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samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 02 2012 11:34 GMT
#1761
On July 02 2012 20:32 SolidMustard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad.


Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup.


Yup it's like one of the most interesting match-ups. Much more depth than ZvZ and PvP and much more variety

Not more variety than ZvZ at the very least. Mostly what varies is the ratio of bio with your siege tanks force...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 02 2012 11:34 GMT
#1762
ffs has losira-yugi started yet lol
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 02 2012 11:34 GMT
#1763
On July 02 2012 20:32 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 20:29 s3rp wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:27 samurai80 wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:25 s3rp wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:23 sekritzzz wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:21 samurai80 wrote:
Ok, so tell me if I'm wrong but basically currently this is :
Seeded non-Kespa players : 2Z, 1T, 1P
Qualified non-Kespa players : 6Z, 2T, 4P
Overall 8Z, 3T, 4P

The polls were really bad today then. The results and the polls are way too different...
So many zergs T_T

enough with the ZvZ ........ im gonna die here......at least I could enjoy the TvT's back then....


Well get used to it until at least the next balance patch .

I think we should still wait a little bit until the match-ups stabilize but it's true things are getting a bit worrying.


Only way this is gonna change without a balance patch is introducing a bunch of different maps that aren't great for Zerg.

Yeah probably :/


Steppes of War!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SilentSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United States505 Posts
July 02 2012 11:34 GMT
#1764
On July 02 2012 20:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Losira 8-0 with finally some different Korean writing....going to assume he's won at least 1 game in there somewhere by now xD


And you would be assuming wrong... from what I see they haven't started yet...
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
July 02 2012 11:35 GMT
#1765
On July 02 2012 20:33 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad.


Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup.


Dude that's pretty shit of you to say. zvz is entertaining in moderation. tvt is entertaining in moderation. I appreciate no one likes a shitload of zvz. I don't like playing it over and over. But saying TvT is a skillful matchup (and I'm assuming that implies other matchups require less skill) is fucking stupid.

Also, I believe it was you saying Daybreak was bad for T.
TvZ: 107-107 (50%)

k


Daybreak is one of the better Maps for TvZ in the mappool because there's no way Creepspread will be at the 3rd/4th Base of the non-zerg by 12-15 minutes.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
July 02 2012 11:35 GMT
#1766
its a tragedy we will never get to see the games of this qualifier, what would i give for a replaypack...
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 02 2012 11:35 GMT
#1767
TvT is overrated. Best tvt was the during the mech days. It's still the best mirror but ZvZ isn't far behind these days and may even overtake it should we see more development like we have been recently. Personally, I always thought it was the least figured out MU.
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Williammm
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia908 Posts
July 02 2012 11:35 GMT
#1768
Yugioh has to win this. He's the king of qualifiers
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 02 2012 11:36 GMT
#1769
On July 02 2012 20:34 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 20:32 samurai80 wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:29 s3rp wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:27 samurai80 wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:25 s3rp wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:23 sekritzzz wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:21 samurai80 wrote:
Ok, so tell me if I'm wrong but basically currently this is :
Seeded non-Kespa players : 2Z, 1T, 1P
Qualified non-Kespa players : 6Z, 2T, 4P
Overall 8Z, 3T, 4P

The polls were really bad today then. The results and the polls are way too different...
So many zergs T_T

enough with the ZvZ ........ im gonna die here......at least I could enjoy the TvT's back then....


Well get used to it until at least the next balance patch .

I think we should still wait a little bit until the match-ups stabilize but it's true things are getting a bit worrying.


Only way this is gonna change without a balance patch is introducing a bunch of different maps that aren't great for Zerg.

Yeah probably :/


Steppes of War!

Ha ha ha the good old Steppes of War would be fun ^^
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
July 02 2012 11:36 GMT
#1770
On July 02 2012 20:34 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 20:32 SolidMustard wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad.


Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup.


Yup it's like one of the most interesting match-ups. Much more depth than ZvZ and PvP and much more variety

Not more variety than ZvZ at the very least. Mostly what varies is the ratio of bio with your siege tanks force...


Not really. Pure bio and pure mech are both viable and fairly frequent. There is a lot of different openings, and late game composition are also diversified with various mech / sky-terran combos. He, it comes to personal preference at some point but I gotta say TvT is my second favourite matchup after TvZ
SilentSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United States505 Posts
July 02 2012 11:37 GMT
#1771
Sniper 2-1 Curious. Sniper advances!
OnFiRe888
Profile Joined October 2010
United States629 Posts
July 02 2012 11:37 GMT
#1772
So much talk about zvz and tvt. What about pvp? 0.o
"Life isn't measured by the breaths you take, but by skill in Starcraft"
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 11:37:48
July 02 2012 11:37 GMT
#1773
sniper 2:1 i think? win not in sniper's history yet, but a loss in curious'
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 11:38:04
July 02 2012 11:37 GMT
#1774
On July 02 2012 20:35 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 20:33 Probe1 wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:30 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:29 Probe1 wrote:
Eh I don't get how people can say ZvZ sucks then with a straight face say TvT was fine. Mirror matches aren't great but zvz isn't bad.


Because TvT was fine? It's stragetical, positional and could also be dynamic. It is a skillful matchup.


Dude that's pretty shit of you to say. zvz is entertaining in moderation. tvt is entertaining in moderation. I appreciate no one likes a shitload of zvz. I don't like playing it over and over. But saying TvT is a skillful matchup (and I'm assuming that implies other matchups require less skill) is fucking stupid.

Also, I believe it was you saying Daybreak was bad for T.
TvZ: 107-107 (50%)

k


Daybreak is one of the better Maps for TvZ in the mappool because there's no way Creepspread will be at the 3rd/4th Base of the non-zerg by 12-15 minutes.

Season 3: Code A
TvZ: 4-1 (80%)
Season 3: Code S
TvZ: 17-16 (51.5%)

No Daybreak TvZs in Code A
TvZ: 5-3 (62.5%) in Code S
On July 02 2012 20:37 OnFiRe888 wrote:
So much talk about zvz and tvt. What about pvp? 0.o

Heh I'd say pvp is the mirror matchup thats come the farthest!
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
July 02 2012 11:37 GMT
#1775
On July 02 2012 20:36 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 20:34 Bagration wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:32 samurai80 wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:29 s3rp wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:27 samurai80 wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:25 s3rp wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:23 sekritzzz wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:21 samurai80 wrote:
Ok, so tell me if I'm wrong but basically currently this is :
Seeded non-Kespa players : 2Z, 1T, 1P
Qualified non-Kespa players : 6Z, 2T, 4P
Overall 8Z, 3T, 4P

The polls were really bad today then. The results and the polls are way too different...
So many zergs T_T

enough with the ZvZ ........ im gonna die here......at least I could enjoy the TvT's back then....


Well get used to it until at least the next balance patch .

I think we should still wait a little bit until the match-ups stabilize but it's true things are getting a bit worrying.


Only way this is gonna change without a balance patch is introducing a bunch of different maps that aren't great for Zerg.

Yeah probably :/


Steppes of War!

Ha ha ha the good old Steppes of War would be fun ^^


I don't think so i'd guess creepspread would be at the natural of Terran by 10 minutes. ^^ I guess you could still All-In very well there though ^^
SilentSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United States505 Posts
July 02 2012 11:38 GMT
#1776
Looks like Losira vs Yugioh finally started but not 100% sure...
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
July 02 2012 11:38 GMT
#1777
On July 02 2012 20:29 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 20:27 samurai80 wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:25 s3rp wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:23 sekritzzz wrote:
On July 02 2012 20:21 samurai80 wrote:
Ok, so tell me if I'm wrong but basically currently this is :
Seeded non-Kespa players : 2Z, 1T, 1P
Qualified non-Kespa players : 6Z, 2T, 4P
Overall 8Z, 3T, 4P

The polls were really bad today then. The results and the polls are way too different...
So many zergs T_T

enough with the ZvZ ........ im gonna die here......at least I could enjoy the TvT's back then....


Well get used to it until at least the next balance patch .

I think we should still wait a little bit until the match-ups stabilize but it's true things are getting a bit worrying.


Only way this is gonna change without a balance patch is introducing a bunch of different maps that aren't great for Zerg.


The maps they used seem to make for a pretty good balance at least in TvZ.

If i'm not mistaken, in this qualifier ZvT is at 25W-29L for terran.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
July 02 2012 11:38 GMT
#1778
sniper yes! awesome
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 02 2012 11:39 GMT
#1779
On July 02 2012 20:35 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
TvT is overrated. Best tvt was the during the mech days. It's still the best mirror but ZvZ isn't far behind these days and may even overtake it should we see more development like we have been recently. Personally, I always thought it was the least figured out MU.

Yeah, and I personally think ZvZ is already better. Recent TvT have mostly been this tanks siege / unsiege shit, the guys taken by surprise when unsieging losing most of the time...
JohannesClimacus
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom66 Posts
July 02 2012 11:39 GMT
#1780
On July 02 2012 20:35 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
TvT is overrated. Best tvt was the during the mech days. It's still the best mirror but ZvZ isn't far behind these days and may even overtake it should we see more development like we have been recently. Personally, I always thought it was the least figured out MU.


I think early/mid game PvP has improved 10 fold in the last couple of months. If someone could develop a lategame counter to collossi that was not just more collossi then it would be an eminently watchable matchup.
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