I like it how the predictions sometimes favour KeSpa pros and sometimes GOM players. Same with the results. This facing on equal height is the best for eSports.
i kinda cheer for best against flash, even thou i normally like the terran to win but then next week flash / mc matters even more which would be fun to watch
I dont think I am exaggerating when I say that this was a beautiful game by rain. He is already so ridiculously good I wouldnt be surprised to see him in code s pretty soon. His control, macro and decision making is top notch.
I'm worried for SKT. With Bisu seemingly starting to play better now, and Sun already being the new shining star that fangirls scream for, it is bound to get messy :OO
On September 05 2012 19:38 The KY wrote: So DRG is gonna lose this right? Slumping former champion vs (some say) the best of the elephants?
Called it. Kinda hate when zergs just make a bunch of spines before they have broods thinking 'oh yeah no way the protoss army can barrel through here with almost no losses. I can just hold them with fungals and spines.'
Yeah good idea. Hold colossus balls with spine crawlers.
On September 05 2012 19:55 Djagulingu wrote: Sun is shining. I don't know if I should be enjoying this because Sun won and I have BW roots or griefing because I play Zerg and DRG lost. T_T.
You should feel grief because there may well be no Z in ro8 with NesTea pretty much dead and buried and DRG now having to beat MKP to advance.
Got a fair bit done with his phoenixes, a large number of ovies, 3 queens (that last one at the nat was a nice bait), a fair few drones. The zealot warpins at the end were a nice touch. Outplayed DRG pretty hard.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
When the phoenixes died, Dongraegu had almost no units and not that much Infestor energy; Dongraegue was vulnerable for a several-minute window, which Rain hit.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
So you're just a troll then. I have no idea what his personality is, I can't understand what he is saying, have no idea what he just said in his interviews etc etc. How can you possibly know what his personality is?
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
What do you know about his personality, anyway?
And here goes the usual crap with "prove it or never happend". Love this smart-ass community. I express MY feelings about him, if u really think I need any prove for that ... jesus u are freakin stupid.
edit: and here it goes, BW fanboys flaming around like big boys.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
You don't even know him. He's probably a fun kid, who knows. His starcraft skills are what matters anyway. 'Faceless' is something i'd expect from a closet racist.
On September 05 2012 19:55 Djagulingu wrote: Sun is shining. I don't know if I should be enjoying this because Sun won and I have BW roots or griefing because I play Zerg and DRG lost. T_T.
You should feel grief because there may well be no Z in ro8 with NesTea pretty much dead and buried and DRG now having to beat MKP to advance.
LOL only MKP? I'm OK with that. DRG is going to go DongRapeGu mode and win. Even when ZvT was the leading cause of cancer among SC2 fans, DRG was facerolling MKP.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
You don't even know him. He's probably a fun kid, who knows. His starcraft skills are what matters anyway. 'Faceless' is something i'd expect from a closet racist.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
He was smiling through the entire interview. Just because you dont understand what he is saying doesnt me he has no personality.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
What do you know about his personality, anyway?
And here goes the usual crap with "prove it or never happend". Love this smart-ass community. I express MY feelings about him, if u really think I need any prove for that ... jesus u are freakin stupid.
edit: and here it goes, BW fanboys flaming around like big boys.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
He was smiling through the entire interview. Just because you dont understand what he is saying doesnt me he has no personality.
He was speaking that silly ching-chong ping-pong talk.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
Rain is professional when he is on his JOB! He is different in his free time for sure.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
He was smiling through the entire interview. Just because you dont understand what he is saying doesnt me he has no personality.
Lol ... its awesome how many fanboys just fanboy it out for the sake of it. SC2 has a fuckin big problem. It has failed in Korea. And it will fail over here too if we have more koreans like him Rain, Creator or recently Life. Those guys just don't show any kind of what people are looking for to get emotionally bound to.
But hey I get it, you guys will just flame everyone who express his opinion which is not equal to yours. Calling others ignorant with that attiutde doesnt deserve more than: retards.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
What do you know about his personality, anyway?
And here goes the usual crap with "prove it or never happend". Love this smart-ass community. I express MY feelings about him, if u really think I need any prove for that ... jesus u are freakin stupid.
edit: and here it goes, BW fanboys flaming around like big boys.
On September 05 2012 20:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Why do you have to feed him so badly? Soon this will turn into a racial debate. Geez stfu and discuss how Fantasy will tear a new path to Oz.
On September 05 2012 20:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Why do you have to feed him so badly? Soon this will turn into a racial debate. Geez stfu and discuss how Fantasy will tear a new path to Oz.
I never brought up ANY thing that has to do with nationality. But its quite funny to see how you guys jump to conclusions. And its even more stunning that you throw around with those words so easly.
On September 05 2012 20:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Why do you have to feed him so badly? Soon this will turn into a racial debate. Geez stfu and discuss how Fantasy will tear a new path to Oz.
Will Fantasy use the yellow brick road?
My guess is he'll use the good old Blood Brick Road.
On September 05 2012 20:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Why do you have to feed him so badly? Soon this will turn into a racial debate. Geez stfu and discuss how Fantasy will tear a new path to Oz.
I never brought up ANY thing that has to do with nationality.
On September 05 2012 20:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Why do you have to feed him so badly? Soon this will turn into a racial debate. Geez stfu and discuss how Fantasy will tear a new path to Oz.
I never brought up ANY thing that has to do with nationality.
Rofl ... you seriously have some problems with YOUR nationality right? Did you counted the foreigners in OSL? And i could name you at least five (BEWARE RACISST SLANDER INCOMING) koreans,who have a good personality. But those are few and as it seems we get more and more of those (beware more racisism incoming) faceless koreans.
I'm talking about foreigner viewers only of course
sc2 osl is losing popularity fast and putting up the paywall is not helping them
as if they care about "foreigner viewer"
well they care enough to set up an english stream and a paywall for HD/vods, of course they don't need it as badly as Korean viewers but they do care about it.
On September 05 2012 20:01 Dodgin wrote: OSL is losing to Sheth streaming beta, =/ poor OGN.
oh ye, quite some millions watching OSL on cable tv compared to couple of thousands of sheth viewers.
MAN SHETH OWNED THOSE ELEPHANTS!!!!!!!!!1oneoneoneoneone!!!
I'm talking about foreigner viewers only of course
sc2 osl is losing popularity fast and putting up the paywall is not helping them
Moletrap hate + Day 1 problems + HotS beta hype + GSL going on at same time
Expected that OSL wouldn't haver the viewership Day 1 did but its sad it is already down to only a little after 1K. It was very short-sighted of OGN to put a subscription model this soon.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
On September 05 2012 20:07 bluQ wrote:
On September 05 2012 20:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Why do you have to feed him so badly? Soon this will turn into a racial debate. Geez stfu and discuss how Fantasy will tear a new path to Oz.
I never brought up ANY thing that has to do with nationality.
Rofl ... you seriously have some problems with YOUR nationality right? Did you counted the foreigners in OSL? And i could name you at least five (BEWARE RACISST SLANDER INCOMING) koreans,who have a good personality. But those are few and as it seems we get more and more of those (beware more racisism incoming) faceless koreans.
I was living in China and studied with koreans in my group. I can't say they were faceless and emotionless, they were all pretty nice teenagers like many europeans are. Same interests same talks. I didn't find them anyway different from myself or my friends, just that they were speaking korean language and, oh, the girls were damn pretty.
dun worry people when SC2 will start to only rely on foreign audience all Kespa/ESF players will get proper PR training (kinda like how Kespa showed themselves at MLG) and they will suddenly rediscover their lost PERSONALITY. And then we will call it a second coming of WWE.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
He was smiling through the entire interview. Just because you dont understand what he is saying doesnt me he has no personality.
Lol ... its awesome how many fanboys just fanboy it out for the sake of it. SC2 has a fuckin big problem. It has failed in Korea. And it will fail over here too if we have more koreans like him Rain, Creator or recently Life. Those guys just don't show any kind of what people are looking for to get emotionally bound to.
But hey I get it, you guys will just flame everyone who express his opinion which is not equal to yours. Calling others ignorant with that attiutde doesnt deserve more than: retards.
You think Creator is boring?
Just be honest. You don't know anything about these players and you are too lazy to try and learn about them and the korean SC scene. You are the problem, not the koreans.
BTW, I find the European scene pretty faceless other than the big guns (stephano, naniwa etc). Is it because they have no personality? No. It's because I have never tried to get into the scene, or learn about them.
Try actually learning about the players and their situations, and maybe you will appreciate them more.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
He was smiling through the entire interview. Just because you dont understand what he is saying doesnt me he has no personality.
Lol ... its awesome how many fanboys just fanboy it out for the sake of it. SC2 has a fuckin big problem. It has failed in Korea. And it will fail over here too if we have more koreans like him Rain, Creator or recently Life. Those guys just don't show any kind of what people are looking for to get emotionally bound to.
But hey I get it, you guys will just flame everyone who express his opinion which is not equal to yours. Calling others ignorant with that attiutde doesnt deserve more than: retards.
You think Creator is boring?
Just be honest. You don't know anything about these players and you are too lazy to try and learn about them and the korean SC scene. You are the problem, not the koreans.
BTW, I find the European scene pretty faceless other than the big guns (stephano, naniwa etc). Is it because they have no personality? No. It's because I have never tried to get into the scene, or learn about them.
Try actually learning about the players and their situations, and maybe you will appreciate them more.
Oh so MKP, DRG and MC for the three biggest exaplmes are just ... what? ... ummm ... different? It is funny that people come out and call me racists and yet you are the ones ONLY debating about it from a national point of view.
pretty nice move from oz with the deflecting of the drop, but the game was already over from the one attack, vs toss u always seem to ve like 2 bunkers at least :3
On September 05 2012 20:26 silent_owl wrote: Just in. What's happened so far? I saw Fanta lose. Did he at least play well?
Sun pretty much stomped DRG in the first game.
Oz did a sentry-immortal push similar to the one flying did against MVP on Ohana last week, Fantasy had stim but no bunkers and it felt like he kinda botched the fight to me, although it's kinda hard to call. Ended up losing a lot of SCVs and having to lift his expo to the main, was way too behind to do anything and just died eventually.
On September 05 2012 20:26 silent_owl wrote: Just in. What's happened so far? I saw Fanta lose. Did he at least play well?
Sun pretty much stomped DRG in the first game.
Oz did a sentry-immortal push similar to the one flying did against MVP on Ohana last week, Fantasy had stim but no bunkers and it felt like he kinda botched the fight to me, although it's kinda hard to call. Ended up losing a lot of SCVs and having to lift his expo to the main, was way too behind to do anything and just died eventually.
Not similar... In this he did an extremely greedy early expand opening which pretty much was the reason he won the game, he just chose Immortal push as the finisher instead of the many other numerous options he had.
The problem with paywalls is that OGN don't give a fuck about us, they just want our money, and if just 2k people pay 20$ a month, they get 40.000$ a month in total, which is far more than even 10k viewers would get based off adds, especially because they have to few games.
On September 05 2012 20:27 Aetherial wrote: I see a trend emerging... neither KESPA or eSF are dominating.
right now its more a meeting of different styles, people used to bo3 in bo1 and the other way round in the gsl. Strategies that were common some time ago, that got figured out people moved on to a point where the old stuff works again. Thats why most games look like a diamond player took over at some point of the game. Right now the secrecy and the system plays into the hand of the kespa players, but the esf players have the upper hand in experience, it equals itself out. But i guess in the end kespa players are a bit on top, because it looks like they won't attend to foreign events and spend more time training.
On September 05 2012 20:29 Jack_ wrote: Fantasy Why no bunkers??
Blame Boxer.
BoxeR? I would believe if you were talking about any other guy but BoxeR is an extraordinaire when it comes to bunkers.
I think in this instance it's definitely 'blame Flash'
Makes sense, but isn't the whole point of reactor double CC being able to fill numerous bunkers? Then salvage them in the midgame to make more barracks/another CC? Or am I saying that because I'm a noob shit who has no understanding about the game (well, I don't even play Terran and Fantasy is a progamer)? Or both? I don't know. That's why I am asking.
On September 05 2012 20:29 Jack_ wrote: Fantasy Why no bunkers??
Blame Boxer.
BoxeR? I would believe if you were talking about any other guy but BoxeR is an extraordinaire when it comes to bunkers.
I think in this instance it's definitely 'blame Flash'
Makes sense, but isn't the whole point of reactor double CC being able to fill numerous bunkers? Then salvage them in the midgame to make more barracks/another CC? Or am I saying that because I'm a noob shit who has no understanding about the game (well, I don't even play Terran and Fantasy is a progamer)? Or both? I don't know. That's why I am asking.
It's just a greedier version of the reactor expand to reflect the generally greedy gameplay we see nowadays.
The basic idea is that if Protoss scouts a reactor rax they are scared of all kinds of 1 base tech builds. Then instead you've just taken guys off gas and are expanding for an economy lead while toss covers their bases at home.
Double expand is the greedy option since Toss are no longer slowing their economy for 1 base builds and instead just FE and react anyway most of the time. In that case you can just try for an extra CC so that once again, while they may be playing more economically, they're still having to cover their bases while you power an economy lead and dominate the mid/late game.
Making and filling bunkers is definitely a very useful talent toi have though.
Paying for OSL gets you a maximum 59 games, and this might even cost 40$ because everything isn't done on one month.
For GSL, you get the following - Code S - Maximum 217 games Code A - Maximum 156 games Up N' Down - Around 40 games
Now, of course Code S and Code A can be cut down to 2/3 of what is listed because of 2-0's, 3-0's and so forth, same goes for OSL once in the playoffs. I'm also pretty sure that a GSL season is 25 or 30$? I don't recall, since I bought yearly ticket for 100$.
Also keep in mind, Proleague will probably be under the same paywall.
On September 05 2012 20:45 Qikz wrote: This guys paint skills are never consistant. Sometimes he can draw circles and othertimes it looks like something my 2 year old sister would draw :p
On September 05 2012 20:45 Hiea wrote: Paying for OSL gets you a maximum 59 games, and this might even cost 40$ because everything isn't done on one month.
For GSL, you get the following - Code S - Maximum 217 games Code A - Maximum 156 games Up N' Down - Around 40 games
Now, of course Code S and Code A can be cut down to 2/3 of what is listed because of 2-0's, 3-0's and so forth, same goes for OSL once in the playoffs. I'm also pretty sure that a GSL season is 25 or 30$? I don't recall, since I bought yearly ticket for 100$.
Also keep in mind, Proleague will probably be under the same paywall.
GSL is 15$ for a GSL season and 20$ for a GSTL season.
On September 05 2012 19:55 bluQ wrote: Rain such a boring faceless korean .... so many boring faceless koreans ...
Such ignorance, you don't know anything about him, don't understand his language, but can make such a sweeping statement about him....
Wtf? Why is it irgnorant if i express my feeling about this player? God you lil "flame-for-the-sake" kiddos really should stfu sometimes. He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie.
He was smiling through the entire interview. Just because you dont understand what he is saying doesnt me he has no personality.
Lol ... its awesome how many fanboys just fanboy it out for the sake of it. SC2 has a fuckin big problem. It has failed in Korea. And it will fail over here too if we have more koreans like him Rain, Creator or recently Life. Those guys just don't show any kind of what people are looking for to get emotionally bound to.
But hey I get it, you guys will just flame everyone who express his opinion which is not equal to yours. Calling others ignorant with that attiutde doesnt deserve more than: retards.
You think Creator is boring?
Just be honest. You don't know anything about these players and you are too lazy to try and learn about them and the korean SC scene. You are the problem, not the koreans.
BTW, I find the European scene pretty faceless other than the big guns (stephano, naniwa etc). Is it because they have no personality? No. It's because I have never tried to get into the scene, or learn about them.
Try actually learning about the players and their situations, and maybe you will appreciate them more.
Oh so MKP, DRG and MC for the three biggest exaplmes are just ... what? ... ummm ... different? It is funny that people come out and call me racists and yet you are the ones ONLY debating about it from a national point of view.
Yikes~ I really didn't want to join in on this conversation because I thought it wasn't very conducive to anything positive. But here goes~ I'm a Korean citizen. Born in Korea in 1994... When I was less than 3 months old, I flew to Russia, where I stayed till I was 3. Then I moved to Illinois/Mississippi for 4 years. Then when I was 7, I moved back to Russia, where I stayed around 10 years (with a year break in 2005, which I spent in California). During our stay in Russia, I've traveled Europe, and I've spent moderate amounts of time (at least a year or two in which I got to know the person) with Finnish, Danish, German, British, Australian, Japanese, American, Mexican, Korean, Canadian, Swedish, French, Ukrainian, etc... Anywho, I've been following the e-Sports scene since 2008 or so. Not as long as some of you but, I have had a fair share of SC:BW and SC2 (although SC2 to a lesser extent).
Ok, now I'll try to be as fair as possible and just try to clear things out. I've read this whole thread/argument a couple times, and I just wanted to point out a few things that stood out to me....
First off, bluQ: saying Rain is a faceless Korean was completely fine. We could disagree all we want, but following up that opinion of yours with a bit of a more sweeping statement (even if it was still your opinion of the people) that there are "so many boring faceless Koreans" was a bit harsh and bound to incite others to flame on you. But then you went on saying, "He IS a boring personality. Deny it, lie" and that could be taken by a lot of people as you trying to say that your opinion was fact. :o Especially cause a couple posts down you switch and say it was your opinion again.
Secondly: Someone suddenly replied to bluQ saying "'Faceless' is something I'd expect from a closet racist." What the heck? Can he not state his opinion on the guy? Sure he could have said what countless of Bisu anti-fans have been saying since forever: "Oh Bisu's so boring in his interviews. He just says it was luck" or something... But still I don't rage everytime they say that do I? And then another response to bluQ was, "He was smiling throughout the interview." Who WOULDN'T be smiling after a win in the OSL? I don't expect him to be a grouch after a win..
Thirdly: bluQ had a good point:
On September 05 2012 20:05 bluQ wrote: But hey I get it, you guys will just flame everyone who express his opinion which is not equal to yours. Calling others ignorant with that attiutde doesnt deserve more than: retards.
I think both sides of this argument was a bit guilty of this point...
Then something happened and it switched from Rain to nationality...
I think we both just need to take a chill-pill... Just accept that the other doesn't agree with us, and let be~ I think both sides have valid arguments, but also some strange misunderstandings that ballooned into huge flame wars. From my experience, both Europeans, Australians, Asians, Americans, and even the few Africans I met when I visited Egypt were all friendly and had great personalities... But then there were some passive people who weren't the funnest to be around~ So let's all please stop this war of words and watch the game we've all come to love~
Thanks for reading if you did...
On September 05 2012 20:04 Severedevil wrote: He was speaking that silly ching-chong ping-pong talk.
On September 05 2012 20:45 Hiea wrote: Paying for OSL gets you a maximum 59 games, and this might even cost 40$ because everything isn't done on one month.
For GSL, you get the following - Code S - Maximum 217 games Code A - Maximum 156 games Up N' Down - Around 40 games
Now, of course Code S and Code A can be cut down to 2/3 of what is listed because of 2-0's, 3-0's and so forth, same goes for OSL once in the playoffs. I'm also pretty sure that a GSL season is 25 or 30$? I don't recall, since I bought yearly ticket for 100$.
Also keep in mind, Proleague will probably be under the same paywall.
GSL is 15$ for a GSL season and 20$ for a GSTL season.
Another thing GOMTV has that OGN does not is a nice and clean website, all OGN has is a twitch.tv page.
Very nice play by Flying. Maybe people will pay attention to him now.
Grubby called that game pretty perfectly, from the build orders to the advantage it would give Flying, and then to the ultimate outcome of the game. Grubby <3
On September 05 2012 20:58 Asha` wrote: Very nice play by Flying. Maybe people will pay attention to him now.
Grubby called that game pretty perfectly, from the build orders to the advantage it would give Flying, and then to the ultimate outcome of the game. Grubby <3
On September 05 2012 21:00 Hyperionnn wrote: btw moletrap said parting has a better position than he realized flying is destroying, he immidately changed into "but flying has a better army"
He really has issues
The thing is, partings position was much, much better.
On September 05 2012 21:00 Hyperionnn wrote: btw moletrap said parting has a better position than he realized flying is destroying, he immidately changed into "but flying has a better army"
He really has issues
Well he kinda did... high ground, better arc, just no immortals.
On September 05 2012 21:00 Hyperionnn wrote: btw moletrap said parting has a better position than he realized flying is destroying, he immidately changed into "but flying has a better army"
He really has issues
Actually moletrap was correct. Some of Flying's stalkers at the back were not shooting initially, but flying had overwhelming forces and won anyway,
On September 05 2012 21:00 Hyperionnn wrote: btw moletrap said parting has a better position than he realized flying is destroying, he immidately changed into "but flying has a better army"
He really has issues
That was a completely accurate call.
Partings position and spread was much better than Flying's, but Flying's army was just too big/powerful after the early build choices.
On September 05 2012 21:00 Hyperionnn wrote: btw moletrap said parting has a better position than he realized flying is destroying, he immidately changed into "but flying has a better army"
He really has issues
isn't that because parting had a concave on the high ground while flying was all clumped up on the ramp?
On September 05 2012 21:00 Hyperionnn wrote: btw moletrap said parting has a better position than he realized flying is destroying, he immidately changed into "but flying has a better army"
He really has issues
He did have better positioning. High ground, great concave. Just had lesser tech/units
On September 05 2012 21:00 Hyperionnn wrote: btw moletrap said parting has a better position than he realized flying is destroying, he immidately changed into "but flying has a better army"
He really has issues
I'm not a moletrap fan but what he said was true though. Parting had the concave but Flying had immortals and the colossi.
No need to nitpick for the sake of bashing the caster.
Have anyone noticed that in two groups, two eSF players (MKP vs DRG and Parting vs MVP) will be fighting over the 2nd place spot to advance to the ro16..
On September 05 2012 21:04 revel8 wrote: What's the format for the next round? Groups again? Straight KO? Bo1 again?
I think its a Bo3(?) then a Bo5 for Ro8/4/Final.
That's how it was last (BW) season
EDIT: Ro8 was bo5 last season and bo3 season before. I remember Jangbi - Flash 2:1 in Jin Air, though that they don't change format every other season like gom
On September 05 2012 21:04 revel8 wrote: What's the format for the next round? Groups again? Straight KO? Bo1 again?
Bo5 ro8 iirc, at least it was so when Mvp got to ro8 at one of BW OSLs (then he peaked his progaming career by taking a game off of Flash).
Wasn't that an MSL?
MSL was GSL type ro32 groups, split bo3s in ro16, split bo5s in ro8 and ro4, bo5 finals. OSL was and is (iirc) round robin ro16 groups with one game in a group per play day and bo5 ro8 on.
EDIT: Oh you're asking the game Mvp took off of Flash. Let me check.
EDIT2: Yes, Mvp took a game off of Flash at Hana Daetoo MSL ro8.
OK Bo5 it seems. Thanks for the info. I actually prefer Bo5 to Bo1 because the series has less chance of being decided by one mistake or a biased map and it generally reflects the better player on the day. Also a longer series of games can have mindgames and a story developing within the series itself. A single game just has a higher chance of an upset.
On September 05 2012 21:14 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Um BO3 at Ro8 and Ro4 is BO5 as is final. (This was at least BW OSL)
Last season they changed it to Bo5 for all single-elimination games.
I heard talk that they were going Bo7 for the finals now too?
Yes, also they will re-introduce the 3rd/4th place match which was abandoned after the 2007 EVER Starleague.
Never understood why they got rid of that.
Because after the abolition of the Star Challenge (where the winner of that tournament would play the 4th place OSL player for a chance to be seeded into the next OSL), there was really no point to the match as 3rd/4th would receive equal prize money and would be both seeded into the next OSL.
On September 05 2012 21:14 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Um BO3 at Ro8 and Ro4 is BO5 as is final. (This was at least BW OSL)
Last season they changed it to Bo5 for all single-elimination games.
I heard talk that they were going Bo7 for the finals now too?
Yes, also they will re-introduce the 3rd/4th place match which was abandoned after the 2007 EVER Starleague.
Never understood why they got rid of that.
Because after the abolition of the Star Challenge (where the winner of that tournament would play the 4th place OSL player for a chance to be seeded into the next OSL), there was really no point to the match as 3rd/4th would receive equal prize money and would be both seeded into the next OSL.
On September 05 2012 21:14 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Um BO3 at Ro8 and Ro4 is BO5 as is final. (This was at least BW OSL)
Last season they changed it to Bo5 for all single-elimination games.
I heard talk that they were going Bo7 for the finals now too?
Yes, also they will re-introduce the 3rd/4th place match which was abandoned after the 2007 EVER Starleague.
Never understood why they got rid of that.
Because after the abolition of the Star Challenge (where the winner of that tournament would play the 4th place OSL player for a chance to be seeded into the next OSL), there was really no point to the match as 3rd/4th would receive equal prize money and would be both seeded into the next OSL.
Flash has been constantly agressive literally all game... really impressive play. At a surface glance he macroed flawlessly behind beautifully controlled agression. His decision to hit the third right then may have saved him from a much tougher game imo.
On September 05 2012 21:28 Type|NarutO wrote: Wow Flashs control. That target fire was spot on. Marauders on stalkers, marines on zealots. Never seen such good focus fire up until now.
+ he often only stutter stepped with units who are actually attacked, and not the whole army like you see it all the time
What happened? I've seen Flash and Best on even supplies 3 bases and Best with templar archives finishing. Then VLC died and next is Flash aftergame interview.
I've sometimes hate sc2 that it's even, then 5s later gg
On September 05 2012 21:33 Shikada wrote: That was really solid play by Flash. As was already mentioned, constant aggression behind flawless micro. Really nice to see.
And macro. Its so impressive that he really differentiates himself out of all the SC2 players in that respect. Flash spends money so well throughout the entire game, its amazing to watch.
On September 05 2012 21:21 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: "not a single probe"
"lol 8"
he said that before Flash got like 4/5 with a single last hit... why are people hating moletrap so much... at least he's casting~
I'm not one joining the bashmob on Moletrap, even though I see why you'd think this. I just found that moment amusing since he seems to not look at the screen when these things happen. At least one probe CLEARLY died before he said that line.
Did anyone check the supplies before the final engagement? I looked like 5-10 seconds after it started without too much having died, and it was 155 for flash vs 115 for Best. I can't imagine that Flash managed to outmacro Best that badly given the way the rest of the game went, but I also don't think Best had lost so many units so quickly, so I'm not quite sure where Flash grabbed his advantage.
On September 05 2012 21:33 Shikada wrote: That was really solid play by Flash. As was already mentioned, constant aggression behind flawless micro. Really nice to see.
And macro. Its so impressive that he really differentiates himself out of all the SC2 players in that respect. Flash spends money so well throughout the entire game, its amazing to watch.
On September 05 2012 21:37 Daigomi wrote: Did anyone check the supplies before the final engagement? I looked like 5-10 seconds after it started without too much having died, and it was 155 for flash vs 115 for Best. I can't imagine that Flash managed to outmacro Best that badly given the way the rest of the game went, but I also don't think Best had lost so many units so quickly, so I'm not quite sure where Flash grabbed his advantage.
Flash was up 20-30 supply for a few minutes before that.
On September 05 2012 21:37 Daigomi wrote: Did anyone check the supplies before the final engagement? I looked like 5-10 seconds after it started without too much having died, and it was 155 for flash vs 115 for Best. I can't imagine that Flash managed to outmacro Best that badly given the way the rest of the game went, but I also don't think Best had lost so many units so quickly, so I'm not quite sure where Flash grabbed his advantage.
Well he had his 3rd up way earlier. Not to take anything away from Flash's macro though, it was actually perfect.
On September 05 2012 21:44 torm3ntin wrote: Flash x MC is gonna be great!!!!
I'm hoping for a BoX between these two guys later in the tournament. I would have also liked to see a Bo1 where the winner advanced from the group, but that's not going to happen anymore.
On September 05 2012 21:37 Daigomi wrote: Did anyone check the supplies before the final engagement? I looked like 5-10 seconds after it started without too much having died, and it was 155 for flash vs 115 for Best. I can't imagine that Flash managed to outmacro Best that badly given the way the rest of the game went, but I also don't think Best had lost so many units so quickly, so I'm not quite sure where Flash grabbed his advantage.
Flash was up 20-30 supply for a few minutes before that.
He got a much faster third.
Perhaps, I didn't think the third was up long enough to account for the difference but that makes sense.
On September 05 2012 21:37 Daigomi wrote: Did anyone check the supplies before the final engagement? I looked like 5-10 seconds after it started without too much having died, and it was 155 for flash vs 115 for Best. I can't imagine that Flash managed to outmacro Best that badly given the way the rest of the game went, but I also don't think Best had lost so many units so quickly, so I'm not quite sure where Flash grabbed his advantage.
Flash was up 20-30 supply for a few minutes before that.
He got a much faster third.
Perhaps, I didn't think the third was up long enough to account for the difference but that makes sense.
the overall difference also comes from the fact that BeST stayed on 3 gates for too long.
On September 05 2012 21:45 Awesomeness wrote: Too bad Flash-MC is a kinda meaningless game though.
Do 1st or 2nd place matter in OSL?
Kind of, but it's not especially important. When it comes to seed the RO8 all four matches will be a first qualifier against a second qualifier from a group that wasn't theirs. Assume group A winner is A1, group A runnerup is A2, and so on.
A1 will play B2, C2, or D2 B1 will play A2, C2, or D2 .... so on.
So if all the "favorites" get by in the first qualifying spot, then it helps. This is usually what happens, but every once in a while you end up with a Flash vs Jaedong (aka leessang) type match in OSL RO8.
On September 05 2012 21:37 Daigomi wrote: Did anyone check the supplies before the final engagement? I looked like 5-10 seconds after it started without too much having died, and it was 155 for flash vs 115 for Best. I can't imagine that Flash managed to outmacro Best that badly given the way the rest of the game went, but I also don't think Best had lost so many units so quickly, so I'm not quite sure where Flash grabbed his advantage.
Rewatch the game and focus on the production tab. Flash's macro was near-perfect throughout the entire match. All his supply depots finish literally on the dot. And of course, Flash doesn't queue up unnecessary units on his barracks, so he spends his money extremely efficiently (opportunity cost!).
On September 05 2012 21:45 Awesomeness wrote: Too bad Flash-MC is a kinda meaningless game though.
Do 1st or 2nd place matter in OSL?
well not anymore but going 3-0 in your group is more important than going 2-1 because you can still get knocked out in a tie breaker situation even if you go 2-1 but the chances of that happening is pretty slim..
Really awesome results today! Sun once again taking down a top notch GSL player, showing he can go toe to toe with fucking anyone, and Flash advancing like a baws. ^______^
And yeh, this lack of VOD thing is so saddening. It was so much better before the SC2 switch.
On September 06 2012 01:45 Allscorpion wrote: Seriously no vods? There isnt even any vods for day 3 .
It was brought up today about the VOD's. It's their first time working with TwitchTV and I gave them all the TwitchTV contacts today (they only had one, and that guy is quite a higher-up and very busy). I am not, but can't help feeling personally responsible. They are aware of the issues and know they have to work on it. OGN was a mainstay BW broadcasting organization and they are just new to SC2, so they need some time to get used to dealing with a foreign community, I think. Constructive feedback their way (they probably read TL) always helps!
On September 06 2012 01:45 Allscorpion wrote: Seriously no vods? There isnt even any vods for day 3 .
It was brought up today about the VOD's. It's their first time working with TwitchTV and I gave them all the TwitchTV contacts today (they only had one, and that guy is quite a higher-up and very busy). I am not, but can't help feeling personally responsible. They are aware of the issues and know they have to work on it. OGN was a mainstay BW broadcasting organization and they are just new to SC2, so they need some time to get used to dealing with a foreign community, I think. Constructive feedback their way (they probably read TL) always helps!
Appreciate your efforts, Grubby.
Maybe Twitch.TV's own djWHEAT and/or TheGunrun could assist?
On September 06 2012 01:45 Allscorpion wrote: Seriously no vods? There isnt even any vods for day 3 .
It was brought up today about the VOD's. It's their first time working with TwitchTV and I gave them all the TwitchTV contacts today (they only had one, and that guy is quite a higher-up and very busy). I am not, but can't help feeling personally responsible. They are aware of the issues and know they have to work on it. OGN was a mainstay BW broadcasting organization and they are just new to SC2, so they need some time to get used to dealing with a foreign community, I think. Constructive feedback their way (they probably read TL) always helps!
hehe thanks Grubby. and stellar casting today, as usual, soooo articulate.
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
This, can anyone here tell us if the VODs have been uploaded for subscribers?
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
This, can anyone here tell us if the VODs have been uploaded for subscribers?
Not yet unfortunately. I'll post once they're up. Hoping its only another day or so.
On September 06 2012 01:45 Allscorpion wrote: Seriously no vods? There isnt even any vods for day 3 .
It was brought up today about the VOD's. It's their first time working with TwitchTV and I gave them all the TwitchTV contacts today (they only had one, and that guy is quite a higher-up and very busy). I am not, but can't help feeling personally responsible. They are aware of the issues and know they have to work on it. OGN was a mainstay BW broadcasting organization and they are just new to SC2, so they need some time to get used to dealing with a foreign community, I think. Constructive feedback their way (they probably read TL) always helps!
Ty grubby for clearing it up as I was unable to watch it live.
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
Actually when I checked VODS earlier today they had PartinG vs Flying and Fantasy vs Oz. Strangely I think 15-30mins later they took them down so there's no VODS available right now. I hope we'll get any update or so!
Liquipedia is also wrong in VODS section about there being VODS, because of the removal those two games.
On September 06 2012 01:38 Natespank wrote: Charging too much money for 480p streams with serious sound and video issues, no friendly interface or website, and no vods.
The GSL is much better in every regard besides player skill and thats only because we don't really know yet where all these kespa player will end up and whether or not they will be able to join future GSLs without problems.
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
Actually when I checked VODS earlier today they had PartinG vs Flying and Fantasy vs Oz. Strangely I think 15-30mins later they took them down so there's no VODS available right now. I hope we'll get any update or so!
Liquipedia is also wrong in VODS section about there being VODS, because of the removal those two games.
THIS. The vods were there for a moment, i was able to watch the BeSt vs. Flash game. But moments later they took them down.
On September 05 2012 21:38 oneofthem wrote: obviously in flash's world mc is not even a character. no reason to show him respect.
Except this is SC2, not BW, and in SC2, MC is currently the highest earning player of all time, while Flash has done nothing. Flash has left his old world behind and needs to prove himself again.
On September 06 2012 01:45 Allscorpion wrote: Seriously no vods? There isnt even any vods for day 3 .
It was brought up today about the VOD's. It's their first time working with TwitchTV and I gave them all the TwitchTV contacts today (they only had one, and that guy is quite a higher-up and very busy). I am not, but can't help feeling personally responsible. They are aware of the issues and know they have to work on it. OGN was a mainstay BW broadcasting organization and they are just new to SC2, so they need some time to get used to dealing with a foreign community, I think. Constructive feedback their way (they probably read TL) always helps!
Thank you for giving us an update. I bought a subscription, then cancelled it when it became clear that OGN was not actually delivering the VODs they were promising. I'm still going to consider re-subbing if OGN gets it together, because I really want to see these games and I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt about the difficulties of moving into a new platform and a new audience. I will say, though, that it would have been a good idea for OGN to make sure they could actually deliver what they were promising before they started marketing it. Might have prevented a lot of hard feelings in the foreigner audience.
Is the VLC stream dead/restricted now? I tried viewing it in VLC because they keep cutting the twitch stream between matches to make the VOD's but the stream wouldn't automatically restart like every other twitch stream does, but VLC could never connect with the link in the OP.
On September 05 2012 21:38 oneofthem wrote: obviously in flash's world mc is not even a character. no reason to show him respect.
Except this is SC2, not BW, and in SC2, MC is currently the highest earning player of all time, while Flash has done nothing. Flash has left his old world behind and needs to prove himself again.
Pretty sure that even with MC's yearly earning, Flash still surpasses him by Team Salary, let alone Tournaments.
And flash's popularity superceed MC's.
Might by SC2's world and MC might be a big fish swimming it but Flash man, he is a motherfucking whale.
OGN shouldn't be charging for vods.streaming for this OSL. They need to work out the chinks in how to deliver the service properly. Furthermore, they need to develop the fanbase among the foreign sc2 community. Charging right away for vods/high quality streaming isn't really the right way to go to achieve this. They also charge more than GOM which is right now more prestigious and offers a higher quality of service to the foreign sc2 fans.
Bad bad bad decisions being made at OGN/KESPA.
They should remember that first impressions last and a lot of people will not watch OSL again because of the bungles being made.
On September 05 2012 21:38 oneofthem wrote: obviously in flash's world mc is not even a character. no reason to show him respect.
Except this is SC2, not BW, and in SC2, MC is currently the highest earning player of all time, while Flash has done nothing. Flash has left his old world behind and needs to prove himself again.
prove himself again? this is like finish school and go back to kindergarten... EDIT: haha in fact seems like blizzard took notice that some sc2 players can't multiply 8*3 to know if their bases are fully saturated, but blizzard is all over that already. No wonder why it's called "Starter's edition" rofl
On September 06 2012 11:31 aupstar wrote: OGN shouldn't be charging for vods.streaming for this OSL. They need to work out the chinks in how to deliver the service properly. Furthermore, they need to develop the fanbase among the foreign sc2 community. Charging right away for vods/high quality streaming isn't really the right way to go to achieve this. They also charge more than GOM which is right now more prestigious and offers a higher quality of service to the foreign sc2 fans.
Bad bad bad decisions being made at OGN/KESPA.
They should remember that first impressions last and a lot of people will not watch OSL again because of the bungles being made.
If they give away this season for free, then try to charge for the next, there will be backlash because this season was free.
It's a lose/lose situation; somebody will always complain. Look how it went for GOM and MLG when they wanted to charge more or do PPV.
Most peobably I won't pay for this season unless Flash makes it far, and see how it goes the next. But being OGN, the production values are there, the competitive level will be there, and I do think the technical problem will be fixed.
I can't believe some of you people gave them money. OGN does not give a damn about non-Koreans and never has, they only care about money. It's disappointing that their awful behaviour is being rewarded. They will never see a dollar from me for as long as I live.
On September 06 2012 12:17 J1.au wrote: I can't believe some of you people gave them money. OGN does not give a damn about non-Koreans and never has, they only care about money. It's disappointing that their awful behaviour is being rewarded. They will never see a dollar from me for as long as I live.
I was confused about the VOD issue too... glad I'm not the only one. I thought they might be doing something screwy and uploading VODs to YouTube or something but I guess it just sucks.
I'm sort of amused how sentiment can go from being pissed about GOM's stream quality to appreciating their production value. I guess you just need a little reminder of how bad it could be to appreciate how good it is.
1. Rain + Winner of DRG/MKP 2. like 2 of Oz/Last/Fantasy (Nestea still has a very very slight chance "beats Oz, and Last to beat both Fantasy and Oz to force a 3 way with Oz and Fantasy) 3. Flying + Winner to Mvp/Parting 4. MC and Flash
i was able to watch the vods of the first days as a non-subscriber, why did they change that?
i understand the difficulties they're having but they should indeed get over themselves, the production quality is absolutely awful and deserves no charge whatsoever. kespa being greedy is no big news, i however don't think they're going to act like they used to, it's not the bw kespa anymore.
On September 06 2012 13:43 vthree wrote: So Ro8 is starting to take shape
1. Rain + Winner of DRG/MKP 2. like 2 of Oz/Last/Fantasy (Nestea still has a very very slight chance "beats Oz, and Last to beat both Fantasy and Oz to force a 3 way with Oz and Fantasy) 3. Flying + Winner to Mvp/Parting 4. MC and Flash
3 GSL and 3 Kespa spots confirmed
also from 2nd group 1 kespa spot confirmed because Oz/Nestea is impossible so either Last or Fanta goes to ro8
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
Sorry about that. I was able to watch all the VODs last night after the games were played. I can't really tell right now since I'm at the office behind a firewall with streaming blocked. -_-
Hope OGN gets their shit straight ASAP. This ain't the BW days of Jon747 and nevake anymore, when free-streaming 360p was accepted.
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
Sorry about that. I was able to watch all the VODs last night after the games were played. I can't really tell right now since I'm at the office behind a firewall with streaming blocked. -_-
Hope OGN gets their shit straight ASAP. This ain't the BW days of Jon747 and nevake anymore, when free-streaming 360p was accepted.
If you want graphics, go to a 3D movie. I can lend you my glasses too.
On September 06 2012 20:52 revy wrote: Can confirm that it's subscription only. All the vods are there, I can see them, but when you click on them it tells you to subscribe.
This is yet another reason why BW was better. =/
I can agree, at least make it like GSL and allow it to be free with low quality. Although I guess since the OSL is allready low quaility it wouldn't make much of a difference.
4 KESPA vs 4 ESF players in the round of 8 i have it is
MC - Guranteed threw Oz - 2 games to play, if he wins one of them he is pretty much through (either vs Fantasy or Last) Mvp/Parting - One of these make it through whoever wins in the game next week DRG/MKP - Whoever wins this goes through to the round of 8 as well
On September 06 2012 23:02 Pandemona wrote: 4 KESPA vs 4 ESF players in the round of 8 i have it is
MC - Guranteed threw Oz - 2 games to play, if he wins one of them he is pretty much through (either vs Fantasy or Last) Mvp/Parting - One of these make it through whoever wins in the game next week DRG/MKP - Whoever wins this goes through to the round of 8 as well
So 4vs4, exciting
Meanwhile 1 out of two KeSPA players advance in GSL. No side is more succesful thatn the other in both leagues.
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
Sorry about that. I was able to watch all the VODs last night after the games were played. I can't really tell right now since I'm at the office behind a firewall with streaming blocked. -_-
Hope OGN gets their shit straight ASAP. This ain't the BW days of Jon747 and nevake anymore, when free-streaming 360p was accepted.
If you want graphics, go to a 3D movie. I can lend you my glasses too.
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
Sorry about that. I was able to watch all the VODs last night after the games were played. I can't really tell right now since I'm at the office behind a firewall with streaming blocked. -_-
Hope OGN gets their shit straight ASAP. This ain't the BW days of Jon747 and nevake anymore, when free-streaming 360p was accepted.
So let me get this clear, there is no way to watch the VODs without paying 20 USD? Aren't they somewhere else too? I'm huge Flash fan, but i won't pay so much to see him play SC2. I would thought that OGN will be willing to build their viewer base with free service first, but what do i know about marketing and promotions. SC2 is much more popular in Korea that i thought if they can chrge for watching the VODs...
Maybe you should do that, too, and see what's actually there. The last videos listed are the short promotional ones from two days ago. No Day 3 or 4 VODs yet.
That is, unless they have fixed it for subscribers now? I did not subscribe yet so I cannot tell.
Sorry about that. I was able to watch all the VODs last night after the games were played. I can't really tell right now since I'm at the office behind a firewall with streaming blocked. -_-
Hope OGN gets their shit straight ASAP. This ain't the BW days of Jon747 and nevake anymore, when free-streaming 360p was accepted.
On September 07 2012 01:45 johanes wrote: So let me get this clear, there is no way to watch the VODs without paying 20 USD? Aren't they somewhere else too? I'm huge Flash fan, but i won't pay so much to see him play SC2. I would thought that OGN will be willing to build their viewer base with free service first, but what do i know about marketing and promotions. SC2 is much more popular in Korea that i thought if they can chrge for watching the VODs...
Yes, you can watch vods without paying $20. Ofc, no moletrap and grubby though.
On September 07 2012 01:45 johanes wrote: So let me get this clear, there is no way to watch the VODs without paying 20 USD? Aren't they somewhere else too? I'm huge Flash fan, but i won't pay so much to see him play SC2. I would thought that OGN will be willing to build their viewer base with free service first, but what do i know about marketing and promotions. SC2 is much more popular in Korea that i thought if they can chrge for watching the VODs...
Yes, you can watch vods without paying $20. Ofc, no moletrap and grubby though.
On September 07 2012 01:45 johanes wrote: So let me get this clear, there is no way to watch the VODs without paying 20 USD? Aren't they somewhere else too? I'm huge Flash fan, but i won't pay so much to see him play SC2. I would thought that OGN will be willing to build their viewer base with free service first, but what do i know about marketing and promotions. SC2 is much more popular in Korea that i thought if they can chrge for watching the VODs...
Yes, you can watch vods without paying $20. Ofc, no moletrap and grubby though.
Well, with my amazing skills of clairvoyance I can safely tell you that you can view them on Chinese websites, I am however unsure about the legality of the whole thing because though some stations were given the right to rebroadcast GOM / OSL I'm not sure if the license carried over for this OSL.
I feel like the rug has been pulled out from under me. Especially when BW was teetering on the edge, but even before that, I'd have been happy to pay a reasonable sum for OSL season tickets. If that was the business model that could keep BW successful, so be it. But now they change the game and then ask me to pay to watch? Forget it, keep your VODs to yourself.
It's depressing when you find that after years of being a dedicated fan, they don't care about your viewership anymore because your viewership didn't pay, and it didn't pay because they never wanted it to. I'd have paid to see the OSL back when it was actually the OSL.
It was fun while it lasted though.
Edit: I mean I guess I could watch bootleg VODs, but that's not really the point. I wouldn't have watched bootleg BW VODs either.
On September 07 2012 06:41 Caihead wrote: Well, with my amazing skills of clairvoyance I can safely tell you that you can view them on Chinese websites, I am however unsure about the legality of the whole thing because though some stations were given the right to rebroadcast GOM / OSL I'm not sure if the license carried over for this OSL.
AH its one of those
On September 07 2012 06:59 Djabanete wrote: I feel like the rug has been pulled out from under me. Especially when BW was teetering on the edge, but even before that, I'd have been happy to pay a reasonable sum for OSL season tickets. If that was the business model that could keep BW successful, so be it. But now they change the game and then ask me to pay to watch? Forget it, keep your VODs to yourself.
It's depressing when you find that after years of being a dedicated fan, they don't care about your viewership anymore because your viewership didn't pay, and it didn't pay because they never wanted it to. I'd have paid to see the OSL back when it was actually the OSL.
Wow man what happened? For like ten years they've been broadcasting starcraft for free, and now all of a sudden we have to pay to watch sc2 ? This "esport" is getting more ridiculous every day.
On September 07 2012 07:36 Al Bundy wrote: Wow man what happened? For like ten years they've been broadcasting starcraft for free, and now all of a sudden we have to pay to watch sc2 ? This "esport" is getting more ridiculous every day.
For one, we all have to understand that Kespa switched with a reason like everyone else, the avarice of things. But OGN already have a stable source of income from those Reebok, Coca Cola, Pepsi, and 20 other commercials + league sponsors that I can't remember unlike GOM pretty much have to rely on their pay-per-view + additional fundings from Blizzard..
But hey can't blame them for wanting more moneys. They are, after all, a company. And much like Blizzard wanting to cater to the casual playerbase, Kespa wants a fatter pocket for themselves.
I would be willing to pay but the problem is that the price is wayyyy too high than it should be. Just by the amount of content, GSL gives you more game with less price. GSL even offer a season ticket (although they also offer monthly subscription) with lower price.
They need to work out about pricing or they would not be able to woo people to pay them.
OGN's never done this foreigner thing before and they are not treating it as that big of a deal. hence the high price on these things. they are risk averse rather than opportunistic
On September 07 2012 11:09 Caihead wrote: Vods @ youku Now I'm not entirely sure if this is against any broadcasting exclusivity or anything, so don't say I didn't warn you.
Thank you dude.
Edit: chinese site ftw. No one can touch them lol.
Ive paid for all the GSLs and the year ticket now since i can just pay once for the year.. but i dont think ill be paying that much for the OSL, yes i really love to watch those players but the production kinda sux quality sux and there arent many games in camparison.
GOM has a great english site nice and clear how everything works vods on the site everything. GOM has their shit together all for a reasonable price..
Id love to see a new site from OSL a bit like GOms with their own flavor and with reasonable prices for the amount of games and production value.
They'll soon realize this price is too high and that they would make 50x more money by lowering the price. $6 to $8 seems about right for this content, IMO.
now, what the heck? have to pay $19.99 to watch this osl? in korea, ITS FREE on TV -_- Why does it always have to involve money? They can just rebrodcast or brodcast in youtube or something like that omg are you seriousadkfl;asjdlg;
On September 08 2012 13:39 Messi wrote: now, what the heck? have to pay $19.99 to watch this osl? in korea, ITS FREE on TV -_- Why does it always have to involve money? They can just rebrodcast or brodcast in youtube or something like that omg are you seriousadkfl;asjdlg;
Always have to involve money? It's the first time OGN is charging us. Too bad most of us were willing to pay to watch BW before. Now most don't really care.
Thought Flash was done after the successful helion drop defence by Best.
However I wanna make a special mention to something Korean casters were emphasizing throughout the last big battle - Flash's macro was impeccable throughout the battle - the minerals never went above 400, floated 50-350 throughout the battle. All that macro while doing near-perfect micro, as others on this message board mentioned. (if you can get your hands on vod, watch Flash's mineral closely - it does not go over 400)
Just amazing - did not see any other pro doing such amazing micro along with amazing macro at the same time. My personal thought is that Best did fall a bit short after his amazing D on letting Flash get his 3rd without any contest - but Flash did do amazing macro before and during the battle nonetheless.
Also the upcoming MC vs. Flash match up is going to be a real entertaining one.
In the interview that followed his win, casters asked him on how he thought of MC's comment that he sees obvious flaws in Flash's play that needs to be fixed - Flash answered 'I can see obvious flaws myself...' '... in MC's plays'
LOL
Thought Flash was gonna be humble and say that he sees flaws in his own plays, but he obviously got mad by MC's remark, and Flash followed that up by saying that he'll show MC the flaws that he needs to work on in their next match.
It's gonna be an entertaining one - and as much as I respect MC as player, I'll definitely be rooting for Flash. Woot!
On September 08 2012 22:27 kamikami wrote: For once I will support Flash together with you KT guys and hope that he will crush that "MC" dude lol.
When it comes to OSL, I subconsciously automatically support any kespa dude. Even Fantasy.
I thought I'll be leaving this community once the last OSL ended. SC2 might not be as good and exciting as BW for me, but supporting the guys I knew and loved for years seems good and exciting enough to draw me into the SC2 scene. The fact that both sides are doing equally good against the other makes this friendly(at least for me) competition very very interesting.
On September 08 2012 18:12 LuciferSC wrote: Also the upcoming MC vs. Flash match up is going to be a real entertaining one.
In the interview that followed his win, casters asked him on how he thought of MC's comment that he sees obvious flaws in Flash's play that needs to be fixed - Flash answered 'I can see obvious flaws myself...' '... in MC's plays'
LOL
Thought Flash was gonna be humble and say that he sees flaws in his own plays, but he obviously got mad by MC's remark, and Flash followed that up by saying that he'll show MC the flaws that he needs to work on in their next match.
It's gonna be an entertaining one - and as much as I respect MC as player, I'll definitely be rooting for Flash. Woot!
That's a tough position to take. It's not a GSL, and there's money on the line... that usually makes MC really try hard to get the money.
Tough call, really. I just hope that it's a really great game, and not double cheese.
On September 08 2012 18:12 LuciferSC wrote: Also the upcoming MC vs. Flash match up is going to be a real entertaining one.
In the interview that followed his win, casters asked him on how he thought of MC's comment that he sees obvious flaws in Flash's play that needs to be fixed - Flash answered 'I can see obvious flaws myself...' '... in MC's plays'
LOL
Thought Flash was gonna be humble and say that he sees flaws in his own plays, but he obviously got mad by MC's remark, and Flash followed that up by saying that he'll show MC the flaws that he needs to work on in their next match.
It's gonna be an entertaining one - and as much as I respect MC as player, I'll definitely be rooting for Flash. Woot!
That's a tough position to take. It's not a GSL, and there's money on the line... that usually makes MC really try hard to get the money.
Tough call, really. I just hope that it's a really great game, and not double cheese.
I hope there will be one side cheese, everyone will be furious in LR, and TL will go to civil war.
Watch the vod released of Flash right when he first started playing sc2, every time he enters a battle his apm spikes up massively as he furiously macros in the middle of battle. You can see his screen show his macro during battle and hear his keys being brutalized. This is how he manages to macro so well.
On September 08 2012 18:12 LuciferSC wrote: Also the upcoming MC vs. Flash match up is going to be a real entertaining one.
In the interview that followed his win, casters asked him on how he thought of MC's comment that he sees obvious flaws in Flash's play that needs to be fixed - Flash answered 'I can see obvious flaws myself...' '... in MC's plays'
LOL
Thought Flash was gonna be humble and say that he sees flaws in his own plays, but he obviously got mad by MC's remark, and Flash followed that up by saying that he'll show MC the flaws that he needs to work on in their next match.
It's gonna be an entertaining one - and as much as I respect MC as player, I'll definitely be rooting for Flash. Woot!
That's a tough position to take. It's not a GSL, and there's money on the line... that usually makes MC really try hard to get the money.
Tough call, really. I just hope that it's a really great game, and not double cheese.
Nothing in the line sucks.
I expect MC to some sort of 2 base all in, and Flash to play standard macro. They are not gonna give their best and also they won't show an innovative build
On September 08 2012 22:27 kamikami wrote: For once I will support Flash together with you KT guys and hope that he will crush that "MC" dude lol.
When it comes to OSL, I subconsciously automatically support any kespa dude. Even Fantasy.
I thought I'll be leaving this community once the last OSL ended. SC2 might not be as good and exciting as BW for me, but supporting the guys I knew and loved for years seems good and exciting enough to draw me into the SC2 scene. The fact that both sides are doing equally good against the other makes this friendly(at least for me) competition very very interesting.
That's actually pretty encouraging to hear. Seeing the old legends grow as players in a new game is definitely one of the most interesting things in pro sc2 right now, and it's good to hear that other people feel the same way.
On September 09 2012 23:52 Lazzi wrote: I've never followed brood war (sadly) but I'm so shocked by Flash's macro. It's insane. + Show Spoiler +
In the game against Best , he just won because of his amazing macro.
No need to spoiler in the LR thread. In BW Best was known as being one of the few players who had macro as solid as Flash. I don't know if Best's macro will translate (and he was kind of on a downturn in BW).
On September 09 2012 23:52 Lazzi wrote: I've never followed brood war (sadly) but I'm so shocked by Flash's macro. It's insane. + Show Spoiler +
In the game against Best , he just won because of his amazing macro.
No need to spoiler in the LR thread. In BW Best was known as being one of the few players who had macro as solid as Flash. I don't know if Best's macro will translate (and he was kind of on a downturn in BW).
It's the warp gate mechanics that make BeSt's macro style impossible. He cannot build 40 gates anymore because the warping will be undoable lol, also protoss cannot win with pure gateway units like before, so I don't expect him to do his same old "build stuffs" style in Sc2 at all.
On September 08 2012 18:12 LuciferSC wrote: Also the upcoming MC vs. Flash match up is going to be a real entertaining one.
In the interview that followed his win, casters asked him on how he thought of MC's comment that he sees obvious flaws in Flash's play that needs to be fixed - Flash answered 'I can see obvious flaws myself...' '... in MC's plays'
LOL
Thought Flash was gonna be humble and say that he sees flaws in his own plays, but he obviously got mad by MC's remark, and Flash followed that up by saying that he'll show MC the flaws that he needs to work on in their next match.
It's gonna be an entertaining one - and as much as I respect MC as player, I'll definitely be rooting for Flash. Woot!
That's a tough position to take. It's not a GSL, and there's money on the line... that usually makes MC really try hard to get the money.
Tough call, really. I just hope that it's a really great game, and not double cheese.
There's nothing on the line in this game, though. They've both already advanced.
On September 09 2012 23:52 Lazzi wrote: I've never followed brood war (sadly) but I'm so shocked by Flash's macro. It's insane. + Show Spoiler +
In the game against Best , he just won because of his amazing macro.
No need to spoiler in the LR thread. In BW Best was known as being one of the few players who had macro as solid as Flash. I don't know if Best's macro will translate (and he was kind of on a downturn in BW).
It's the warp gate mechanics that make BeSt's macro style impossible. He cannot build 40 gates anymore because the warping will be undoable lol, also protoss cannot win with pure gateway units like before, so I don't expect him to do his same old "build stuffs" style in Sc2 at all.
You're correct about a less gateway heavy composition being more normal in SC2, but what exactly about warpgates makes things more difficult than in bw where you had to manually click each building and build a unit? I don't see a reason why Best's macro would be weakened aside from the fact that it's not 100% gateway anymore. If his macro doesn't translate I'ld say it's because he was on a downturn at the end of bw.
On September 09 2012 23:52 Lazzi wrote: I've never followed brood war (sadly) but I'm so shocked by Flash's macro. It's insane. + Show Spoiler +
In the game against Best , he just won because of his amazing macro.
No need to spoiler in the LR thread. In BW Best was known as being one of the few players who had macro as solid as Flash. I don't know if Best's macro will translate (and he was kind of on a downturn in BW).
It's the warp gate mechanics that make BeSt's macro style impossible. He cannot build 40 gates anymore because the warping will be undoable lol, also protoss cannot win with pure gateway units like before, so I don't expect him to do his same old "build stuffs" style in Sc2 at all.
You're correct about a less gateway heavy composition being more normal in SC2, but what exactly about warpgates makes things more difficult than in bw where you had to manually click each building and build a unit? I don't see a reason why Best's macro would be weakened aside from the fact that it's not 100% gateway anymore. If his macro doesn't translate I'ld say it's because he was on a downturn at the end of bw.
Reason is that with Warpgate, the Gateway units all have been nerfed from their BW counterpart. So they are not exactly efficacious in comparison. BeSt relied on firing units out of them because they were very mighty and in a sense, his style wouldn't directly translate, racially-speaking.
On September 09 2012 23:52 Lazzi wrote: I've never followed brood war (sadly) but I'm so shocked by Flash's macro. It's insane. + Show Spoiler +
In the game against Best , he just won because of his amazing macro.
No need to spoiler in the LR thread. In BW Best was known as being one of the few players who had macro as solid as Flash. I don't know if Best's macro will translate (and he was kind of on a downturn in BW).
It's the warp gate mechanics that make BeSt's macro style impossible. He cannot build 40 gates anymore because the warping will be undoable lol, also protoss cannot win with pure gateway units like before, so I don't expect him to do his same old "build stuffs" style in Sc2 at all.
You're correct about a less gateway heavy composition being more normal in SC2, but what exactly about warpgates makes things more difficult than in bw where you had to manually click each building and build a unit? I don't see a reason why Best's macro would be weakened aside from the fact that it's not 100% gateway anymore. If his macro doesn't translate I'ld say it's because he was on a downturn at the end of bw.
Well it's just my feeling that all gateway production are not synchronized and you cannot queue units, that made building massive gates difficult because of the headache of choosing which unit to warp each time in function of the Innumber of unit available, sometime i want to build zealots but i cannot build the number i desire because they are not available yet and that makes me crazy lol, but of course that's just my feeling though. In BW we click on the gate and press Z and move on and don't have to think about anything lol.
On September 09 2012 23:52 Lazzi wrote: I've never followed brood war (sadly) but I'm so shocked by Flash's macro. It's insane. + Show Spoiler +
In the game against Best , he just won because of his amazing macro.
No need to spoiler in the LR thread. In BW Best was known as being one of the few players who had macro as solid as Flash. I don't know if Best's macro will translate (and he was kind of on a downturn in BW).
It's the warp gate mechanics that make BeSt's macro style impossible. He cannot build 40 gates anymore because the warping will be undoable lol, also protoss cannot win with pure gateway units like before, so I don't expect him to do his same old "build stuffs" style in Sc2 at all.
You're correct about a less gateway heavy composition being more normal in SC2, but what exactly about warpgates makes things more difficult than in bw where you had to manually click each building and build a unit? I don't see a reason why Best's macro would be weakened aside from the fact that it's not 100% gateway anymore. If his macro doesn't translate I'ld say it's because he was on a downturn at the end of bw.
Well it's just my feeling that all gateway production are not synchronized and you cannot queue units, that made building massive gates difficult because of the headache of choosing which unit to warp each time in function of the Innumber of unit available, sometime i want to build zealots but i cannot build the number i desire because they are not available yet and that makes me crazy lol, but of course that's just my feeling though. In BW we click on the gate and press Z and move on and don't have to think about anything lol.
There's really no difference. SC2 gateway macro is slightly easier because you don't have to build and macro 24 gateways from 2 different main bases (because you can't fit all those gateways in your main and you don't want to get contained), and the gateways are spread apart so there's a bit of screen moving.
Best is actually quite slow and tunnel visioned, his style is very direct, he'd either cut probes and do a wicked timing attack with ridiculous numbers of units, or he'd tech to arbiters and play a split map game until he can pummel the Terran to death. No harass or weird shenanigans, just win straight up. Kinda the opposite of Bisu who has a lot of flair. Day[9] did a really good commentary on Best's ability to just build units.
SC2 actually suits Best very well, I guess he's just not putting his heart into it and creating the really strong timing attacks like he did in BW.
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