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 02 2012 14:26 Megabuster123 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:21 Assirra wrote:On December 02 2012 14:19 Megabuster123 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:17 Crazypyro1 wrote:On December 02 2012 14:16 Chill Penguin wrote:On December 02 2012 14:11 eviltomahawk wrote:On December 02 2012 14:10 dcemuser wrote:
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Part of it is an ongoing joke, partly because he takes out fan favorite players, partly because he made Eve cry, and partly because he badmouthed Terrans who were complaining about balance. His personality also isn't very interesting, so we made him a villain to fill in the holes. Also his play style isn't very interesting. Just plays super standard every game. He's no doubt a great player, but he doesn't really do anything that warrants me becoming a fan. He won a gsl AND is a great player. Isn't that what matters? Or have we devolved to only liking players that say funny things in English? There's nothing unique about his play to warrant personal preference. It's great that he's good. But he just does what every zerg does except he wins.....>_> He outplayed Hyun a lot in this series when it was about positional play tough. It's Zerg vs Zerg. As important as positional play is, to the audience it just looks like swaying back and forth with a ball of units and constantly posturing. I don't mean to discredit his skill, he's sick good. But it's completely understandable why he doesn't have that many fans. DRG was ripping it up silently taking out everyone last year. But more than that, people could say, "DRG has the best muta micro". And that's something you can tangibly see and enjoy. What can you say about sniper? That he's good, that's basically it. Gumiho- Master of dropping and multitasking. :p Ah fair. To be fair I think MMA at his peak played TvZ in a refined/controlled way. Gumiho would try to do MORE stuff, and be more aggressive. When it worked it's so sick to watch, but by spreading himself on so many fronts he'd also sometimes just screw up
gumiho does it in more than just TvZ though, he does it in TvsEverything haha
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On December 02 2012 14:37 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:35 opterown wrote:On December 02 2012 14:34 Biane wrote:On December 02 2012 14:30 lichter wrote:On December 02 2012 14:29 opterown wrote:On December 02 2012 14:25 opterown wrote:Poll: What did you think of the finals?★★★★ (45) 41% ★★★ (35) 32% ★★★★★ (17) 15% ★ (9) 8% ★★ (5) 5% 111 total votes Your vote: What did you think of the finals? (Vote): ★★★★★
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for reference: Poll: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall??★★★★★ (431) 84% ★★★★ (47) 9% ★ (16) 3% ★★★ (13) 3% ★★ (6) 1% 513 total votes Your vote: Rate Mvp vs. Squirtle overall?? (Vote): ★★★★★
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(the only other GSL finals thread i've made) Pretty obvious that was the best finals this year, maybe ever Lets wait for Blizzard cup/GSL Tour Grand Final, with people like MVP/Rain/DRG/Life/Parting and now Seed? I believe? Could potentially be a just as epic finals, on the line of MMA vs DRG esque. sniper not seed Seed might get in if PartinG wins WCG, provided that GOM keeps the same method as last year
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_StarCraft_II_League/Rankings
Seed is #4 in point rankings, and Life qualified as MLG champ, so #3 point ranking will default to Seed at #4? I hope. i like Seed ;x
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Northern Ireland25372 Posts
On December 02 2012 14:35 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:33 Arceus wrote:On December 02 2012 14:26 Die4Ever wrote:On December 02 2012 14:24 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Someone should run a trophy ceremony tournament. Each round 2 players face off and pretend they just won a giant check and a trophy and whoever is least awkward advances. Winner is seeded into Code S finals and then we get a finals even more 1 sided than NesTea vs Inca, and still get an awkward ceremony because the player who got there based on SC2 skill would win...lol a true champion should be somewhat arrogance imo. It's like Earl Strickland jumping on the table after winning World Pool Championship, Cafu climbing on the World Cup trophy stand to receive it or oov biting the MSL trophy ^ This. We need more ancient greek styled hubris in E-Sports. Someone who talks shit, and backs it up. Kind of like a cross between Idra and Parting but while also winning a lot of the time.
I think that's for guys like that. A guy trying to do that, who doesn't have that mentality looks awkward, look at Naniwa doing the thumbs down to Nestea.
I don't know, it's more like get rid of all this FALSE modesty. You don't have to go to the other end of the extreme, just some of these guys will like, win a GSL and still claim they're bad players, and were lucky. Maybe they believe that I don't know?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 02 2012 14:39 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 14:38 TommyP wrote:
I'd say this is the third best finals of the year
Mvp/Squirtle
DRG/Genius
This
and the 7th best overall
and why write Sniper off as a Jjakji? What did Life do before he won Code S? hell he wasnt even in Code S ever before he won. Sniper was a bigger name at the start of this season than LIfe was at the start of the last. Lets just actually give the man a chance? Might agree on MvP Squirtle, but Life/MvP was much better than DRG Genius. /not biased.
and life/mvp wasn't even that good imo, the games were slightly meh
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Australia54784 Posts
On December 02 2012 14:39 Chill Penguin wrote:
Hyun will become the most persistent checker of hidden bases in all of starcraft after this loss. It will no doubt eat away at him for weeks.
kinda like squirtle and the 2rax
we just need keen to hide 5th bases against hyun next season twice in a row
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On December 02 2012 14:39 figq wrote:
During the last game I thought that map makers have made it so that ZvZ can look almost as chess-like as TvT. Thank you, map-makers!
Cloud Kingdom does seem to produce some good ZvZs. Leenock vs Life at the MLG finals had a good game on it with Leenock making a nice comeback. Idra vs rorO from WCS was also pretty good.
The use of high ground and chokes adds a lot of positional elements to the map for all matchups.
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