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On June 17 2012 07:20 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:14 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 07:11 teddyoojo wrote: i feel like this dreamhack showcases how fucking hard the competition in europe is I think it shows that the gulf in class between Korean/foreigners who train in Korea/Stephano and the general European players is getting bigger. mini(random unknown euro player) owns tod and kicks him out titan 2-0's jyp and kicks him out
I don't rate Tod at all. Extremely overrated player based on his Wc3 history. He's shown nothing in this game so doesn't suprise me one bit he loses to lesser known players.
Titan's quite well known and everyone knows anyone can win in PvP.
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On June 17 2012 07:15 NoGasfOu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:11 teddyoojo wrote: i feel like this dreamhack showcases how fucking hard the competition in europe is Actually the opposite. Every time I see a European tournament, there's a ton of no names that everyone is sure that they would go nowhere. They all look like low master EU server. Each group usually has one or two known players, and the rest are just there to be the victims. There's not enough known players to put into the pools. That's probably the reason Monster called foreign tournies are 100x times easier. When Dragon finishes 1st in his group with 6-0, you know what's wrong with the talent pool. Dreamhack has 32 frikking groups of 4 in the first round and it's an open tournament so anyone can sign up, ofcourse there's gonna be worse players in the first round! Just look at any start of the open brackets of MLG or first rounds of Code A qualifiers (where some people even get 2-3 byes in a row sometimes because the brackets aren't filled).
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ToD is through, what are you talking about?
At least the Dreamhack bracket shows it that way, I didn't calculate myself.
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On June 17 2012 07:21 ProxyKnoxy wrote: JYP seems to be such a good player but he always loses. A bit like Hero in a way the worst part is that he lost one PvP all tournament and is out.
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Feel bad for JYP. He only lost 1 series (3-0 in 1st Group Stage, 2-1 in 2nd Group Stage), but he's out. Bad Luck.
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merz 2-0 qxc, DieStar 1-1 Slivko, MaNa 0-2 Protosser,
What happens in group H? Protosser is first with 3-0, but then there's 3way tie between: MaNa, qxc and merz (all 1-2)
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Ret having fun with a diamond player :D
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On June 17 2012 07:18 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 17 2012 07:11 Asha` wrote: Speaks to how weak the foreign scene is that Daisy cruised to the first TSL qualifier spot but plays like this vs decent players
eww There weren't that many great players in the first EU/NA qualifier. Attero, Mana, Real, Babyknight, Grubby, Socke, Welmu, Titan, Bischu, HasuObs, Elfi, Cloud. Strelok, Merz, DBS, Happy, Trimaster, Satiini, KawaiiRice, Fenix, Naama, Goody, Dragon, Darkforce, Lowely, Delphi, Nerchi, Snute, Bly. Roof, Syz, Dimaga, Naugrim, BigS, Livezerg, Golden, killer, sheth, vibe, slivko, and morrow were all in it >_> And bischu made the finals in the other one.. Single elim with tons of bo1:s = unexpected results.
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Protosser
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Oh god, the casting due of InControl and Khaldor is so fucking awesome that I can't get enough of it.
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On June 17 2012 07:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:18 Asha` wrote:On June 17 2012 07:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 17 2012 07:11 Asha` wrote: Speaks to how weak the foreign scene is that Daisy cruised to the first TSL qualifier spot but plays like this vs decent players
eww There weren't that many great players in the first EU/NA qualifier. Attero, Mana, Real, Babyknight, Grubby, Socke, Welmu, Titan, Bischu, HasuObs, Elfi, Cloud. Strelok, Merz, DBS, Happy, Trimaster, Satiini, KawaiiRice, Fenix, Naama, Goody, Dragon, Darkforce, Lowely, Delphi, Nerchi, Snute, Bly. Roof, Syz, Dimaga, Naugrim, BigS, Livezerg, Golden, killer, sheth, vibe, slivko, and morrow were all in it >_> maybe missing the cream of the crop, but a pretty solid turnout. Thank you for reinforcing my point.
If we dont support the players who aren't TOP TOP level, the non korean scene dies. He did good to make it through TSL qual one. Good for him, he deserves respect for accomplishing qualifying at the very least.
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Diestar won against Slivko 2-1
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On June 17 2012 07:26 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 17 2012 07:18 Asha` wrote:On June 17 2012 07:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:On June 17 2012 07:11 Asha` wrote: Speaks to how weak the foreign scene is that Daisy cruised to the first TSL qualifier spot but plays like this vs decent players
eww There weren't that many great players in the first EU/NA qualifier. Attero, Mana, Real, Babyknight, Grubby, Socke, Welmu, Titan, Bischu, HasuObs, Elfi, Cloud. Strelok, Merz, DBS, Happy, Trimaster, Satiini, KawaiiRice, Fenix, Naama, Goody, Dragon, Darkforce, Lowely, Delphi, Nerchi, Snute, Bly. Roof, Syz, Dimaga, Naugrim, BigS, Livezerg, Golden, killer, sheth, vibe, slivko, and morrow were all in it >_> maybe missing the cream of the crop, but a pretty solid turnout. Thank you for reinforcing my point. If we dont support the players who aren't TOP TOP level, the non korean scene dies. He did good to make it through TSL qual one. Good for him, he deserves respect for accomplishing qualifying at the very least.
What does this have to do with anything?
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On June 17 2012 07:23 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 07:17 Benjamin99 wrote:On June 17 2012 07:15 NoGasfOu wrote:On June 17 2012 07:11 teddyoojo wrote: i feel like this dreamhack showcases how fucking hard the competition in europe is Actually the opposite. Every time I see a European tournament, there's a ton of no names that everyone is sure that they would go nowhere. They all look like low master EU server. Each group usually has one or two known players, and the rest are just there to be the victims. But there is allways one comming out. This time is Fraer/Titan and last time it was Feast. The EU scene is getting better and better Titan has been around for ages and these days if you can't compete with Code S players who really cares? Seen as Dreamhack is the only major tournament without a lot of Code S players. Here we go again. Allways dissing foreigner players. Didnt you allrdy get banned for this once? I mean on you other account Yeah it's getting annoying, I remember him from other tournament threads as well where he just kept on whining about foreigners being bad.
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On June 17 2012 07:24 CruiseR wrote: merz 2-0 qxc, DieStar 1-1 Slivko, MaNa 0-2 Protosser,
What happens in group H? Protosser is first with 3-0, but then there's 3way tie between: MaNa, qxc and merz (all 1-2)
Merz 3-2 MaNa 3-3 QXC 2-3
Protosser and Merz advance. Sucks for MaNa to go out, due losing that weird second game against QXC, which he should have won.
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On June 17 2012 07:25 Tilastomursu wrote: Protosser 12-0 today :O Finland faitiin!
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