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Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
June 18 2012 20:20 GMT
#4961
On June 19 2012 05:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
When does the games start?

22:45 is the scheduled time, but I think it will be ongoing just as the DOTA 2 final will be over.
Anonymous_Coward
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom1347 Posts
June 18 2012 20:20 GMT
#4962
On June 19 2012 05:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
When does the games start?



About an hour.
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
June 18 2012 20:20 GMT
#4963
On June 19 2012 05:19 WiljushkA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:15 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:10 WiljushkA wrote:
im sorry if someone gets offended but damn, what disappointing sc2 finals.


Are you joking? it show how amasing the EU scene are. All koreans knocked out in ro16. All the heavy favories knocked out in R08 and semi final.

Dimaga and Mana deserve this just as much As Stephano and Hero would if they had made it to the final


obviously they deserve it if they made it this far. it's just that i absolutely hate watching dima's zvp (and generally his decision making in any matchup) and mana's pvz from a spectator's standpoint.


Totally agree, considering the potential that this final day had, the upcoming finals are incredibly disappointing. I never thought I would go to sleep early today rather than watch the finals.
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
June 18 2012 20:21 GMT
#4964
On June 19 2012 05:20 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
When does the games start?

22:45 is the scheduled time, but I think it will be ongoing just as the DOTA 2 final will be over.

The TV broadcast starts at 22:45, the finals actually starts 23:15. No idea of when the online stream starts.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
June 18 2012 20:21 GMT
#4965
On June 19 2012 05:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
When does the games start?


11:15 pm or 23:15, or when dota2 finals end.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 20:23:19
June 18 2012 20:23 GMT
#4966
I hope the GSL does invite whoever wins this tournament and the player accepts.

I'd love to see Mana or Dimaga in the GSL.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19302 Posts
June 18 2012 20:23 GMT
#4967
On June 19 2012 05:20 Animzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:19 WiljushkA wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:15 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:10 WiljushkA wrote:
im sorry if someone gets offended but damn, what disappointing sc2 finals.


Are you joking? it show how amasing the EU scene are. All koreans knocked out in ro16. All the heavy favories knocked out in R08 and semi final.

Dimaga and Mana deserve this just as much As Stephano and Hero would if they had made it to the final


obviously they deserve it if they made it this far. it's just that i absolutely hate watching dima's zvp (and generally his decision making in any matchup) and mana's pvz from a spectator's standpoint.


Totally agree, considering the potential that this final day had, the upcoming finals are incredibly disappointing. I never thought I would go to sleep early today rather than watch the finals.


I actually think their play styles are what will make this finals amazing. We get to see how Dimaga responds to the FF + immortal timing attack while Mana has to deal with the ling + bling combo. We are bound to get very unique games because both styles negate the other in their own ways.
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schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
June 18 2012 20:23 GMT
#4968
On June 19 2012 05:17 Zackeva wrote:
As much as Dimaga deserved his wins versus both NaNiwa and Fraer, I'm seeing very few options for protoss against that strategy of his relying on massive baneling drops on top of the protoss army, reinforced by huge swells of lings. The banelings blow up the zealots, and then the scattered stalkers are pretty much doomed when their support is gone. The way to beat would be to hit before the drop research is done, I guess, but banelings should really take up one supply, rather than a half, the entire game imo. The way I see it, having copious amounts of units doing significant splash damage should tie up a bit more of your supply.

Maybe there should also be a possibility to feedback overlords, to get rid of a bit of their health when they're flying above your army or into your base, just to reward a player with high apm and tier three units out, aiding him when defending against the approaching assault. I'm not thinking of a change that would negate the drop strategy, but give the protoss player an option as to whether he'd want to deal with the baneling shower or the infestors with his templar. In addition, this would imply that overlords should also have an ability that costs energy and therefore might not have a large impact on the racial balance. Just thinking out loud here.


Imho templar tech is neccessary... you also need sentries and it's really really expensive and not as *standard* as robo. Also, if Dimaga suddenly (who would have thought he doesnt do the same stuff every game!! ) switches his strats it could also prove a bit of a problem...

I'm really interested in the finals!
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
June 18 2012 20:24 GMT
#4969
On June 19 2012 05:17 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:16 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:08 Asymmetric wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:06 Kontys wrote:
Reading through the live reports, it really feels like TL is not taking this tournament seriously. Or atleast are not putting in much effort at all describing the matches. It even feels a bit like "pfft foreigner tournament, i'll just throw something at it since noone who knows shit is reading". Not cool.


I did think It was odd TL didn't do a preview of this tournament on its front page, especially since most of the top TL players were there.

I mean, we get front page previews every single day of the GSTL.



They didnt do one for GESL or Redbull lan.
TL really falling behind on these.


You can write something


That is such a stupid response.
When somebody doesnt do something correctly (or at all), you dont say "oh well why didnt you do it then?"
That is a first grader's argument.
There are many, many reasons why I didnt write it. I know TL has volunteers, but still, the "well then you write it then" is bullshit and immature.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
June 18 2012 20:24 GMT
#4970
On June 19 2012 05:20 Animzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:19 WiljushkA wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:15 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:10 WiljushkA wrote:
im sorry if someone gets offended but damn, what disappointing sc2 finals.


Are you joking? it show how amasing the EU scene are. All koreans knocked out in ro16. All the heavy favories knocked out in R08 and semi final.

Dimaga and Mana deserve this just as much As Stephano and Hero would if they had made it to the final


obviously they deserve it if they made it this far. it's just that i absolutely hate watching dima's zvp (and generally his decision making in any matchup) and mana's pvz from a spectator's standpoint.


Totally agree, considering the potential that this final day had, the upcoming finals are incredibly disappointing. I never thought I would go to sleep early today rather than watch the finals.


What if I told you that you must watch the games before commenting on their quality.
Nyctophobia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada99 Posts
June 18 2012 20:24 GMT
#4971
On June 19 2012 04:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 03:55 Winsti wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:48 baldgye wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:44 0neder wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:43 Jetaap wrote:
Again... an immortal sentry all in >_<... so stupid and boring

Can't fault the players for exploiting game design in an attempt to win.

Not really exploiting game design... its exploiting Stephano's style.

Ling infestor smashes the shit out of sentry immortal all in... Sentry immortal just hard counters Stephano's max roach pushes.


idd, its something I've been doing vs every z for a while, becasue nearly every z on ladder does the stephano max on roaches build... and it was really nice seeing the counter to that being done so well and at such a high level

There is currently no answer as Zerg to a well executed immortal/sentry

thats not really true. its stupidly strong but beatable. the 2nd game stephano cancelled his top left hatch when he didnt have enough larvae to produce lings anyway, and he was on 2 gas so he couldnt make roaches. with the extra larvae of lings or with more spine crawlers he couldve held. he was almost at the tipping point anyway.

zergs dont focus on creep spread enough either, which is very important vs the immortal allin.

and ling infestor or ling bane+drop are build counters to it, they just have other weaknesses.


I'm in a state of unbelievable and utter shock right now.
If you can chill, chill.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 20:26:05
June 18 2012 20:25 GMT
#4972
On June 19 2012 05:21 Chenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:20 Eee wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
When does the games start?

22:45 is the scheduled time, but I think it will be ongoing just as the DOTA 2 final will be over.

The TV broadcast starts at 22:45, the finals actually starts 23:15. No idea of when the online stream starts.


Which channel?

Edit: Nvm, foundt it. SVT2.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 18 2012 20:25 GMT
#4973
haha just watched the VOD of mana vs stephano

mana typing in the chat when he won both games made my day.
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
June 18 2012 20:25 GMT
#4974
On June 19 2012 05:25 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:21 Chenz wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:20 Eee wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
When does the games start?

22:45 is the scheduled time, but I think it will be ongoing just as the DOTA 2 final will be over.

The TV broadcast starts at 22:45, the finals actually starts 23:15. No idea of when the online stream starts.


Which channel?

SVT2
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
June 18 2012 20:25 GMT
#4975
What the fuuuudge? Dimaga vs Mana finals??? How did that happen :D
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
June 18 2012 20:26 GMT
#4976
On June 19 2012 05:24 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:17 Linwelin wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:16 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:08 Asymmetric wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:06 Kontys wrote:
Reading through the live reports, it really feels like TL is not taking this tournament seriously. Or atleast are not putting in much effort at all describing the matches. It even feels a bit like "pfft foreigner tournament, i'll just throw something at it since noone who knows shit is reading". Not cool.


I did think It was odd TL didn't do a preview of this tournament on its front page, especially since most of the top TL players were there.

I mean, we get front page previews every single day of the GSTL.



They didnt do one for GESL or Redbull lan.
TL really falling behind on these.


You can write something


That is such a stupid response.
When somebody doesnt do something correctly (or at all), you dont say "oh well why didnt you do it then?"
That is a first grader's argument.
There are many, many reasons why I didnt write it. I know TL has volunteers, but still, the "well then you write it then" is bullshit and immature.


Oh please, since TL articles are mainly written by volunteers, maybe there was simply no one that wanted to write something about GESL or Redbull lan? Can you really blame TL for that?
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
June 18 2012 20:27 GMT
#4977

Hahah and all those GSL players just got destroyed by the EU players. What does that tell you?[/QUOTE]
doesnt change his point tho, if you're assuming suddently foreigners are better than GSL players, why dont they win a GSL..[/QUOTE]

Because few of them participate in the GSL.... the few "foreigners" who have taken part in that particular league have been fairly successful, having only tried it a couple of times each. If you look at a prestigious competition such as Code S you'll notice that the players there have been trying to get a win for a long time, and before they were aiming for the win they were struggling just to get into the league. If all the players who attended DHS this year went to Korea and played in the GSL month after month after month, a lot of them would do great. Others would not, because in the end, it's not about koreans vs foreigners; it's about players of different calibers.
Cogito, ergo toss.
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 20:28:14
June 18 2012 20:27 GMT
#4978
On June 19 2012 05:09 Za7oX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:06 Kontys wrote:
Reading through the live reports, it really feels like TL is not taking this tournament seriously. Or atleast are not putting in much effort at all describing the matches. It even feels a bit like "pfft foreigner tournament, i'll just throw something at it since noone who knows shit is reading". Not cool.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345904 ?????????????


Yeah, it's like people don't actually search for anything. TL has had a LR feed and recap going for Dreamhack, just have to click on the article on the front page.


On June 19 2012 05:14 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:12 Kamikiri wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:06 Kontys wrote:
Reading through the live reports, it really feels like TL is not taking this tournament seriously. Or atleast are not putting in much effort at all describing the matches. It even feels a bit like "pfft foreigner tournament, i'll just throw something at it since noone who knows shit is reading". Not cool.


Why should anyone really care? I haven't watched this tournament at all because the level of players is so drastically lower than say the GSL.

and yet players like hero, taeja, naniwa and keen couldn't make it anywhere

hmm


Since when is Ro16 nowhere?

I swear, every time Americans whine about Koreans coming in, clogging our tourneys, and taking all of our IPL, NASL, MLG, and rando online tourney money Euros come in with their "LOL, get better" jabs. But Dreamhack has literally 3 Koreans of note, and those 3 Koreans get knocked out by the highest European players (which shouldn't be that surprising, Koreans aren't immortals. They get tagged out by tip-top Americans and Euros all the time), and somehow only Euros in the finals is just Europeans being awesome.

Okay, and TL hates you too, that's why there wasn't a GSL Code S level post for every day leading up to the tourney.

PROTIP: European elitism is just as bad as American elitism, and it's just as fucking enraging. There's a difference between rooting for your favorite national player (you know, showing patriotism), and acting completely hypocritical and being completely condescending because you live on the right side of the Atlantic Ocean.
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
June 18 2012 20:28 GMT
#4979
LoL and Dota2 in my opinion can never be popular enough for mainstream TV. They are so unfriendly to first time viewers. Ive watched over 5 games from them and im constantly lost. I remember watching warcraft 3 once and I was already getting the game but LoL and Dota2 ....are bleh
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
June 18 2012 20:29 GMT
#4980
If the guy next to toby grew little bit of facial hair he would look exactly like [image loading]
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