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On July 02 2012 20:37 opterown wrote:
sniper 2:1 i think? win not in sniper's history yet, but a loss in curious'
confirmed!
last final is yugi vs losira!!
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On July 02 2012 20:37 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:36 samurai80 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:34 Bagration wrote:On July 02 2012 20:32 samurai80 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:29 s3rp wrote:On July 02 2012 20:27 samurai80 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:25 s3rp wrote:On July 02 2012 20:23 sekritzzz wrote:On July 02 2012 20:21 samurai80 wrote:
Ok, so tell me if I'm wrong but basically currently this is :
Seeded non-Kespa players : 2Z, 1T, 1P
Qualified non-Kespa players : 6Z, 2T, 4P
Overall 8Z, 3T, 4P
The polls were really bad today then. The results and the polls are way too different...
So many zergs T_T enough with the ZvZ ........ im gonna die here......at least I could enjoy the TvT's back then.... Well get used to it until at least the next balance patch . I think we should still wait a little bit until the match-ups stabilize but it's true things are getting a bit worrying. Only way this is gonna change without a balance patch is introducing a bunch of different maps that aren't great for Zerg. Yeah probably :/ Steppes of War! Ha ha ha the good old Steppes of War would be fun ^^ I don't think so i'd guess creepspread would be at the natural of Terran by 10 minutes. ^^ I guess you could still All-In very well there though ^^
Pfft we wouldn't let the game go to 10 mins. 2 rax all day everyday
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On July 02 2012 20:37 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:35 s3rp wrote:On July 02 2012 20:33 Probe1 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad. Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup. Dude that's pretty shit of you to say. zvz is entertaining in moderation. tvt is entertaining in moderation. I appreciate no one likes a shitload of zvz. I don't like playing it over and over. But saying TvT is a skillful matchup (and I'm assuming that implies other matchups require less skill) is fucking stupid.  Also, I believe it was you saying Daybreak was bad for T. TvZ: 107-107 (50%) k Daybreak is one of the better Maps for TvZ in the mappool because there's no way Creepspread will be at the 3rd/4th Base of the non-zerg by 12-15 minutes. Season 3: Code A TvZ: 4-1 (80%) Season 3: Code S TvZ: 17-16 (51.5%) No Daybreak TvZs in Code A TvZ: 5-3 (62.5%) in Code S Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:37 OnFiRe888 wrote:
So much talk about zvz and tvt. What about pvp? 0.o Heh I'd say pvp is the mirror matchup thats come the farthest!
Yeah like i said one of the better Maps in the pool.
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Pretty sure this belongs here. Classic.
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silentsc2, are you doing ingame stalking? ie with the kr client haha
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On July 02 2012 20:39 JohannesClimacus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:35 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
TvT is overrated. Best tvt was the during the mech days. It's still the best mirror but ZvZ isn't far behind these days and may even overtake it should we see more development like we have been recently. Personally, I always thought it was the least figured out MU. I think early/mid game PvP has improved 10 fold in the last couple of months. If someone could develop a lategame counter to collossi that was not just more collossi then it would be an eminently watchable matchup.
If Colossus were removed, late game PvP would be epic. We might even see carriers in the mix.
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On July 02 2012 20:38 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:29 s3rp wrote:On July 02 2012 20:27 samurai80 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:25 s3rp wrote:On July 02 2012 20:23 sekritzzz wrote:On July 02 2012 20:21 samurai80 wrote:
Ok, so tell me if I'm wrong but basically currently this is :
Seeded non-Kespa players : 2Z, 1T, 1P
Qualified non-Kespa players : 6Z, 2T, 4P
Overall 8Z, 3T, 4P
The polls were really bad today then. The results and the polls are way too different...
So many zergs T_T enough with the ZvZ ........ im gonna die here......at least I could enjoy the TvT's back then.... Well get used to it until at least the next balance patch . I think we should still wait a little bit until the match-ups stabilize but it's true things are getting a bit worrying. Only way this is gonna change without a balance patch is introducing a bunch of different maps that aren't great for Zerg. The maps they used seem to make for a pretty good balance at least in TvZ. If i'm not mistaken, in this qualifier ZvT is at 25W-29L for terran.
The thing about Ohana , Antiga though is once the game progresses 15-20+ minutes Terran really has a problem moving into parts of the Maps that isn't full of creep . They are almost 3 Bases exclusive ( which doesn't mean you can't win but its pretty bad in later stages ) .
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On July 02 2012 20:41 Gijian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:39 JohannesClimacus wrote:On July 02 2012 20:35 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
TvT is overrated. Best tvt was the during the mech days. It's still the best mirror but ZvZ isn't far behind these days and may even overtake it should we see more development like we have been recently. Personally, I always thought it was the least figured out MU. I think early/mid game PvP has improved 10 fold in the last couple of months. If someone could develop a lategame counter to collossi that was not just more collossi then it would be an eminently watchable matchup. If Colossus were removed, late game PvP would be epic. We might even see carriers in the mix.
Pretty much my thoughts.
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anyone know yugi's profile?
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On July 02 2012 20:41 opterown wrote:
silentsc2, are you doing ingame stalking? ie with the kr client haha
Of course! Makes life much easier. I first did it from their match history but I realized I had a KR client and did it from there! :D
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On July 02 2012 20:36 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:34 samurai80 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:32 SolidMustard wrote:On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad. Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup. Yup it's like one of the most interesting match-ups. Much more depth than ZvZ and PvP and much more variety Not more variety than ZvZ at the very least. Mostly what varies is the ratio of bio with your siege tanks force... Not really. Pure bio and pure mech are both viable and fairly frequent. There is a lot of different openings, and late game composition are also diversified with various mech / sky-terran combos. He, it comes to personal preference at some point but I gotta say TvT is my second favourite matchup after TvZ
Indeed, but apparently I'm just stupid for saying it's a very good matchup. Not just good for a mirror matchup. I've always liked it waaay more than PvZ. A great PvZ game is pretty good but those games are just so rare, to a lesser extent, the same with TvP although those are getting a little more watchable. The only problem I saw with TvT was during the GomTvT days there was so much of it that it became a little boring after a while. Nowadays I'd kill for a good TvT
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On July 02 2012 20:42 SilentSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:41 opterown wrote:
silentsc2, are you doing ingame stalking? ie with the kr client haha Of course! Makes life much easier. I first did it from their match history but I realized I had a KR client and did it from there! :D
ahh devs haha it would be much easier! too bad i don't have sc2 installed lol
thanks for all the help haha :D
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On July 02 2012 20:41 Gijian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:39 JohannesClimacus wrote:On July 02 2012 20:35 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
TvT is overrated. Best tvt was the during the mech days. It's still the best mirror but ZvZ isn't far behind these days and may even overtake it should we see more development like we have been recently. Personally, I always thought it was the least figured out MU. I think early/mid game PvP has improved 10 fold in the last couple of months. If someone could develop a lategame counter to collossi that was not just more collossi then it would be an eminently watchable matchup. If Colossus were removed, late game PvP would be epic. We might even see carriers in the mix.
Hidden stargate tech is really good in pvp, the only problem is, so is mothership and archons. QQ
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On July 02 2012 20:39 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:37 Probe1 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:35 s3rp wrote:On July 02 2012 20:33 Probe1 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad. Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup. Dude that's pretty shit of you to say. zvz is entertaining in moderation. tvt is entertaining in moderation. I appreciate no one likes a shitload of zvz. I don't like playing it over and over. But saying TvT is a skillful matchup (and I'm assuming that implies other matchups require less skill) is fucking stupid. Also, I believe it was you saying Daybreak was bad for T. TvZ: 107-107 (50%) k Daybreak is one of the better Maps for TvZ in the mappool because there's no way Creepspread will be at the 3rd/4th Base of the non-zerg by 12-15 minutes. Season 3: Code A TvZ: 4-1 (80%) Season 3: Code S TvZ: 17-16 (51.5%) No Daybreak TvZs in Code A TvZ: 5-3 (62.5%) in Code S On July 02 2012 20:37 OnFiRe888 wrote:
So much talk about zvz and tvt. What about pvp? 0.o Heh I'd say pvp is the mirror matchup thats come the farthest! Yeah like i said one of the better Maps in the pool.
Definitely I would never argue against the inclusion of Daybreak. For SC2, it's one of the best balanced maps ever made imo.
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TvZ is in a pretty bad state right now. I think a lot of the maps changes were to balance the strong Terran early mid game. But then the Queen buff went in with the same maps so the balance tilted back too much. Terrans actually did well in the MLG qualifiers because it had maps like TDA, Skakurus Plateau in the map pool. I know terrans get a lot of grief for picking Antiga whenever they lose game 1 vs Zerg. But really, that is the only good map for terrans now.
In this qualifier specific, the terrans that made it out (MKP, Byun) both didn't really have strong zergs in their bracket. MKP's had Violet and he got taken out by Lure. And a lot of the top terrans were taken out by zergs. MMA, Polt, Jjajki. The only terran that actually did well vs Zerg was dreamertt (took out Hyun and July)
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On July 02 2012 20:42 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:36 SolidMustard wrote:On July 02 2012 20:34 samurai80 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:32 SolidMustard wrote:On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad. Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup. Yup it's like one of the most interesting match-ups. Much more depth than ZvZ and PvP and much more variety Not more variety than ZvZ at the very least. Mostly what varies is the ratio of bio with your siege tanks force... Not really. Pure bio and pure mech are both viable and fairly frequent. There is a lot of different openings, and late game composition are also diversified with various mech / sky-terran combos. He, it comes to personal preference at some point but I gotta say TvT is my second favourite matchup after TvZ Indeed, but apparently I'm just stupid for saying it's a very good matchup. Not just good for a mirror matchup. I've always liked it waaay more than PvZ. A great PvZ game is pretty good but those games are just so rare, to a lesser extent, the same with TvP although those are getting a little more watchable. The only problem I saw with TvT was during the GomTvT days there was so much of it that it became a little boring after a while. Nowadays I'd kill for a good TvT
PvZ is great cmon !
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Yeah I don't follow how PvZ can be bad at all. It's incredibly complex and entertaining to watch.
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On July 02 2012 20:44 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 20:42 AxionSteel wrote:On July 02 2012 20:36 SolidMustard wrote:On July 02 2012 20:34 samurai80 wrote:On July 02 2012 20:32 SolidMustard wrote:On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad. Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup. Yup it's like one of the most interesting match-ups. Much more depth than ZvZ and PvP and much more variety Not more variety than ZvZ at the very least. Mostly what varies is the ratio of bio with your siege tanks force... Not really. Pure bio and pure mech are both viable and fairly frequent. There is a lot of different openings, and late game composition are also diversified with various mech / sky-terran combos. He, it comes to personal preference at some point but I gotta say TvT is my second favourite matchup after TvZ Indeed, but apparently I'm just stupid for saying it's a very good matchup. Not just good for a mirror matchup. I've always liked it waaay more than PvZ. A great PvZ game is pretty good but those games are just so rare, to a lesser extent, the same with TvP although those are getting a little more watchable. The only problem I saw with TvT was during the GomTvT days there was so much of it that it became a little boring after a while. Nowadays I'd kill for a good TvT PvZ is great cmon !
not for protoss 0.o
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