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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 17 2012 08:34 GMT
#461
On August 17 2012 17:33 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:
Minigun gets too nervous, he's better than probably everyone in his group if he plays calm


He's gonna whoop ass nonetheless. I hope.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
August 17 2012 08:34 GMT
#462
On August 17 2012 17:33 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:31 Rokevo wrote:
Wasn't orc the reason why undead was almost unplayable?

Yes. It was UD > HU, NE, but Orc >>> UD, so UD always got/gets trashed in tourneys.


as i said, thats true for the later stages of wc3 (2008 till now)
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 17 2012 08:34 GMT
#463
On August 17 2012 17:33 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:31 KalWarkov wrote:
On August 17 2012 17:30 najreteip wrote:
Wasn't orc considered one of the strongest races?


till 2008, orc was considered a weak race. after that, orc became really good and finally the best race.

the main reason for it was the switch from farseer as mainhero to the mighty blademaster and the focus on him with items.

poor ted could never win again.

TeD and Happy were the best UDvOrc ...

With like all-time highs of 50% win-rate in the MU. :D
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 17 2012 08:34 GMT
#464
A lot of protosses I actually like for once. I really want Grubby and elfi to get out of this group, I like elfi a lot. But I'd also like to see slivko go through. We'll see what happens! I'd still guess Bomber, Grubby and Slivko.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
August 17 2012 08:34 GMT
#465
On August 17 2012 17:32 Doublemint wrote:
hm I am glad that Grubby won but I feel that Moonglade had huge flaws in this particular game and in general.

He is by no means a scrub like somebody insinuated here, but last game for example he only had lik 55 drones on 4 bases and kept on the aggression with too many lings - if he maxed stephanoesque on mass roaches with some lings for cost efficiency he would have won for sure and the series had gone the other way.

Hope he works on that.

That's exactly what moonglade was doing. He just got really impatient and wanted to deny the third as quickly as possible. Props to grubby though. That defense was sexy.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
gcruz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
August 17 2012 08:34 GMT
#466
so do we have an update on streams
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 17 2012 08:34 GMT
#467
On August 17 2012 17:33 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:
Minigun gets too nervous, he's better than probably everyone in his group if he plays calm

..better than Bomber?
Where do all these ideas come from
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
August 17 2012 08:34 GMT
#468
mm elfi 2-0 minigun no surprise there
Blitzkrieg09
Profile Joined January 2011
United States39 Posts
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#469
On August 17 2012 17:31 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:30 Megakenny wrote:
Did he say Orc was the worst race?


was sarcasm, his tone was quite obvios


I don't think he was being sarcastic at all.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#470
On August 17 2012 17:33 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:
Minigun gets too nervous, he's better than probably everyone in his group if he plays calm


no, hes surely not.

DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#471
On August 17 2012 17:34 flowSthead wrote:
Wasn't Grubby one of the main reasons Orc stop being considered the weakest race?


Orc was never the weakest race .lol
People just fail to realize the potential of Blademaster.
Play your best
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#472
On August 17 2012 17:33 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:
Minigun gets too nervous, he's better than probably everyone in his group if he plays calm


Minigun is not better than Bomber >_> definitely not
Pirat6662001
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation949 Posts
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#473
On August 17 2012 17:33 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:
Minigun gets too nervous, he's better than probably everyone in his group if he plays calm


Fan boy much? Slivco has preformed well at last 2 lans he has been to, Bomber is doing well recently, same with Grubby
So.. this Earth, nice planet you might say- WRONG!!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#474
On August 17 2012 17:34 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:33 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:
Minigun gets too nervous, he's better than probably everyone in his group if he plays calm

..better than Bomber?
Where do all these ideas come from


CHAD M. JONES dude.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 08:36:08
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#475
On August 17 2012 17:15 Orek wrote:
I think it is time for Terran to admit that raven itself is good. Terran winrate when there are 5+ ravens is like 80%+ as far as I remember. 10+ ravens is 100% from all games I have seen. The only problem is that most of the time, Terran cannot get there and BL/infestor late game army kills Terran before Terran reaches that super late game stage. Most maps don't allow this because usually 4+ preferably 5 bases are needed to go that super late game composition for Terran. If Zerg doesn't split and lose whole army to HSM, then he deserve to lose. If Terran doesn't split and lose all ravens to fungal, then he deserve to lose as well. Map size/arrangement can make this super late game very viable. (Metropolis is probably the best map for this.)


And manner mules are a good unit. Because they have 99% win rate...
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#476
Race you play = weakest
Race that just beat you = best
The other race = inbetween
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 17 2012 08:35 GMT
#477
On August 17 2012 17:33 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote:
Minigun gets too nervous, he's better than probably everyone in his group if he plays calm


Intresting so Minigun's skill is above that of a Bomber hmmmm.
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
August 17 2012 08:36 GMT
#478
On August 17 2012 17:31 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:30 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 17 2012 17:27 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Oh well, mOOnGLaDe took a game off the best Protoss in the group in his weakest match-up.

I think GLaDe will crush elfi after seeing this. elfi's forcefields are quite infamous haha.

Lol, I love your confidence with SEA players... I highly doubt he will crush Elfi.


It's not with SEA players. I didn't think PiG had a chance in his group. SEA players are fucked in the FXOpen Invitational Series too (except tgun)

mOOnGLaDe's group is one I looked at, just like last IEM and said "Yep. GLaDe can advance from this."


How do you still see him advancing? Elfi's PvZ is better than Grubby's and Slivko is a ZvZ beast. Moonglade might beat Minigun and maybe Bomber, but that won't be enough to advance.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 17 2012 08:36 GMT
#479
On August 17 2012 17:33 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:31 KalWarkov wrote:
On August 17 2012 17:30 najreteip wrote:
Wasn't orc considered one of the strongest races?


till 2008, orc was considered a weak race. after that, orc became really good and finally the best race.

the main reason for it was the switch from farseer as mainhero to the mighty blademaster and the focus on him with items.


That and the whole creep route they learned. Also they finally realized that SH > TC. Orc was never bad, only badly played.

Uhhh, SH isn't better than TC. It's just different styles. Of the two best Orc v. UD, Grubby preferred SH and Lyn preferred TC. They both had similar success rates.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
August 17 2012 08:36 GMT
#480
On August 17 2012 17:35 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:34 flowSthead wrote:
Wasn't Grubby one of the main reasons Orc stop being considered the weakest race?


Orc was never the weakest race .lol
People just fail to realize the potential of Blademaster.


I mean, if no one was using Blademaster then it could be the weakest in the metagame without being the weakest in terms of potential.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
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