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[EG MCSL] Finals Weekend - Season VII - Day 1 - Page 13

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leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
July 01 2012 01:39 GMT
#241
Awesome flank and victory to mana! :D
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 01 2012 01:39 GMT
#242
On July 01 2012 10:39 AdamBanks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 10:38 Noocta wrote:
I don't understand marine banshee tank push anymore.
It's like, the unupgraded marines are carrying the useless tanks more than anything.


Seemed like sloppy positioning x.x but i could see all so meh..


Just seems like forever since that strat won a game in an official match.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 01:39:55
July 01 2012 01:39 GMT
#243
On July 01 2012 10:38 Noocta wrote:
I don't understand marine banshee tank push anymore.
It's like, the unupgraded marines are carrying the useless tanks more than anything.


If you don't have tanks, you'll just be forcefielded.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
July 01 2012 01:40 GMT
#244
I'm pretty disappointed by alive here, but anyway, he can get revenge in the ace match potentially.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
July 01 2012 01:41 GMT
#245
On July 01 2012 10:39 Denzil wrote:
can anyone explain what the difference between 1-1-1s these days are and 1-1-1s a few months ago when protoss claimed it was impossible?

whats changed and what have protoss improved on?

They gave the immortal +1 range, so it is now much better at killing tanks.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
July 01 2012 01:42 GMT
#246
On July 01 2012 10:39 Denzil wrote:
can anyone explain what the difference between 1-1-1s these days are and 1-1-1s a few months ago when protoss claimed it was impossible?

whats changed and what have protoss improved on?


Maps have changed. Protoss players just got more comfortable with the technicalities of defending the push. It's still pretty good though, Terrans win with it more often than not. Just not good enough to be the default TvP strategy.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 01 2012 01:43 GMT
#247
protoss also started opening 1 gate expand or nexus first almost exclusively.. these are the makings of a 1-1-1 counter. In the past P players rotated in robo openings, 3 gate expand , 3 gate robo etc..
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 01:47:37
July 01 2012 01:45 GMT
#248
On July 01 2012 10:39 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 10:39 AdamBanks wrote:
On July 01 2012 10:38 Noocta wrote:
I don't understand marine banshee tank push anymore.
It's like, the unupgraded marines are carrying the useless tanks more than anything.


Seemed like sloppy positioning x.x but i could see all so meh..


Just seems like forever since that strat won a game in an official match.


Does great in diamond tho :D, really need to max on tank aoe to get stuff down quick, flank and the zealots engaging into the bio ball really seemed to negate any usefulness the tanks normally would do o.o

edit: stack the aoe that is o.o spreading just makes stuff live longer
I wrote a song once.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 01 2012 01:47 GMT
#249
On July 01 2012 10:43 iNcontroL wrote:
protoss also started opening 1 gate expand or nexus first almost exclusively.. these are the makings of a 1-1-1 counter. In the past P players rotated in robo openings, 3 gate expand , 3 gate robo etc..


I don't think that's true. Protoss players used 1 gate expo in PvT during the golden age of 111.

Imo, it's more about the larger maps and just having more experience against it.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
July 01 2012 01:48 GMT
#250
lol why is morrow in this game?
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
July 01 2012 01:48 GMT
#251
is this the last match(s)?
I wrote a song once.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
July 01 2012 01:48 GMT
#252
come on morrow

Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 01:50:51
July 01 2012 01:49 GMT
#253
On July 01 2012 10:48 AdamBanks wrote:
is this the last match(s)?


No, there is another series of games after Mouz vs Fnatic.

Edit: If Morrow wins then it will go to an ace match.
terranuapart
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada67 Posts
July 01 2012 01:50 GMT
#254
On July 01 2012 10:47 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 10:43 iNcontroL wrote:
protoss also started opening 1 gate expand or nexus first almost exclusively.. these are the makings of a 1-1-1 counter. In the past P players rotated in robo openings, 3 gate expand , 3 gate robo etc..


I don't think that's true. Protoss players used 1 gate expo in PvT during the golden age of 111.

Imo, it's more about the larger maps and just having more experience against it.


its a bit of both. protoss players are learning to drop expos much earlier while still saying safe which inturn lets your economy kick in before / as the push comes . and larger rush distance definately helps because vs 111 every second counts
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 01 2012 01:56 GMT
#255
On July 01 2012 09:57 Hall0wed wrote:
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On July 01 2012 09:53 iNcontroL wrote:
even if I think eg is better than mouz the way I said it was sarcastic AS AN EG PLAYER/CONTRACTED PERSON.. it wasn't like I was making a case for our supremecy or something jesus lol

Keep the angst to the sotg thread plz.. if you actually don't like my casting keep it constructive otherwise I would remind you TL has a no caster bashing rule in place !! ! ! ! also respect your elders <-- me


Well EG is better than Mouz so I don't see why anyone would get upset over things here.


Because this is during a Mouz game. In EG's own tournament. In the playoffs that EG failed to qualify for.

I didn't catch the statement so I'm not sure if he was being sarcastic or asinine but in general that kind of a statement would be out of place in a cast like this.
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
July 01 2012 01:56 GMT
#256
hehe morrow got balls
I wrote a song once.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
July 01 2012 01:58 GMT
#257
On a related note, Alive's play this series makes me wonder whether a gasless expand should really be the standard TvP build. Maybe Terran players should approach the matchup the same way they used to approach TvZ - try to scare the Protoss and force them to prepare for a wide variety of attacks which may or may not be coming. I wonder how effective it would be if Terrans would open with gas every single game, get a reactor on their first rax, and proceed from there - either 2 rax, some version of 1/1/1, or pulling scvs off gas and an in-base CC. With proper scouting denial, it is literally impossible for Protoss to tell the difference between these without building a Robo, which they may want to delay (because of 2 rax).

I know that confirming a gasless expand early on just prompts me to chronoboost probes and upgrades forever behind 4 sentries and 2 zealots. I wonder if the economic gain from the gasless expand is worth letting me do that.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
July 01 2012 01:59 GMT
#258
Guess it'll go to the ace match. ToD is by quite a bit Fnatic's weakest player imo. And MorroW has sick ZvP which most of us known by now.
#freeshauni
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
July 01 2012 02:02 GMT
#259
On July 01 2012 10:56 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 09:57 Hall0wed wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:53 iNcontroL wrote:
even if I think eg is better than mouz the way I said it was sarcastic AS AN EG PLAYER/CONTRACTED PERSON.. it wasn't like I was making a case for our supremecy or something jesus lol

Keep the angst to the sotg thread plz.. if you actually don't like my casting keep it constructive otherwise I would remind you TL has a no caster bashing rule in place !! ! ! ! also respect your elders <-- me


Well EG is better than Mouz so I don't see why anyone would get upset over things here.


Because this is during a Mouz game. In EG's own tournament. In the playoffs that EG failed to qualify for.

I didn't catch the statement so I'm not sure if he was being sarcastic or asinine but in general that kind of a statement would be out of place in a cast like this.


Yes sir, joking around and having fun have no place in e-sports!
I wrote a song once.
mjnbowlgod
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 02:03:24
July 01 2012 02:02 GMT
#260
Incontrol you would do yourself a huge favor to stop defending everything you say or do on these forums, its not gonna make a difference. be who you are and thats it.
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