The four players with the highest GSL 2012 point rankings are distributed to the four groups - 1st place to Group A, 2nd to group D, 3rd to group C and 4th to Group B.
There are three rounds of nominations:
1st place in points nominates their player, then 2nd to 4th (A - D - C - B).
The nominated player in Group D nominates another player to join that group. Then the nominated player of Group C, B, and A follow (D - C - B - A).
The nominated player in Group A nominates another player to join that group. Then the nominated player of Group B and C follow. The last player is placed in Group D (A - B - C - D).
On November 08 2012 22:17 EngrishTeacher wrote: Seeing which race gets picked on the most or avoided the most will shed light on balance better than anything else.
Hoping Marineking gets into a group with lots of zergs, and hoping Bogus gets an easy group and make the semi-final.
Ro16 2012, half the players are zergs. DRG once asked, I think the season where Ro8 had 5 protosses, you think there would ever be a time when there are 5 zergs in Ro8? Well, it seems likely this season. Even a full 8 zergs in Ro8 is possible.. DRG -> Ryung Life -> Bogus PartinG -> Yoda MKP -> Hack?
On November 08 2012 22:17 EngrishTeacher wrote: Seeing which race gets picked on the most or avoided the most will shed light on balance better than anything else.
Hoping Marineking gets into a group with lots of zergs, and hoping Bogus gets an easy group and make the semi-final.
On November 08 2012 22:17 EngrishTeacher wrote: Seeing which race gets picked on the most or avoided the most will shed light on balance better than anything else.
Hoping Marineking gets into a group with lots of zergs, and hoping Bogus gets an easy group and make the semi-final.
you're so mean
At least he can't get Life.
just wait, he'll pick leenock, who picks symbol, who picks curious lol
On November 08 2012 22:17 EngrishTeacher wrote: Seeing which race gets picked on the most or avoided the most will shed light on balance better than anything else.
Hoping Marineking gets into a group with lots of zergs, and hoping Bogus gets an easy group and make the semi-final.
you're so mean
At least he can't get Life.
just wait, he'll pick leenock, who picks symbol, who picks curious lol
I'm hoping for Yoda and seven zergs in the ro8 ^_^
On November 08 2012 22:50 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Is there only 2 Protoss?
yup!
Yey! No pvp finals then :-).. Seriously tho, Race distribution this GSL seems pretty odd. Might be that many players aren't totally focused because of HOTS / Late in the season / Kespa players joining. But that's just my mind mumbling! as I actually have no idea why this is the case :D
On November 08 2012 22:50 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Is there only 2 Protoss?
yup!
Yey! No pvp finals then :-).. Seriously tho, Race distribution this GSL seems pretty odd. Might be that many players aren't totally focused because of HOTS / Late in the season / Kespa players joining. But that's just my mind mumbling! as I actually have no idea why this is the case :D
I doubt it is for HoTS since I don't think Code S/A koreans will be touching it at all. Since there is no set timeline yet as to when it will be release and too many changes to go.
On November 08 2012 22:50 Hall0wed wrote: Life will not be there but I guess it doesn't matter much since he is the second player picking. He can just named 2 people or whatever, cool gig.
Or he just tells his coach to just pick any Terran.
A: DRG INnoVation Creator Curious B: MarineKing Hack Sniper HyuN C: PartinG Soulkey YoDa Symbol D: Life Ryung Polt Leenock
Why do you think DRG will pick Bogus/Innovation? I also think he will pick a Terran, but I thought Hack and Ryung would be taken before Bogus.
Hack looked better than Bogus. Bogus didn't look great vs zerg. It'll be either Bogus or Ryung so I just put them as the first two picked
Yeah, I see your point. I guess I would just be less surprised if Bogus turned in a good performance than for Hack. Yoda was the only Terran who really impressed me. I expect him to be the last Terran taken (which is what you said too). I think he will be won't be taken until the third round. Nor Creator. I think Curious will go earlier and someone will take a chance on Hyun, hoping he reverts to his previous GSL form.
A: DRG INnoVation Creator Curious B: MarineKing Hack Sniper HyuN C: PartinG Soulkey YoDa Symbol D: Life Ryung Polt Leenock
Why do you think DRG will pick Bogus/Innovation? I also think he will pick a Terran, but I thought Hack and Ryung would be taken before Bogus.
Hack looked better than Bogus. Bogus didn't look great vs zerg. It'll be either Bogus or Ryung so I just put them as the first two picked
Yeah, I see your point. I guess I would just be less surprised if Bogus turned in a good performance than for Hack. Yoda was the only Terran who really impressed me. I expect him to be the last Terran taken (which is what you said too). I think he will be won't be taken until the third round. Nor Creator. I think Curious will go earlier and someone will take a chance on Hyun, hoping he reverts to his previous GSL form.
Yeah, it gets pretty much impossible to predict anything later down the line because then you start having people making stupid picks or making deals. You also have the people who will pick a teammate of another player in the group just for the team kill etc. Makes it fun though :D
On November 08 2012 23:30 ragz_gt wrote: Who voted Sniper first pick >.<V
Losira, because he knows what it's like to get crushed by your teammate 4-0 in a mirror in the finals. He's saving sniper the pain by sending him out early
On November 08 2012 22:50 Hall0wed wrote: Life will not be there but I guess it doesn't matter much since he is the second player picking. He can just named 2 people or whatever, cool gig.
Or he just tells his coach to just pick any Terran.
On November 08 2012 22:50 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Is there only 2 Protoss?
yup!
Yey! No pvp finals then :-).. Seriously tho, Race distribution this GSL seems pretty odd. Might be that many players aren't totally focused because of HOTS / Late in the season / Kespa players joining. But that's just my mind mumbling! as I actually have no idea why this is the case :D
The racial discrimination is odd because zerg is absolutely destroying protoss this season, all other matchups have remained relatively static but two of the best p v t'ers in Squirtle and Rain have not performed / pulled out.
On November 08 2012 22:50 Hall0wed wrote: Life will not be there but I guess it doesn't matter much since he is the second player picking. He can just named 2 people or whatever, cool gig.
Or he just tells his coach to just pick any Terran.
On November 08 2012 22:50 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Is there only 2 Protoss?
yup!
Yey! No pvp finals then :-).. Seriously tho, Race distribution this GSL seems pretty odd. Might be that many players aren't totally focused because of HOTS / Late in the season / Kespa players joining. But that's just my mind mumbling! as I actually have no idea why this is the case :D
The racial discrimination is odd because zerg is absolutely destroying protoss this season, all other matchups have remained relatively static but two of the best p v t'ers in Squirtle and Rain have not performed / pulled out.
TvZ was like 8-23 I think. Terrans got through because we started with 14 and they beat Ps and other Ts.
On November 08 2012 22:50 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Is there only 2 Protoss?
yup!
Yey! No pvp finals then :-).. Seriously tho, Race distribution this GSL seems pretty odd. Might be that many players aren't totally focused because of HOTS / Late in the season / Kespa players joining. But that's just my mind mumbling! as I actually have no idea why this is the case :D
The racial discrimination is odd because zerg is absolutely destroying protoss this season, all other matchups have remained relatively static but two of the best p v t'ers in Squirtle and Rain have not performed / pulled out.
TvZ was like 8-23 I think. Terrans got through because we started with 14 and they beat Ps and other Ts.
Good point - I overlooked that - zergs are dominating terran too.
I think we will get at least 5 Zergs in the Ro16, 6 seems to be the most reasonable number. One terran will make it too and then it will be decided if both or one protoss can do it. Creator and Parting might have the biggest chance of pushing those zerg aside.
DRG - a terran, either Bogus or Polt (he'll be travelling from the LoneStar Clash IIRC and DRG probably wants revenge ) Life - a zerg (I'd say Sniper) PartinG - a Zerg (I'd say Hyun) MKP - Bogus (if DRG picks Polt) or Hack
wait this is at fucking 5:10 am? >.< I was hyped about this actually being watchable before school as I'm not starting until lunch tomorrow, and you gotta pull this one on me? T.T
On November 09 2012 00:45 GoingGoingGone wrote: DRG - a terran, either Bogus or Polt (he'll be travelling from the LoneStar Clash IIRC and DRG probably wants revenge ) Life - a zerg (I'd say Sniper) PartinG - a Zerg (I'd say Hyun) MKP - Bogus (if DRG picks Polt) or Hack
Not sure if Life will risk a ZvZ if there are still Ts available.
On November 09 2012 01:12 HaXXspetten wrote: wait this is at fucking 5:10 am? >.< I was hyped about this actually being watchable before school as I'm not starting until lunch tomorrow, and you gotta pull this one on me? T.T
Go to bed early, and wake up in time for the nominations.
YoDa is my terran hope. I think Parting may be the protoss hope, I think perfectly executed 2 base timings from Parting seem to work better right now than the pre-hive timing that for example Creator prefers. But Parting will prolly bomb out and not make it to the finals. My gut feeling is TvZ or TvT final.
On November 09 2012 02:16 Kasaraki wrote: YoDa is my terran hope. I think Parting may be the protoss hope, I think perfectly executed 2 base timings from Parting seem to work better right now than the pre-hive timing that for example Creator prefers. But Parting will prolly bomb out and not make it to the finals. My gut feeling is TvZ or TvT final.
I know it's a gut feeling but as someone pointed out zerg are something like 23-8 vs terran this season. It seems extremely unlikely on a T v T final unless the terran metagame suddenly "figures out" zerg
On November 09 2012 02:16 Kasaraki wrote: YoDa is my terran hope. I think Parting may be the protoss hope, I think perfectly executed 2 base timings from Parting seem to work better right now than the pre-hive timing that for example Creator prefers. But Parting will prolly bomb out and not make it to the finals. My gut feeling is TvZ or TvT final.
I know it's a gut feeling but as someone pointed out zerg are something like 23-8 vs terran this season. It seems extremely unlikely on a T v T final unless the terran metagame suddenly "figures out" zerg
Yeah it makes no sense, but I am a bit superstitious when it comes to these things. Feels like if a race dominates this badly, and everyone expects it to take the finals, somehow another race will manage to pull through. ^_^
On November 09 2012 00:45 GoingGoingGone wrote: DRG - a terran, either Bogus or Polt (he'll be travelling from the LoneStar Clash IIRC and DRG probably wants revenge ) Life - a zerg (I'd say Sniper) PartinG - a Zerg (I'd say Hyun) MKP - Bogus (if DRG picks Polt) or Hack
life said in the group h interview that he doesn't like playing zvz and that he doesn't even need to practice vs terran so 95% chance that a terran will be picked
On November 09 2012 02:59 THM wrote: I really hope there will be an 8 zerg Ro8, or a 7 zerg + Foxer Ro8. Would send a nice message.
Oddly, me too. ZvZ isn't the worst matchup, and an almost entire zerg ro8 would probably make blizz take things just a little more seriously. They seem to weigh the GSL much more than everything else; probably 2nd to the ladder.
On November 09 2012 02:59 THM wrote: I really hope there will be an 8 zerg Ro8, or a 7 zerg + Foxer Ro8. Would send a nice message.
Oddly, me too. ZvZ isn't the worst matchup, and an almost entire zerg ro8 would probably make blizz take things just a little more seriously. They seem to weigh the GSL much more than everything else; probably 2nd to the ladder.
considering how protoss players played so badly, and terran still had a good representation, there should be no nerf. And that makes totally sense to me.
this is the first time in sc2 GSL history that there are more zergs than terrans in code S
On November 09 2012 02:59 THM wrote: I really hope there will be an 8 zerg Ro8, or a 7 zerg + Foxer Ro8. Would send a nice message.
Oddly, me too. ZvZ isn't the worst matchup, and an almost entire zerg ro8 would probably make blizz take things just a little more seriously. They seem to weigh the GSL much more than everything else; probably 2nd to the ladder.
considering how protoss players played so badly, and terran still had a good representation, there should be no nerf. And that makes totally sense to me.
this is the first time in sc2 GSL history that there are more zergs than terrans in code S
mmm, while I see your point, MVP single handedly prevented the Raven buff from happening from 1 tournament (IEM). With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised from a zerg nerf from 1 single GSL.
On November 09 2012 02:59 THM wrote: I really hope there will be an 8 zerg Ro8, or a 7 zerg + Foxer Ro8. Would send a nice message.
Oddly, me too. ZvZ isn't the worst matchup, and an almost entire zerg ro8 would probably make blizz take things just a little more seriously. They seem to weigh the GSL much more than everything else; probably 2nd to the ladder.
considering how protoss players played so badly, and terran still had a good representation, there should be no nerf. And that makes totally sense to me.
this is the first time in sc2 GSL history that there are more zergs than terrans in code S
mmm, while I see your point, MVP single handedly prevented the Raven buff from happening from 1 tournament (IEM). With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised from a zerg nerf from 1 single GSL.
Fucking Mvp. >_< Always ruining it for the rest of us!
On November 09 2012 02:59 THM wrote: I really hope there will be an 8 zerg Ro8, or a 7 zerg + Foxer Ro8. Would send a nice message.
Oddly, me too. ZvZ isn't the worst matchup, and an almost entire zerg ro8 would probably make blizz take things just a little more seriously. They seem to weigh the GSL much more than everything else; probably 2nd to the ladder.
considering how protoss players played so badly, and terran still had a good representation, there should be no nerf. And that makes totally sense to me.
this is the first time in sc2 GSL history that there are more zergs than terrans in code S
mmm, while I see your point, MVP single handedly prevented the Raven buff from happening from 1 tournament (IEM). With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised from a zerg nerf from 1 single GSL.
Besides being a very silly response from Blizzard (it kinda helped that Mvp was straight-up better than everyone else at the tournament), this Ro32 had poor play with the exception of a few people. What exactly would they pick out from that sample size?
I think Life will have asked his coach(es) to make some ballsy pick, to be honest. Revenge on Hyun, declaring that Leenock is his bitch, or something like that. Either that, or they'll pick him an "easy" target like Innovation. As for DRG, I don't know... Probably a Terran or a Protoss - can't see him picking a Zerg right now. Parting is almost guaranteed to pick a Zerg, what with his recent wonwonwon success and all that - and there's not exactly a lack of Zergs. As for MKP, I don't know... a Terran or a Protoss, I think. I don't believe any Terran would happily pick a Zerg right now, since most are complaining about difficulties in the match-up, so I've got my bets on him picking either Hack or Innovation depending on the other three players' picks.
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
Even foreign zergs such as VortiX, Scarlett, Nerchio and Stephano of course can take out any terran. Their ZvT isn't that impressive, DRG's play was more impressive back in the days, but it's not those zergs fault if their race got buffed changing the metagame for less impressive games, I guess.
Oh and this bracket seems odd, Creator will crush them before MKP has to :D.
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
We'll miss you...
Still alive :p
On November 09 2012 06:02 Poopi wrote:
On November 09 2012 05:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
Even foreign zergs such as VortiX, Scarlett, Nerchio and Stephano of course can take out any terran. Their ZvT isn't that impressive, DRG's play was more impressive back in the days, but it's not those zergs fault if their race got buffed changing the metagame for less impressive games, I guess.
Oh and this bracket seems odd, Creator will crush them before MKP has to :D.
Life's ZvT to me is far more impressive than DRG's ever was.
I have no idea who Mkp is going to pick. He isn't good enough TvT to pick any of the KESPA pro terrans, they all mastered TvT to quickly. Then the non KESPA pro terrans are better than him at TvT. That means he has to pick Zergs, and well its a coin toss with Mkp then as to which Mkp turns up xD the one who uses his mechanics and solid Terran play to win, or the Mkp that tries to 2rax every game and loses.
On November 09 2012 06:19 Pandemona wrote: I have no idea who Mkp is going to pick. He isn't good enough TvT to pick any of the KESPA pro terrans, they all mastered TvT to quickly. Then the non KESPA pro terrans are better than him at TvT. That means he has to pick Zergs, and well its a coin toss with Mkp then as to which Mkp turns up xD the one who uses his mechanics and solid Terran play to win, or the Mkp that tries to 2rax every game and loses.
Will be interesting
MKP has had the best TvT in 2012 as far as I know. Crushed TaeJa and almost every terran kinda easily. Even beat MMA using the builds he uses on ladder and streams. KesPA terrans are far from impressive atm but I might be wrong :o.
On November 09 2012 06:19 Pandemona wrote: I have no idea who Mkp is going to pick. He isn't good enough TvT to pick any of the KESPA pro terrans, they all mastered TvT to quickly. Then the non KESPA pro terrans are better than him at TvT. That means he has to pick Zergs, and well its a coin toss with Mkp then as to which Mkp turns up xD the one who uses his mechanics and solid Terran play to win, or the Mkp that tries to 2rax every game and loses.
Will be interesting
lol, mkp is about 80% in tvt this year, i think the only person who has a positive headtohead against him is mvp. mkp is one of the best tvters atm
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
We'll miss you...
Still alive :p
On November 09 2012 06:02 Poopi wrote:
On November 09 2012 05:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
Even foreign zergs such as VortiX, Scarlett, Nerchio and Stephano of course can take out any terran. Their ZvT isn't that impressive, DRG's play was more impressive back in the days, but it's not those zergs fault if their race got buffed changing the metagame for less impressive games, I guess.
Oh and this bracket seems odd, Creator will crush them before MKP has to :D.
Life's ZvT to me is far more impressive than DRG's ever was.
Of course it will seem* impressive given the metagame. Stephano had an incredible ZvT before the first infestor buff, beating terrans on steppes of war with in-battle burrowed banelings (far before any GSL zerg did it on TV) and amazing engagements. TvZ used to be so cool to watch as a match-up .
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
We'll miss you...
Still alive :p
On November 09 2012 06:02 Poopi wrote:
On November 09 2012 05:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
Even foreign zergs such as VortiX, Scarlett, Nerchio and Stephano of course can take out any terran. Their ZvT isn't that impressive, DRG's play was more impressive back in the days, but it's not those zergs fault if their race got buffed changing the metagame for less impressive games, I guess.
Oh and this bracket seems odd, Creator will crush them before MKP has to :D.
You're severely underestimating top foreign zergs, they are the strongest race out of Korea and the best of the best can compete with Koreans. Also, I wouldn't include Vortix in your list, though his ZvT is his personal best MU, he can't take out every terran yet.
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
We'll miss you...
Still alive :p
On November 09 2012 06:02 Poopi wrote:
On November 09 2012 05:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
Even foreign zergs such as VortiX, Scarlett, Nerchio and Stephano of course can take out any terran. Their ZvT isn't that impressive, DRG's play was more impressive back in the days, but it's not those zergs fault if their race got buffed changing the metagame for less impressive games, I guess.
Oh and this bracket seems odd, Creator will crush them before MKP has to :D.
You're severely underestimating top foreign zergs, they are the strongest race out of Korea and the best of the best can compete with Koreans. Also, I wouldn't include Vortix in your list, though his ZvT is his personal best MU, he can't take out every terran yet.
That's what I said, (that they can compete with koreans). I don't really understand your point. Pretty sure VortiX can, he is better than Nerchio in the MU.
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
We'll miss you...
Still alive :p
On November 09 2012 06:02 Poopi wrote:
On November 09 2012 05:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
Even foreign zergs such as VortiX, Scarlett, Nerchio and Stephano of course can take out any terran. Their ZvT isn't that impressive, DRG's play was more impressive back in the days, but it's not those zergs fault if their race got buffed changing the metagame for less impressive games, I guess.
Oh and this bracket seems odd, Creator will crush them before MKP has to :D.
Life's ZvT to me is far more impressive than DRG's ever was.
Of course it will be impressive given the metagame. Stephano had an incredible ZvT before the first infestor buff, beating terrans on steppes of war with in-battle burrowed banelings (far before any GSL zerg did it on TV) and amazing engagements. TvZ used to be so cool to watch as a match-up .
Thanks for the backhanded compliment.
Back in the day ZvT was entertaining from a spectator perspective, absolute butt from a strategic perspective. Now that zergs actually feel confident enough in the matchup to experiment, we're seeing cool builds start to pop out.
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
We'll miss you...
Still alive :p
On November 09 2012 06:02 Poopi wrote:
On November 09 2012 05:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
Even foreign zergs such as VortiX, Scarlett, Nerchio and Stephano of course can take out any terran. Their ZvT isn't that impressive, DRG's play was more impressive back in the days, but it's not those zergs fault if their race got buffed changing the metagame for less impressive games, I guess.
Oh and this bracket seems odd, Creator will crush them before MKP has to :D.
Life's ZvT to me is far more impressive than DRG's ever was.
Of course it will be impressive given the metagame. Stephano had an incredible ZvT before the first infestor buff, beating terrans on steppes of war with in-battle burrowed banelings (far before any GSL zerg did it on TV) and amazing engagements. TvZ used to be so cool to watch as a match-up .
Thanks for the backhanded compliment.
Back in the day ZvT was entertaining from a spectator perspective, absolute butt from a strategic perspective. Now that zergs actually feel confident enough in the matchup to experiment, we're seeing cool builds start to pop out.
Jjakji vs Leenock is probably still the best TvZ series and it sure wasn't butt from a strategic perspective. Now there isn't any more strategy, zergs don't practice the match-up because they don't need to and terrans (see Life and Ryung interviews) don't practice it because it won't help.
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
We'll miss you...
Still alive :p
On November 09 2012 06:02 Poopi wrote:
On November 09 2012 05:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On November 09 2012 04:56 opterown wrote: MKP will win ofc
ro16 mkp > leenock mkp > symbol
ro8 mkp > drg
ro4 mkp > hyun
finals mkp > life
I think the odds of MKP taking out five top tier Zergs with excellent ZvT is just as likely as the chances of a meteor striking me right now.
They don't have excellent ZvT. DRG had in his prime days but meh.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Leenock, Symbol, HyuN and Life all have some good ZvT, I mean, those five are the most likely contenders for best Zergs currently, and they can take out any Terran.
Even foreign zergs such as VortiX, Scarlett, Nerchio and Stephano of course can take out any terran. Their ZvT isn't that impressive, DRG's play was more impressive back in the days, but it's not those zergs fault if their race got buffed changing the metagame for less impressive games, I guess.
Oh and this bracket seems odd, Creator will crush them before MKP has to :D.
Life's ZvT to me is far more impressive than DRG's ever was.
Of course it will be impressive given the metagame. Stephano had an incredible ZvT before the first infestor buff, beating terrans on steppes of war with in-battle burrowed banelings (far before any GSL zerg did it on TV) and amazing engagements. TvZ used to be so cool to watch as a match-up .
Thanks for the backhanded compliment.
Back in the day ZvT was entertaining from a spectator perspective, absolute butt from a strategic perspective. Now that zergs actually feel confident enough in the matchup to experiment, we're seeing cool builds start to pop out.
Jjakji vs Leenock is probably still the best TvZ series and it sure wasn't butt from a strategic perspective. Now there isn't any more strategy, zergs don't practice the match-up because they don't need to and terrans (see Life and Ryung interviews) don't practice it because it won't help.
Tactical perspective and it was helped by the fact that nobody knew Jjakji was amazing at the matchup. .
i think parting will pick soulkey or symbol since they seem to have the weakest zvps iirc. Creator will probably be the last to be picked since a lot of players don't want to have to practice vs all 3 races, while creator will probably never have to practice for more than two matchups, plus he's the best toss, at least according to elo.
On November 09 2012 09:06 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Group A: DRG > Ryung > Curious > Creator
Group D: Life > Hack > Soulkey >Leenock
Group C: Parting > Bogus > Polt > Hyun
Group B: MKP > Yoda > Sniper > Symbol
My stab in the dark
Why would Ryung pick Curious?! He must be hoping for Curious to choke hard last last season not a healthy tactic though!
Also I don't think Soulkey will pick leenock, he was at MLG, he knows how good leenock is right now. Also I can so see Polt picking Hyun :D and Sniper picking Symbol.
ALSO Life will not pick Hack, they are teammates, also Parting is teammates with Hack as well.
DRG > Ryung (he did look weak last night T_T) > Yoda > Curious
Life > Bogus > Creator > Sniper
Parting > soulkey > Polt > Symbol
MKP > Hack > Hyun > Leenock
Mostly every ST and TSL player trying to avoid a team kill ;P
On November 09 2012 09:06 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Group A: DRG > Ryung > Curious > Creator
Group D: Life > Hack > Soulkey >Leenock
Group C: Parting > Bogus > Polt > Hyun
Group B: MKP > Yoda > Sniper > Symbol
My stab in the dark
Why would Ryung pick Curious?! He must be hoping for Curious to choke hard last last season not a healthy tactic though!
Also I don't think Soulkey will pick leenock, he was at MLG, he knows how good leenock is right now. Also I can so see Polt picking Hyun :D and Sniper picking Symbol.
ALSO Life will not pick Hack, they are teammates, also Parting is teammates with Hack as well.
DRG > Ryung (he did look weak last night T_T) > Yoda > Curious
Life > Bogus > Creator > Sniper
Parting > soulkey > Polt > Symbol
MKP > Hack > Hyun > Leenock
Mostly every ST and TSL player trying to avoid a team kill ;P
On November 08 2012 22:17 EngrishTeacher wrote: Seeing which race gets picked on the most or avoided the most will shed light on balance better than anything else.
Hoping Marineking gets into a group with lots of zergs, and hoping Bogus gets an easy group and make the semi-final.
On November 09 2012 09:42 KingOfNoodles wrote: Anyone know if Snowbird is translating? Wouldn't really be group nominations if we don't understand any of the trash talking :D
I believe he's already stopped working for GomTV to pursue other things.
On November 09 2012 09:42 KingOfNoodles wrote: Anyone know if Snowbird is translating? Wouldn't really be group nominations if we don't understand any of the trash talking :D
I believe he's already stopped working for GomTV to pursue other things.
On November 09 2012 09:06 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Group A: DRG > Ryung > Curious > Creator
Group D: Life > Hack > Soulkey >Leenock
Group C: Parting > Bogus > Polt > Hyun
Group B: MKP > Yoda > Sniper > Symbol
My stab in the dark
Why would Ryung pick Curious?! He must be hoping for Curious to choke hard last last season not a healthy tactic though!
Also I don't think Soulkey will pick leenock, he was at MLG, he knows how good leenock is right now. Also I can so see Polt picking Hyun :D and Sniper picking Symbol.
ALSO Life will not pick Hack, they are teammates, also Parting is teammates with Hack as well.
DRG > Ryung (he did look weak last night T_T) > Yoda > Curious
Life > Bogus > Creator > Sniper
Parting > soulkey > Polt > Symbol
MKP > Hack > Hyun > Leenock
Mostly every ST and TSL player trying to avoid a team kill ;P
Why would Polt pick his teammate Symbol?
I have same first 5 picks but had Soulkey go for Sniper instead. His ZvZ against DRG was pretty impressive And obviously Polt pick Symbol makes no sense
On November 09 2012 09:06 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Group A: DRG > Ryung > Curious > Creator
Group D: Life > Hack > Soulkey >Leenock
Group C: Parting > Bogus > Polt > Hyun
Group B: MKP > Yoda > Sniper > Symbol
My stab in the dark
Why would Ryung pick Curious?! He must be hoping for Curious to choke hard last last season not a healthy tactic though!
Also I don't think Soulkey will pick leenock, he was at MLG, he knows how good leenock is right now. Also I can so see Polt picking Hyun :D and Sniper picking Symbol.
ALSO Life will not pick Hack, they are teammates, also Parting is teammates with Hack as well.
DRG > Ryung (he did look weak last night T_T) > Yoda > Curious
Life > Bogus > Creator > Sniper
Parting > soulkey > Polt > Symbol
MKP > Hack > Hyun > Leenock
Mostly every ST and TSL player trying to avoid a team kill ;P
Why would Polt pick his teammate Symbol?
I have same first 5 picks but had Soulkey go for Sniper instead. His ZvZ against DRG was pretty impressive And obviously Polt pick Symbol makes no sense
On November 09 2012 09:06 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Group A: DRG > Ryung > Curious > Creator
Group D: Life > Hack > Soulkey >Leenock
Group C: Parting > Bogus > Polt > Hyun
Group B: MKP > Yoda > Sniper > Symbol
My stab in the dark
Why would Ryung pick Curious?! He must be hoping for Curious to choke hard last last season not a healthy tactic though!
Also I don't think Soulkey will pick leenock, he was at MLG, he knows how good leenock is right now. Also I can so see Polt picking Hyun :D and Sniper picking Symbol.
ALSO Life will not pick Hack, they are teammates, also Parting is teammates with Hack as well.
DRG > Ryung (he did look weak last night T_T) > Yoda > Curious
Life > Bogus > Creator > Sniper
Parting > soulkey > Polt > Symbol
MKP > Hack > Hyun > Leenock
Mostly every ST and TSL player trying to avoid a team kill ;P
Why would Polt pick his teammate Symbol?
I have same first 5 picks but had Soulkey go for Sniper instead. His ZvZ against DRG was pretty impressive And obviously Polt pick Symbol makes no sense
On November 09 2012 10:08 lichter wrote:
On November 09 2012 10:06 Gescom wrote: Polt won the super tournament ! That counted as a GSL title, didn't it?
Nah, I think a guy named Optimus won it
He changed to Optimus after that (winning a GSL title seems to be the requirement)
Dudes it is a running joke that Polt never won a title =/
it's the worst running joke we have
even worse than sex coma, because at least that's just one annoying guy keeping that one alive, and not a group of people
On November 09 2012 10:54 Waxangel wrote: I wonder if PartinG pick/not-pick of HyuN will tell us anything about the IPL Fight Club result
and yah, I think PartinG will pick a Zerg, and possibly the hardest one he can find just to prove a point
Interesting point, if PartinG is confident against HyuN, likely he defeated him at FC, but if he seems a little shaken at Zergs, HyuN probably beat him, or at least challenged him greatly.
On November 09 2012 09:06 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Group A: DRG > Ryung > Curious > Creator
Group D: Life > Hack > Soulkey >Leenock
Group C: Parting > Bogus > Polt > Hyun
Group B: MKP > Yoda > Sniper > Symbol
My stab in the dark
Why would Ryung pick Curious?! He must be hoping for Curious to choke hard last last season not a healthy tactic though!
Also I don't think Soulkey will pick leenock, he was at MLG, he knows how good leenock is right now. Also I can so see Polt picking Hyun :D and Sniper picking Symbol.
ALSO Life will not pick Hack, they are teammates, also Parting is teammates with Hack as well.
DRG > Ryung (he did look weak last night T_T) > Yoda > Curious
Life > Bogus > Creator > Sniper
Parting > soulkey > Polt > Symbol
MKP > Hack > Hyun > Leenock
Mostly every ST and TSL player trying to avoid a team kill ;P
Why would Polt pick his teammate Symbol?
I have same first 5 picks but had Soulkey go for Sniper instead. His ZvZ against DRG was pretty impressive And obviously Polt pick Symbol makes no sense
On November 09 2012 10:08 lichter wrote:
On November 09 2012 10:06 Gescom wrote: Polt won the super tournament ! That counted as a GSL title, didn't it?
Nah, I think a guy named Optimus won it
He changed to Optimus after that (winning a GSL title seems to be the requirement)
Dudes it is a running joke that Polt never won a title =/
it's the worst running joke we have
even worse than sex coma, because at least that's just one annoying guy keeping that one alive, and not a group of people
On November 09 2012 09:06 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Group A: DRG > Ryung > Curious > Creator
Group D: Life > Hack > Soulkey >Leenock
Group C: Parting > Bogus > Polt > Hyun
Group B: MKP > Yoda > Sniper > Symbol
My stab in the dark
Why would Ryung pick Curious?! He must be hoping for Curious to choke hard last last season not a healthy tactic though!
Also I don't think Soulkey will pick leenock, he was at MLG, he knows how good leenock is right now. Also I can so see Polt picking Hyun :D and Sniper picking Symbol.
ALSO Life will not pick Hack, they are teammates, also Parting is teammates with Hack as well.
DRG > Ryung (he did look weak last night T_T) > Yoda > Curious
Life > Bogus > Creator > Sniper
Parting > soulkey > Polt > Symbol
MKP > Hack > Hyun > Leenock
Mostly every ST and TSL player trying to avoid a team kill ;P
Why would Polt pick his teammate Symbol?
I have same first 5 picks but had Soulkey go for Sniper instead. His ZvZ against DRG was pretty impressive And obviously Polt pick Symbol makes no sense
On November 09 2012 10:08 lichter wrote:
On November 09 2012 10:06 Gescom wrote: Polt won the super tournament ! That counted as a GSL title, didn't it?
Nah, I think a guy named Optimus won it
He changed to Optimus after that (winning a GSL title seems to be the requirement)
Dudes it is a running joke that Polt never won a title =/
It sort of made sense half year ago when Polt was flailing in Code B, but now it's just dumb
I hope John tries to translate as much as Snowbird last time. Snowbird is so good at it, John seems to skip too much and easily engages in banter with Khaldor when players/casters are talking. I love you John but "blah blah blah" sometimes doesn`t cut it :D
On November 09 2012 11:24 ragz_gt wrote: Parting is seed so he can't be picked Creator might be picked fairly quick. He is unproven in GSL and lots strong Zerg
really? I am confused at how the seeding works. How do they rank the players?
It's the four highest GSL point holders that made it into the ro16
Before this season Mvp was rank 1 DRG rank 2, but with Mvp out DRG gets the first seed etc
On November 09 2012 13:14 Fionn wrote: So the GSL WC team is going to be Mvp, DRG, Seed, Life and someone else. gg, World.
What determines the someone else? I didn't hear it.
It's points. The four winners obviously have the most points. Right now MC would be the 5th player, but Parting, Symbol, MKP can all pass him with a good placing.
On November 09 2012 13:25 RiceAgainst wrote: Group A is the Group of Death already. You just can't put DRG & Creator in the same group and not expect mass death.
Ryung says his ZvT is so bad he didnt even practice for Zerg in his Ro32 group because he knows hes going to lose....DRG why not pick him when he wont go and pick another Zerg either???
On November 09 2012 13:28 TommyP wrote: Ryung says his ZvT is so bad he didnt even practice for Zerg in his Ro32 group because he knows hes going to lose....DRG why not pick him when he wont go and pick another Zerg either???
He was going against Life and there was only 1 Zerg in the group. It was the smart thing to do. Since it looks like there will be 2 zergs for almost all the groups, this won't happen anymore.
On November 09 2012 13:51 ragz_gt wrote: I swear the only reason Mvp won all the titles is because he doesn't screw around in group nomination like every other player
On November 09 2012 13:51 ragz_gt wrote: I swear the only reason Mvp won all the titles is because he doesn't screw around in group nomination like every other player
Nestea too, he always picked who he thought was the weakest Zerg when he was the ZvZ king.
Soulkey knows he is fucked so he just went ahead and made death group. Maybe trying to save the race percentage by putting best zergs together. This selection is so crazy.
On November 09 2012 14:06 andaylin wrote: I don't think it's crazy of soulkey to pick zergs, his ZvZ looked decent in MLG.
He's not doing this out of confidence. At this point he's hoping that he can create a war of attrition within Group D where everyone kills everyone else and he miraculously gets out.
You have the hottest player in the world in your group, so you pick the second hottest player in the world to help your chances. Yeah, that makes sense.
On November 09 2012 14:06 andaylin wrote: I don't think it's crazy of soulkey to pick zergs, his ZvZ looked decent in MLG.
He's not doing this out of confidence. At this point he's hoping that he can create a war of attrition within Group D where everyone kills everyone else and he miraculously gets out.
That doesn't really work since it is not round robin. Maybe in robin round, you want people knocking out each other.
On November 09 2012 14:05 GWdeathscythe wrote: actually not a dumb pick... all kespa zergs seems to have a great zvz in sc2.
Then pick Sniper lol... why would you poke leenoctopus
yeah lol maybe he want to give us the best of zvz... life has sick one, as leenock, as soulkey.. last zerg pick will be doomed (assuming that group will be all z).
On November 09 2012 14:05 GWdeathscythe wrote: actually not a dumb pick... all kespa zergs seems to have a great zvz in sc2.
He isnt bad, but he lost to revival in last MLG. Haven't seen much else. Also I doubt he can beat Leenock/Life without some lucky. They are easily top 5 globally, up there would also be sniper and Hyun in all likelihood.
On November 09 2012 14:06 andaylin wrote: I don't think it's crazy of soulkey to pick zergs, his ZvZ looked decent in MLG.
He's not doing this out of confidence. At this point he's hoping that he can create a war of attrition within Group D where everyone kills everyone else and he miraculously gets out.
That doesn't really work since it is not round robin. Maybe in robin round, you want people knocking out each other.
At this point he is just screwing with everyone else...
On November 09 2012 14:05 GWdeathscythe wrote: actually not a dumb pick... all kespa zergs seems to have a great zvz in sc2.
Then pick Sniper lol... why would you poke leenoctopus
yeah lol maybe he want to give us the best of zvz... life has sick one, as leenock, as soulkey.. last zerg pick will be doomed (assuming that group will be all z).
On November 09 2012 14:06 Williammm wrote: Don't forget, Soulkey took out DRG in WCS korea 2-0 in superb fashion. Life and leenock are gonna have to fight hard against the micro beast
The only ZvZ DRG played in WCS was against Effort, and it was 2-1, not 2-0.
On November 09 2012 14:06 andaylin wrote: I don't think it's crazy of soulkey to pick zergs, his ZvZ looked decent in MLG.
He's not doing this out of confidence. At this point he's hoping that he can create a war of attrition within Group D where everyone kills everyone else and he miraculously gets out.
That doesn't really work since it is not round robin. Maybe in robin round, you want people knocking out each other.
Soulkey's thought process:
Soulkey loses to Life Leenock beats Opponent #4 Soulkey beats Opponent #4 Soulkey faces Life/Leenock and hopes his opponent is worn-out so he can squeeze out a victory
On November 09 2012 14:05 GWdeathscythe wrote: actually not a dumb pick... all kespa zergs seems to have a great zvz in sc2.
Then pick Sniper lol... why would you poke leenoctopus
yeah lol maybe he want to give us the best of zvz... life has sick one, as leenock, as soulkey.. last zerg pick will be doomed (assuming that group will be all z).
HyuN's ZvZ is pretty good if he comes as FC HyuN
HyuN should just leave TSL and have FC sponsor him.
When terran is too strong, there are too many TvTs, because they win the brackets. When terran is too weak, there are too many TvTs, because terrans pick each other to avoid other races.
David Kim likes TvTs, so he makes sure terran is either OP or UP.
On November 09 2012 14:06 andaylin wrote: I don't think it's crazy of soulkey to pick zergs, his ZvZ looked decent in MLG.
He's not doing this out of confidence. At this point he's hoping that he can create a war of attrition within Group D where everyone kills everyone else and he miraculously gets out.
That doesn't really work since it is not round robin. Maybe in robin round, you want people knocking out each other.
Soulkey's thought process:
Soulkey loses to Life Leenock beats Opponent #4 Soulkey beats Opponent #4 Soulkey faces Life/Leenock and hopes his opponent is worn-out so he can squeeze out a victory
Wouldn't it be easier to pick a weaker opponent? Opponent #4 will be one of the last picks so not going to be easy...
On November 09 2012 14:06 andaylin wrote: I don't think it's crazy of soulkey to pick zergs, his ZvZ looked decent in MLG.
He's not doing this out of confidence. At this point he's hoping that he can create a war of attrition within Group D where everyone kills everyone else and he miraculously gets out.
That doesn't really work since it is not round robin. Maybe in robin round, you want people knocking out each other.
Soulkey's thought process:
Soulkey loses to Life Leenock beats Opponent #4 Soulkey beats Opponent #4 Soulkey faces Life/Leenock and hopes his opponent is worn-out so he can squeeze out a victory
Wouldn't it be easier to pick a weaker opponent? Opponent #4 will be one of the last picks so not going to be easy...
As we've seen, the last picks are not necessarily the strongest ones. He might be hoping that it's a terran (Soulkey is good at ZvT) or a zerg with weaker ZvZ.
On November 09 2012 14:06 andaylin wrote: I don't think it's crazy of soulkey to pick zergs, his ZvZ looked decent in MLG.
He's not doing this out of confidence. At this point he's hoping that he can create a war of attrition within Group D where everyone kills everyone else and he miraculously gets out.
That doesn't really work since it is not round robin. Maybe in robin round, you want people knocking out each other.
Soulkey's thought process:
Soulkey loses to Life Leenock beats Opponent #4 Soulkey beats Opponent #4 Soulkey faces Life/Leenock and hopes his opponent is worn-out so he can squeeze out a victory
Wouldn't it be easier to pick a weaker opponent? Opponent #4 will be one of the last picks so not going to be easy...
As we've seen, the last picks are not necessarily the strongest ones. He might be hoping that it's a terran (Soulkey is good at ZvT) or a zerg with weaker ZvZ.
Why risk it when you can garantee yourself a terran to begin with....
On November 09 2012 14:06 andaylin wrote: I don't think it's crazy of soulkey to pick zergs, his ZvZ looked decent in MLG.
He's not doing this out of confidence. At this point he's hoping that he can create a war of attrition within Group D where everyone kills everyone else and he miraculously gets out.
That doesn't really work since it is not round robin. Maybe in robin round, you want people knocking out each other.
Soulkey's thought process:
Soulkey loses to Life Leenock beats Opponent #4 Soulkey beats Opponent #4 Soulkey faces Life/Leenock and hopes his opponent is worn-out so he can squeeze out a victory
Wouldn't it be easier to pick a weaker opponent? Opponent #4 will be one of the last picks so not going to be easy...
As we've seen, the last picks are not necessarily the strongest ones. He might be hoping that it's a terran (Soulkey is good at ZvT) or a zerg with weaker ZvZ.
Why risk it when you can garantee yourself a terran to begin with....
You may have noticed that Soulkey wasn't exactly calm about being picked. Also if the terran wins, he'll be squashed by Life.
On November 09 2012 14:22 neoghaleon55 wrote: Creator playing into DRG's hands MWHAHAHAHAHHA
Will DRG pull a MVP here? (claiming he expected this to happen and this is all in his plans) Stay tuned to find out!
MVP actually told someone what he expected his group to be before the nominations and was right. Though it didn't matter cause he then got upset by Gumiho >_>
oh..derp Leenock gets the last man standing. ZvZ group confirmed >.>
My guess is.....Symbol. Unless Yoda has balls of steel and wants revenge or something. Which would be a shame as I wanted Leenock,Life, and Symbol to hang in there to the bitter end. On a brighter note, we might have the 3 most entertaining Zergs atm in the same group + a wild soulkey.
On November 09 2012 14:26 snorlax1 wrote: Ryung is done man, as much as I want him to get to next round, I dun think he can beat Creator and DRG
All he has to do is beat the person he picks... twice (assuming they don't go out first).
And to think he was THIS close to getting out (aka being in tvtvtvt group) he said he didnt even practice for Life. I mean it is life but still every zerg (except soulkey imo) is very strong, not sure what his out will be.
MAYBE he will gain power from his fallen slayers and pick sniper whom he then beats twice to get to Ro8 :O I believe!
Looks like the T made a pact to avoid picking zergs to guarantee their representation into Ro8. That or they are scared. Who are the potential Royal Roaders this season?
On November 09 2012 14:34 Havik_ wrote: Gon be a ZvZ final, and probably a ZvZvZvZ Ro4. I hope Blizzard is watching.
ZvZvZvZ Ro4, then a ZvZ final, a scary scenario
Maybe. That's what they get though when they overlap GSL with another major tournament. I seriously hate that shit. Its not like nobody was going to watch IPL5 so they had to get GSL in there to keep people's interest.
On November 09 2012 14:30 RainMore wrote: Is it bad that I'm not interested in watching any of these groups?
You probably should go hit the bar or play skyrim or something then...
If no group in Ro16 looks interesting, time to find a new hobby
It's probably due to the fact that I'll completely miss the quarterfinals and beyond, but I don't see any interesting stories in these groups (though if Hyun gets in group D that might be interesting).
On November 09 2012 14:41 TommyP wrote: Hyun is going to have a field day with all those Terrans.
I love John's Yoda voice too.
He looked like one of the weakest ZvTs in the ro32. Losing to Yoda and coming very close to losing to Gumiho. I think he got super lucky with Rain forfeiting.
On November 09 2012 14:41 TommyP wrote: Hyun is going to have a field day with all those Terrans.
I love John's Yoda voice too.
He looked like one of the weakest ZvTs in the ro32. Losing to Yoda and coming very close to losing to Gumiho. I think he got super lucky with Rain forfeiting.
maybe gom will let him play online and then he can beat that group with his eyes closed.
On November 09 2012 14:45 Goshdarnit wrote: Such a shame, If Sniper was in Group D we could have seen the all time most brutal ZvZ group ever thought of... annnd Soulkey XD
Ehhh. I think if Curious had gone into Group D it would've been even worse. He's sitting on a 72% win-rate in ZvZ against Life's 74%.
On November 09 2012 14:46 FakeDeath wrote: Group D confirmed group of death.
Group of death and yet... the group to miss.
Now most people talk about ZvZ suck just out of habit. It's probably 3rd best match up since queen patch and Life Leenock both are extremely entertaining ZvZ player
On November 09 2012 14:45 stuchiu wrote: So Life Leenock and Symbol, probably the 3 best zergs in one group. That sucks.
So far as I can tell Sniper is better at ZvZ than symbol.
Symbol seems especially scary when he preps. Not to mention he has a team full of Zergs. Life will probably come out 1st still, but Symbol is very cerebral so he could pull the upset with some innovative ZvZ. His play against Roro was quite impressive as well. Loved the nydus worms.
On November 09 2012 14:45 Goshdarnit wrote: Such a shame, If Sniper was in Group D we could have seen the all time most brutal ZvZ group ever thought of... annnd Soulkey XD
Ehhh. I think if Curious had gone into Group D it would've been even worse. He's sitting on a 72% win-rate in ZvZ against Life's 74%.
Well I guess I was being a bit dramatic. I think Hyun is as good zvz as sniper or symbol also. I'm just saying that Sniper would have made the group more infamous. Curious would have just made it silly!
On November 09 2012 14:46 FakeDeath wrote: Group D confirmed group of death.
Group of death and yet... the group to miss.
Now most people talk about ZvZ suck just out of habit. It's probably 3rd best match up since queen patch and Life Leenock both are extremely entertaining ZvZ player
I watch almost everything, regardless of whether I think it's boring, and I don't know... it's so weird how uninteresting I find non-T matchups, and it's getting worse.
Hmm.... so no terran or protoss player picked a zerg player. It seems to reinforce the complaints everyone said about playing against zerg in interviews.
On November 09 2012 14:53 Orome wrote: Did whoever picked for Life give an explanation for picking Soulkey? SK's no slouch ZvZ. And did Soulkey say why he's picking Leenock of all people?
Curious picked for Life and deemed Soulkey as Code A level.
On November 09 2012 14:53 Orome wrote: Did whoever picked for Life give an explanation for picking Soulkey? SK's no slouch ZvZ. And did Soulkey say why he's picking Leenock of all people?
Curious picked for Life and deemed Soulkey as Code A level.
10/10. I'm now watching this when I get home for Curious.
On November 09 2012 15:00 Havik_ wrote: I hope you like 6 pools.
You mean 10 pool yeah? Safest build in the game in Life's world =P
Besides. Leenock and Symbol are much more RoachInfestor ZvZ players. Unsure about SK.
I'm actually really really looking forward to this group. ZvZ has really gotten more interesting lately with stylistic players like Leenock and Life. I was invested into their finals series. Such a difference from Nestea vs Losira over a year ago.
So, no non Zerg actually picked a Zerg until they had no choice. I think this kind of shows what the Korean pros thinking of zergs right now. I know people complain when Koreans talked about it in interviews (when they are specifically asked a question). But this just shows that Korean terrans and Protoss are just having a very tough time with zerg right now.
On November 09 2012 15:00 Havik_ wrote: I hope you like 6 pools.
You mean 10 pool yeah? Safest build in the game in Life's world =P
Besides. Leenock and Symbol are much more RoachInfestor ZvZ players. Unsure about SK.
I'm actually really really looking forward to this group. ZvZ has really gotten more interesting lately with stylistic players like Leenock and Life. I was invested into their finals series. Such a difference from Nestea vs Losira over a year ago.
It will be interesting with the map pool, big large macro maps make for some long ZvZ's
On November 09 2012 15:00 Havik_ wrote: I hope you like 6 pools.
You mean 10 pool yeah? Safest build in the game in Life's world =P
Besides. Leenock and Symbol are much more RoachInfestor ZvZ players. Unsure about SK.
I'm actually really really looking forward to this group. ZvZ has really gotten more interesting lately with stylistic players like Leenock and Life. I was invested into their finals series. Such a difference from Nestea vs Losira over a year ago.
It will be interesting with the map pool, big large macro maps make for some long ZvZ's
I long to see silly bl/infestor vs. bl/infestor games, broodlings flying at each other trying to nom on infestors, fungals on broodlings and bls, a tech switch into ultras for one player + nydus across the map.
On November 09 2012 15:00 Havik_ wrote: I hope you like 6 pools.
You mean 10 pool yeah? Safest build in the game in Life's world =P
Besides. Leenock and Symbol are much more RoachInfestor ZvZ players. Unsure about SK.
I'm actually really really looking forward to this group. ZvZ has really gotten more interesting lately with stylistic players like Leenock and Life. I was invested into their finals series. Such a difference from Nestea vs Losira over a year ago.
It will be interesting with the map pool, big large macro maps make for some long ZvZ's
I long to see silly bl/infestor vs. bl/infestor games, broodlings flying at each other trying to nom on infestors, fungals on broodlings and bls, a tech switch into ultras for one player + nydus across the map.
A decent amount of ladder ZvZ on KR have already turned into this. It's hard to describe how ridiculous it is, you really have to see it for yourself.
On November 09 2012 15:20 ZeromuS wrote: So, did the zergs pick eachother so that they can guarantee fewer zergs in the top 8? I mean really?
Life said he wanted a group of only zergs, picked Soulkey who was apparantly happy to comply and was ballsy enough to pick Leenock, whom in return was not so keen on the idea, but he ended up being the last player able to pick anyone so he didn't have any choice other than to take Symbol.
On November 09 2012 15:00 Havik_ wrote: I hope you like 6 pools.
You mean 10 pool yeah? Safest build in the game in Life's world =P
Besides. Leenock and Symbol are much more RoachInfestor ZvZ players. Unsure about SK.
I'm actually really really looking forward to this group. ZvZ has really gotten more interesting lately with stylistic players like Leenock and Life. I was invested into their finals series. Such a difference from Nestea vs Losira over a year ago.
It will be interesting with the map pool, big large macro maps make for some long ZvZ's
I long to see silly bl/infestor vs. bl/infestor games, broodlings flying at each other trying to nom on infestors, fungals on broodlings and bls, a tech switch into ultras for one player + nydus across the map.
A decent amount of ladder ZvZ on KR have already turned into this. It's hard to describe how ridiculous it is, you really have to see it for yourself.
I've only seen one ZvZ ever make it to Hive Tech. I think it was in IPL TAC once....
Good to get some of the ZvZs out of the way before the ro8 I guess. Am I the only one who feel like this seasons code S ro16 is way less packed with exciting talent than the last one?
On November 09 2012 16:27 kyllinghest wrote: Good to get some of the ZvZs out of the way before the ro8 I guess. Am I the only one who feel like this seasons code S ro16 is way less packed with exciting talent than the last one?
No. Every aspect of this season has been below the previous so far; The 'starpower' of the players, the quality of the games themselves, and the racial balance.
Group D is exactly what this tournament needed to stabilise the race distribution in the later stages but the flipside of the coin all the heavy hitting Terrans are placed together in Group B and the remaining dark-horses are in Group C.
Is it safe to say whoever tops Group D is the rightful owner of the best ZvZer in the world? - I'd say 3/4 of them are the top 4 in the world with Nerchio missing to complete the top 4.
On November 09 2012 16:42 NightOfTheDead wrote: Bahahahaha! Group D. Enough said. On a serious note GSL is getting better and better, no sarcasm. Wow, this will be TvT fest in group B and Group Z.
On November 09 2012 16:57 chuminh wrote: Without SKT Rain, there is little hope for Toss ). Although I am zerg and I hate toss. Expect another Zerg to crown the champion
On November 09 2012 16:42 NightOfTheDead wrote: Bahahahaha! Group D. Enough said. On a serious note GSL is getting better and better, no sarcasm. Wow, this will be TvT fest in group B and Group Z.
A group with 4 zergs will be a TvT fest?
Does group B have 4 zergs? Or 'group zerg' needs further explanation?
I feel like Group A and C are the 'standard' or 'legit' Ro16 groups. Group B is kinda the wildcard/darkhorse group where two of the four weaker players (sans possibly MKP) in the Ro16 get a lucky crack at the Ro8. Group D is the amazing ZvZ knife fight.
Yay so happy most of the Zergs will be eliminating each other, if I get lucky Hyun will probably be crushed by MKP and Yoda too to fall out and DRG and Creator will advance
On November 09 2012 17:50 Fjodorov wrote: How the hell did group D manage to screw itself like that? Soulkey picking Leenock? suicide much?
Life said he wanted it to be like this ^^
haha ok. But Sniper being picked as 11th? Didnt see that coming considering he didnt look very strong in his ZvT (!) against marineking. Ryung picking curious instead of sniper is strange
On November 09 2012 17:50 Fjodorov wrote: How the hell did group D manage to screw itself like that? Soulkey picking Leenock? suicide much?
Life said he wanted it to be like this ^^
haha ok. But Sniper being picked as 11th? Didnt see that coming considering he didnt look very strong in his ZvT (!) against marineking. Ryung picking curious instead of sniper is strange
On November 09 2012 17:50 Fjodorov wrote: How the hell did group D manage to screw itself like that? Soulkey picking Leenock? suicide much?
Life said he wanted it to be like this ^^
haha ok. But Sniper being picked as 11th? Didnt see that coming considering he didnt look very strong in his ZvT (!) against marineking. Ryung picking curious instead of sniper is strange
it was mostly an act of kindness as Curious was kinda begging Ryung to pick him as all other groups had StarTale players and he didn't want to teamkill
also Ryung said that he'll need to beat the stronger players eventually anyway if he wants to get far so he might as well get it over with
On November 09 2012 18:02 HaXXspetten wrote: also Ryung said that he'll need to beat the stronger players eventually anyway if he wants to get far so he might as well get it over with
Pro SC2 players have surprisingly poor logic. Ro8 means automatic qualification, while exit in Ro16 means potentially Up and Down. JYP and Heart found that out last year.
I was hoping that Leenock would be able to secure himself an easy enough group, but Soulkey put an end to that.
The Terrans (except Ryung) probably can't believe their luck with the groups.
Also as much as I love John as a personality, I really missed having Snowbird translating today. Season 4's group selection was the most enjoyable one I've watched due to the increased information. I hope Gom looks into a professional translator in the future.
On November 09 2012 18:02 HaXXspetten wrote: also Ryung said that he'll need to beat the stronger players eventually anyway if he wants to get far so he might as well get it over with
Pro SC2 players have surprisingly poor logic. Ro8 means automatic qualification, while exit in Ro16 means potentially Up and Down. JYP and Heart found that out last year.
Not to mention that there's always the chance the "stronger" player may get upset so you don't even run into them. The mentality of "might as well get it over with" is not really playing to win. Maybe worthy of praise for having the spirit of a warrior but in the end, a gun is better than a sword.
On November 09 2012 17:55 TheBB wrote: DRG has balls. I'm not sure I like it. It didn't work for him last time. Did he give any reason for picking Creator?
He beat him pretty badly in Ro32. So I am sure that factored in.
On November 09 2012 18:02 HaXXspetten wrote: also Ryung said that he'll need to beat the stronger players eventually anyway if he wants to get far so he might as well get it over with
Pro SC2 players have surprisingly poor logic. Ro8 means automatic qualification, while exit in Ro16 means potentially Up and Down. JYP and Heart found that out last year.
I am not sure you can really believe the reasoning they give in group selection. Maybe they see a weakness or just more comfortable playing a certain style. Ro8 also means more money and exposure.
On November 09 2012 16:42 NightOfTheDead wrote: Bahahahaha! Group D. Enough said. On a serious note GSL is getting better and better, no sarcasm. Wow, this will be TvT fest in group B and Group Z.
A group with 4 zergs will be a TvT fest?
Does group B have 4 zergs? Or 'group zerg' needs further explanation?
"Wow, this will be TvT fest in group B and Group Z."
Life > Soulkey Leenock < Symbol Life > Symbol Leenock < Soulkey Symbol > Soulkey
Life and Symbol advance.
All in all, I think group D has the most potential for upsets - it's all ZvZ, we know most of the KeSPA pros are pretty good at mirror match-ups, and Life, Leenock and Symbol all have excellent ZvZ. I want to believe Life'll cruise through ezpz, but with a group like this there really is no being sure. It'll be an interesting group for sure.
Life > Soulkey Leenock < Symbol Life > Symbol Leenock < Soulkey Symbol > Soulkey
Life and Symbol advance.
All in all, I think group D has the most potential for upsets - it's all ZvZ, we know most of the KeSPA pros are pretty good at mirror match-ups, and Life, Leenock and Symbol all have excellent ZvZ. I want to believe Life'll cruise through ezpz, but with a group like this there really is no being sure. It'll be an interesting group for sure.
This nomination process is a terrible way to run a tournament. Group D is stacked. That means the round of 16 could have better matches than the finals if some scrub gets through a weaker group. . .
Life > Soulkey Leenock < Symbol Life > Symbol Leenock < Soulkey Symbol > Soulkey
Life and Symbol advance.
All in all, I think group D has the most potential for upsets - it's all ZvZ, we know most of the KeSPA pros are pretty good at mirror match-ups, and Life, Leenock and Symbol all have excellent ZvZ. I want to believe Life'll cruise through ezpz, but with a group like this there really is no being sure. It'll be an interesting group for sure.
You don't really like Leenock do you?
Actually, I really like Leenock and I want him to advance - but I need a few upsets!
Life > Soulkey Leenock < Symbol Life > Symbol Leenock < Soulkey Symbol > Soulkey
Life and Symbol advance.
All in all, I think group D has the most potential for upsets - it's all ZvZ, we know most of the KeSPA pros are pretty good at mirror match-ups, and Life, Leenock and Symbol all have excellent ZvZ. I want to believe Life'll cruise through ezpz, but with a group like this there really is no being sure. It'll be an interesting group for sure.
You don't really like Leenock do you?
Actually, I really like Leenock and I want him to advance - but I need a few upsets!
Life > Soulkey Leenock < Symbol Life > Symbol Leenock < Soulkey Symbol > Soulkey
Life and Symbol advance.
All in all, I think group D has the most potential for upsets - it's all ZvZ, we know most of the KeSPA pros are pretty good at mirror match-ups, and Life, Leenock and Symbol all have excellent ZvZ. I want to believe Life'll cruise through ezpz, but with a group like this there really is no being sure. It'll be an interesting group for sure.
You don't really like Leenock do you?
Actually, I really like Leenock and I want him to advance - but I need a few upsets!
I`d prefer YoDa / Hack over MKP, lol
I don't know, despite being a Startale fan I'm not sure Hack can cut it. YoDa, sure - Mvp did hype him up considerably, and he didn't look half bad in Ro32.
Group D is ridiculous. :D Anyway, I'll enjoy it! Might've been even better with Curious in it instead of Soulkey, but it's damn good nontheless. Both Life and Leenock showcased excellent ZvZ at MLG (and previous events), Symbol's good at it as well and Soulkey kinda surprised me (in a positive way) @ MLG, too.
LOL at that all zerg group. Didn't Life say he wanted all the zergs to drop out early because the match up hurts his hands or something. BANG, at least two guaranteed bo3 ZvZ's for him.
On November 09 2012 14:46 FakeDeath wrote: Group D confirmed group of death.
Group of death and yet... the group to miss.
Laughed and cheered at this. To the guy who said top level ZvZ is actually nice to watch: glad you enjoy it. To a protoss spectator like me, it's like watching the normal amount of fungal bullshit multiplied by 2.
Surprised how little credit Soulkey is getting for his ZvZ, I could see him taking first in that group his engagement positioning and thus cost effective trading is on another level.
On November 09 2012 23:54 NotSorry wrote: Surprised how little credit Soulkey is getting for his ZvZ, I could see him taking first in that group his engagement positioning and thus cost effective trading is on another level.
He literally have one impressive ZvZ game so far, and that's beating DRG when everyone was beating DRG. He certainly could but unless he actually does it he would be underdog in all 3 match.
Oops was thinking Effort, don't recall any impressive ZvZ from Soulkey
On November 09 2012 23:54 NotSorry wrote: Surprised how little credit Soulkey is getting for his ZvZ, I could see him taking first in that group his engagement positioning and thus cost effective trading is on another level.
He literally have one impressive ZvZ game so far, and that's beating DRG when everyone was beating DRG. He certainly could but unless he actually does it he would be underdog in all 3 match.
When did he beat DRG? I know Effort took him out in WCS and Roro took him out in code A after he threw away 2 games. Don't recall DRG encountering Soulkey though.
Did Life intentionally make an all Z group in order to cut the number of Zs in future rounds for the overall health of GSL and the game? He said in interviews earlier that he did not want to play ZvZ. Did GOM pressure him into doing this, or is he just being a baller? Did he pick Soulkey because he'll be EZ and then Leenock for an extention of MLG rivalry?
On November 10 2012 01:27 Gescom wrote: Did Life intentionally make an all Z group in order to cut the number of Zs in future rounds for the overall health of GSL and the game? He said in interviews earlier that he did not want to play ZvZ. Did GOM pressure him into doing this, or is he just being a baller? Did he pick Soulkey because he'll be EZ and then Leenock for an extention of MLG rivalry?
I think he's just doing it to be baller. I really hope Leenock vs Life turns into a rivalry for top zerg Code A Season 3 Leenock 2-0 Life
MLG Leenock 3-4 Life
GSTL Semifinals FXO vs Startale (possibly the ace match between them)
Code S Ro16 same group
They seem to be really close in skill so it should be exciting!
On November 10 2012 01:41 Rui.S wrote: Life didnt pick, he wasnt there and curious picked soulkey for him
He told Curious to pick Soulkey because he is only Code A level and that he would be fine with forming a 4 zerg group
Only group b doesn't look scary -.- why do the Koreans have so much ego...shouldn't they be aiming to make their group the easiest? Group B I see Yoda on top or Hyun...parting advance, life advance, creator advance Parting and creator bias right here hehe
Group D = Group of Death? or... Group of Zerg. 5x ZvZ Bo3's. I hope terran players can appreciate this as what we had to sit through for a long time of GomTvT.
On November 10 2012 02:43 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: Group D = Group of Death? or... Group of Zerg. 5x ZvZ Bo3's. I hope terran players can appreciate this as what we had to sit through for a long time of GomTvT.
So instead of marines being microed you prefer marines not being microed?
Soulkey and Life saving Zergkind from nerfs, now D.Kim can point to numbers and say there aren't too many Z making it deep, haha.
My predicitions: DRG + Curious: DRG has been on recovery lately and Curious has been silently strong for a year or so. Creator's PvZ didn't look very good lately and Ryung made it to Ro16 only with luck. MKP + Hyun: MKP got the easiest group he could have wished for, and this might be Hyun's chance to get rid of his infamous GSL shakyness. Yoda is strong and might cause an offset (as IM fan I'm hoping for that), but I still think MKP is stronger than him. Hack one of the weaker Code S players. Parting + Polt: Parting is my hope for Aiur, and he seems to be the only P who has enough Soul for PvZ right now, coupled with his traditionally strong PvT he should make it. Polt's been solid lately - but so is Sniper, I guess it's a toss up between the two. Bogus without chances imo, unless Major is right after all, but he didn't convince me yet. Life + Leenock: lol, what a group. I think those two are the strongest ZvZers right now, but wouldn't surprise me to see Symbol live up to his crashed hype train. Soulkey sacrificed himself for the swarm I guess.
On November 10 2012 03:09 ragz_gt wrote: I'd rather have ZvZ than ZvT / ZvP now.
Rumors has it that ZvZ meta on Korean ladder might be transitioning into BL+Infestor turtle games right now. You might regret that statement when that meta shift makes it into the GSL booths.
On November 10 2012 03:09 ragz_gt wrote: I'd rather have ZvZ than ZvT / ZvP now.
Rumors has it that ZvZ meta on Korean ladder might be transitioning into BL+Infestor turtle games right now. You might regret that statement when that meta shift makes it into the GSL booths.
At least it would be equally OP on each side, that's a big improvement on other MU
On November 10 2012 03:09 ragz_gt wrote: I'd rather have ZvZ than ZvT / ZvP now.
Rumors has it that ZvZ meta on Korean ladder might be transitioning into BL+Infestor turtle games right now. You might regret that statement when that meta shift makes it into the GSL booths.
At least it would be equally OP on each side, that's a big improvement on other MU
Oh wow Group Z is just insane, expect some of the highest quality ZvZ on the planet in that group. Other groups look really good as well, and it is a little easy to pick some favorites, but being Koreans, they could upset.
Group A: DRG, Creator/Curious (Oh come on, Curious has to make Ro8 at least once in his career) Group B: HyuN, MKP/YoDa (HyuN only needs to practice his ZvT which he excels at, and MKP can shine with his good TvT, but YoDa could dark horse out) Group C: PartinG, Polt (Neither Sniper or INoVation really seem to threaten the two P's, and they are simply better than the other two) Group Z: Life, Leenock/Symbol (Oh wowowowowowow, this group is sooo insane. Life is the obvious favorite here with his top-tier ZvZ, and Leenock is just on a rampage recently. Really do not expect Symbol to come out alive, but his ZvZ is more inconsistent than bad. If he can practice and stay calm, Symbol has a decent chance)
TSL Fanboyism: Good chances for 2/3 of the TSL players to advance, but Symbol is in such a hard spot it is hard to tell whether he can even advance second. I really hope that Symbol can get past, Polt doesn't mess up, and HyuN takes GSL with less overconfidence, then we can potentially see all three TSL players in Ro8.
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