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AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
June 13 2012 03:08 GMT
#201
I feel like EG shoudl release a few of their players. I feel like EG is just acculating players past their primes and it's pretty inefficient. EG has a high budget but they are overspending on mediocre players.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 03:12:36
June 13 2012 03:10 GMT
#202
On June 13 2012 12:07 nokz88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 12:00 Whatson wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:57 SirPinky wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:44 Bagration wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:39 SirPinky wrote:
On June 13 2012 11:26 zEnVy wrote:
How is it that EG gets smashed in team leagues constantly? I understand MVP should be the better team, but their roster isn't so deep that they should be able to all kill even the decent foreign teams.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG, as a team seems to recruit players on their recent wins then once the player joins the team they "slump" (i.e. Huk)? Also Puma hasn't had any recent metionables either, has he? They just got 4-0 by MVP. I remember a couple month ago on IPL Liquid Sheth did the same thing and ALL-Killed their team. I used to cheer for these guys but with Idra's mega slump (and it seems Huk is there too), I guess I'll have to cross my fingers for Thorzain.


Puma did win IEM and NASL S2 while under EG, and Huk won MLG Orlando. EG has floundered in teamleagues, but then again, SK-IM, which was probably one of the most stacked teams this GSTL, floundered hard as well. Got to give EG credit for this though: They had a pretty good showing at MLG, got 3 guys into pools, and Puma even won his group. Tonight was embarassing, but better teams have been all-killed before.


Huk won MLG Orlando in October 2011. You know how many matches they've played since then .
How many months and/or years have to go by until he is considered in the same boat as Idra? I watched his stream when he was in Korea, and he consistantly lost to high masters with questionable builds - go figure...im not even a toss player :|
I think as more players come into the sc2 community, some of these players from EG, which were once considered "great" will now be called "good." We are already seeing the beginning of this with the MLG invitational that featured Stork, Flash (etc) transitioning over to Sc2.

all the foreigners, and most of the koreans, are going to get pushed into the "decent-aboveaverage player" category once BW pros start switching over full-time anyways lol


pfffftttt... looks like someone wasn't watching the Kespa tournament this past MLG

BTW... WUT A MUNSTRUOS CREECHA! GLOURIOUS!

lol i'm not going to get into this argument here, but are you really comparing guys who practice 2 games at once, with starcraft 2 right now being at about 60-70% of their practice for the past 2-3 months, against players who have played full-time SC2 well over a year, and more of than not 2?
PM if you want an argument, i'm not derailing this thread.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 13 2012 03:21 GMT
#203
On June 13 2012 12:08 AngryFarmer wrote:
I feel like EG shoudl release a few of their players. I feel like EG is just acculating players past their primes and it's pretty inefficient. EG has a high budget but they are overspending on mediocre players.


Who do you think should get cut? Keep in mind, it is not just about player performance, it is also about marketeability. It's unfortunate, but the funding comes largely from sponsors, who want the good marketing and exposure. With that in mind, it's very possible that a guy like Incontrol is worth more to EG than JYP.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
June 13 2012 03:58 GMT
#204
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote:
Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.


Honestly I love Geoff (iNcontroL) but I think his best role for the team would be to step back and coach. He is a really good coach and a great motivator, he already kind of acts as the team dad so why not make that his permanent role at EG. (also he should still cast cause he is a really good host and caster)

~YourFriend
anonymous is the most famous author that anyone can be
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
June 13 2012 05:05 GMT
#205
Lol I called it right hahaha. Monster all-kill indeed ^^

Seriously though, EG played really bad today. And I agree, they need to replace some players to build a better team. Incontrol should be the coach.
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
RUS RO DAH!!!
Profile Joined February 2012
United States277 Posts
June 13 2012 05:15 GMT
#206
EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
June 13 2012 05:37 GMT
#207
Good thing EG is so marketable, seems like Puma is the only guy carrying the weight for this team so far.
mambar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States841 Posts
June 13 2012 05:41 GMT
#208
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.

you're so funny
RUS RO DAH!!!
Profile Joined February 2012
United States277 Posts
June 13 2012 05:44 GMT
#209
On June 13 2012 14:41 mambar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.

you're so funny


Why am I funny?
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
June 13 2012 05:45 GMT
#210
Wow.
Did not expected Monster to roll over EG best lineup :|
Great job by MVP though.
Monster is on a tear lately after his great MLG Spring Championship run.
Play your best
CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
June 13 2012 05:52 GMT
#211
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.



I think it's better to build up a following with the players you have and make small changes over time. How can a team expect to generate loyalty if all they do, as you suggest, is buy any player that gets good in another team?

EG.DeMuslim --- EG.ThorZain --- TSL.Polt --- LGIMMvp --- Mill.fOrGG --- EG.Stephano --- EGiNcontroL --- EG.IdrA --- MarineKing.Prime --- SlayerS_MMA --- Liquid'Hero
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 13 2012 05:53 GMT
#212
On June 13 2012 12:08 AngryFarmer wrote:
I feel like EG shoudl release a few of their players. I feel like EG is just acculating players past their primes and it's pretty inefficient. EG has a high budget but they are overspending on mediocre players.

i really do agree with this, they seem to be too lax on them from what i've seen. Some i understand incontrol for example is important in the fact that he is out doing PR all the time but others like LZgamer and machine, i have no idea why they are still on the teams roster. Their pickups tho like JYP, puma and tzain i think are good pickups and not all that inefficient as you put it.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 05:58:46
June 13 2012 05:55 GMT
#213
On June 13 2012 14:44 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 14:41 mambar wrote:
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.

you're so funny


Why am I funny?

Weren't you temp banned for posting shit like this..
¯\_(シ)_/¯
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
June 13 2012 05:55 GMT
#214
so EG'ish result lol
No carpal tunnel no skill
RUS RO DAH!!!
Profile Joined February 2012
United States277 Posts
June 13 2012 05:58 GMT
#215
On June 13 2012 14:52 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.



I think it's better to build up a following with the players you have and make small changes over time. How can a team expect to generate loyalty if all they do, as you suggest, is buy any player that gets good in another team?



They can buy good players and then build up a following for them. EG seems to be good at marketing itself so I don't think it'll have a problem promoting say EGStephano, EGMVP...
RUS RO DAH!!!
Profile Joined February 2012
United States277 Posts
June 13 2012 06:09 GMT
#216
On June 13 2012 14:55 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 14:44 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
On June 13 2012 14:41 mambar wrote:
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.

you're so funny


Why am I funny?

Weren't you temp banned for posting shit like this..


I was unfairly temp banned several times because TL does not get my sense of humor.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
June 13 2012 06:18 GMT
#217
On June 13 2012 12:58 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote:
Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.


Honestly I love Geoff (iNcontroL) but I think his best role for the team would be to step back and coach. He is a really good coach and a great motivator, he already kind of acts as the team dad so why not make that his permanent role at EG. (also he should still cast cause he is a really good host and caster)

~YourFriend

Honestly, it may seem different, but iNcontroL does not get paid his salary for being a pro gamer. He's not on EG to win games. I don't think your argument has any depth, because he's already getting paid for being the team captain, team marketer, and team caster. He plays right now to expand his opportunities and make possible a better future.
EG just needs to get rid of LzGamer. I'd say get rid of Machine too, but he's kinda part of the marketing family right now. Even though he's not good, he's important to the team. LzGamer is just worthless though. He's BM, he's not good enough to compete at a decent level, and he's not active in EG's marketing. He has pretty much no worth.

If EG were serious about winning championships though, They'd have to completely get rid of Lz and Machine, and they'd have to focus DeMuslim more on smaller tournaments first. IdrA is pretty essential to the team, but he's going to be losing for a while longer before anything changes.
Kill Lz and Machine, and recruit a huge name, and EG would be able to shape up pretty well. Invest a bunch into a 2nd huge player, and they'd be a top GSTL team.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
June 13 2012 06:18 GMT
#218
On June 13 2012 12:08 AngryFarmer wrote:
I feel like EG shoudl release a few of their players. I feel like EG is just acculating players past their primes and it's pretty inefficient. EG has a high budget but they are overspending on mediocre players.


><" No they are all good players I think, but for some reason, EG players tend to do poorly when they join the team for some reason. Probably just bad luck.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
June 13 2012 06:24 GMT
#219
On June 13 2012 15:09 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 14:55 Whatson wrote:
On June 13 2012 14:44 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
On June 13 2012 14:41 mambar wrote:
On June 13 2012 14:15 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
EG should fire Lzgamer, Demuslim, Machine and JYP. Then they can use the freed up money supply to buy mvp, squirtle and stephano.

you're so funny


Why am I funny?

Weren't you temp banned for posting shit like this..


I was unfairly temp banned several times because TL does not get my sense of humor.


Might want to work on delivery. Given responses though your timing must be good.

Since it's the internet you might need to throw a "j/k" at the end of every post. Ever.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 07:02:26
June 13 2012 07:01 GMT
#220
On June 13 2012 15:18 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 12:58 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On June 13 2012 10:36 tree.hugger wrote:
Huh, I was talking to Liquid'KingstonHyperX and Liquid'BigfootNetworks about this match, and we all agreed EG needs a dedicated coach. And a Korean training house, don't forget the Korean training house.


Honestly I love Geoff (iNcontroL) but I think his best role for the team would be to step back and coach. He is a really good coach and a great motivator, he already kind of acts as the team dad so why not make that his permanent role at EG. (also he should still cast cause he is a really good host and caster)

~YourFriend

Honestly, it may seem different, but iNcontroL does not get paid his salary for being a pro gamer. He's not on EG to win games. I don't think your argument has any depth, because he's already getting paid for being the team captain, team marketer, and team caster. He plays right now to expand his opportunities and make possible a better future.
EG just needs to get rid of LzGamer. I'd say get rid of Machine too, but he's kinda part of the marketing family right now. Even though he's not good, he's important to the team. LzGamer is just worthless though. He's BM, he's not good enough to compete at a decent level, and he's not active in EG's marketing. He has pretty much no worth.

If EG were serious about winning championships though, They'd have to completely get rid of Lz and Machine, and they'd have to focus DeMuslim more on smaller tournaments first. IdrA is pretty essential to the team, but he's going to be losing for a while longer before anything changes.
Kill Lz and Machine, and recruit a huge name, and EG would be able to shape up pretty well. Invest a bunch into a 2nd huge player, and they'd be a top GSTL team.


Firing players because they don't deliver the best results isn't going to encourage more players to try to get into eSports in the future. If you stick by your players while they're not doing so great, maybe they'll do well down the line. Or maybe I'm wrong because if they do get good they'll just jump teams, or maybe I'm wrong because guys like Lz will never do well... but I don't think we should be talking about kicking people off teams who are trying to make a living off Starcraft.

EG needs to figure out why it keeps sucking in team leagues, but kicking Lz or Machine off the team won't change that. You didn't see either of them compete today, did you? And maybe it frees up a bit of money, but EG's already been buying up any good players they can. Three of the players who competed in IPL today made it into the MLG pools, which is an amazing feat. How they were unable to stop the all-kill, I don't know... but then again, this was Monster, though before now not that well known, he did make it further than anybody EG members in the last MLG. Monster's just on fire of late

(this does not mean EG should try to hire Monster. lol)
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