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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1161
That awkward moment when you realize you are severely tech lab deficient.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1162
and now leenock lost his ultras
Moderatorlickypiddy
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1163
LOL here take 5 ultras
Mmm, what to watch.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1164
?????
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1165
Dat bad rally...
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1166
On October 04 2012 19:28 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:23 opterown wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:22 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:20 SolidMustard wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:17 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:11 opterown wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:10 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:08 opterown wrote:
hey tasteless, whirlwind is 50-50 ZvT

statstics do not denote balance.

the roach all in/timing was pretty weak from leenock, fairly simple game for taeja ~

how else are you supposed to determine balance? haha

its incredibly hard to do determain balance. you need serious in depth game/replay analysis

Stats are affected by player strength, and if a player is better, they will go further in a tournament so they will affect the stats more than any other player. if MVP goes 16-0 and wins the GSL, terran will probably be favored that month in the match up, doesnt mean its imba, just means MVP is the best player.


Long-term statistics are not affected by this

yes but long term statistics dont take into account meta game shifts (which can change balance) nor patches. If you look at a 3 month period, it could have been T favored first month, zerg favored 2nd month, and balacned third month, so stats say 50% the whole time. Seriously, stats mean nothing

they're still the best thing we have for determining balance, i see no other way to reliably determine balance, unless we have a pro who is equally top KR GM in all races and is unbiased.

why do we have to decide balance? if we dont have a reliable method of determing balance, is it not best to just say "we dont know"
also you dont need a top KR GM to tell it for us and playing all races doesnt mean you arent biased towards a race.

because stats are always useful to see =]

sure they are interesting, but they dont have any reliable relation to balance
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1167
No words... those Ultras, god damn.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1168
Uh, what?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
ichnaschekot
Profile Joined January 2011
380 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1169
Those preemptive MULE-drops

Leenock, show us why my Liquibet was on you!
Krossfire
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia1071 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1170
this game so sloppy
For the Swarm * DRG *
Labbetuss
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway568 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1171
The worst rally in the history of the world.
MKP | HerO | Taeja | NonY | Creator | NesTea | Bomber | Mvp | Prime 4 ever
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33700 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1172
he's going to mule again because he's embarassed and he wants to prove he did it on purpose
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1173
haha oh my god
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1174
4 ultras
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1175
what the f, nice ultra micro T_T
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1176
It'll be hilarious if Taeja loses from here :D
AdministratorBreak the chains
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1177
Leenock returning the favor with the bad rally
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3772 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1178
On October 04 2012 19:22 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 19:19 Tsubbi wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:18 bittman wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:17 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:17 DizzySheep wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:15 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
On October 04 2012 19:14 billywayne wrote:
wow guys, one cheese in a bo5 is kinda normal


Cheese from a Terran is normal. Zerg don't really have much of an equivalent I don't think.


I guess u missed Mvp vs Symbol.


I did. Synopsis?


Symbol won with cheese. MVP won the rest in near-maxed fashion with dominating performances


scouting 3 cc before gas and punishing it isnt cheese


Yes it is...
It pains me so much when people say stuff like this. Cheese isn't a bad thing. Every pro player does and should do it from time to time.

Not it isn't (If I understand correctly that you consider punishing greedy 3 CC before gas a cheese). Unless - of course - our undestanding of the term is different, as for me cheesing is blindly going for all-in type strategy in the early game. Punishing 3rd CC is different as it is not blind but rather counter play.
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1179
You have to be kidding me :|
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
DHNordell
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden13 Posts
October 04 2012 10:32 GMT
#1180
Dat rally point. Oh my lawd!
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