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On June 04 2012 05:03 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice due to hesitation and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore. Bomber was already retreating, Stephano misread the situation and chased him with the Infestors too far away for the fungals did you see how fucking fast bomber remaxed after that fight there was no losing that game, he outmacrod him too hard.
Do you have any knowledge of the game?
He had 1 starport and was remaxing ON MARINES VS 33 CRACKLINGS AND BROODS
If Stephano didn't throw away 50 lings for free making them die in front of the MMM while doing nothing and waited for the 3/3 he would have rolled his way to Bomber's natural and won the game.
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On June 04 2012 05:03 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore Bomber was ahead in army supply by like 30-40 bro. He outmacroed Stephano all game and was ahead the entire time.
being 30-40 supply ahead against a zerg with better upgrades and more bases is outmacroing? rofl
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On June 04 2012 05:04 SealOverseer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:02 mordk wrote:On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords. Oh wait, it doesn't.
Sometimes I wonder if we watched the same series
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Stephano played really greedy with his tech.
If he sat back when Bomber retreated he'd have enough time to make enough BLs and Infestors to win the game pretty easily.
Still an awesome series
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On June 04 2012 05:05 Coffin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:03 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Stephano had a slight edge in upgs and an edge in tech BUT Bomber was way ahead in army supply. Sorry for being offtopic, but I looooove that username. Great german band as well. :p And yeah, the opinion expressed there is absolutely correct as well.
Love the band saw them play live at summer slaughter in Toronto a couple years ago <3
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On June 04 2012 05:05 SealOverseer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:03 Dodgin wrote:On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice due to hesitation and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore. Bomber was already retreating, Stephano misread the situation and chased him with the Infestors too far away for the fungals did you see how fucking fast bomber remaxed after that fight there was no losing that game, he outmacrod him too hard. Do you have any knowledge of the game? He had 1 starport and was remaxing ON MARINES VS 33 CRACKLINGS AND BROODS If Stephano didn't throw away 50 lings for free making them die in front of the MMM while doing nothing and waited for the 3/3 he would have rolled his way to Bomber's natural and won the game.
LOL
oh my god it's like we watched different games
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stephano drops and so do 3k viewers, damn
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On June 04 2012 05:03 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:00 Badfatpanda wrote:On June 04 2012 04:56 Morrisson wrote:On June 04 2012 04:54 Asha` wrote:
Bomber correcting the IPL mistake =) mistake? 3-2 with a loose just because of a poor engagement means it wasnt a mistake. They are evenly matched and bomber win this time... He lost a game to his opponent changing styles, he was even in upgrades and ahead in supply all game but got manhandled because mutas picked off so many tanks. He lost a game to painfully mismicroing a push which should have won the game, probably figured it was an easy win in their positions. He was ahead in supply ALL FUCKING GAME game 5, after delaying his expo when he opponent actually opened 3 hatch. He outmacro'd Stephano, and everyone in chat just spams that he lost because of 1 bad engagement. Just because someone says it doesn't mean it's true. He won the first two games by strongly metagaming Stephano...those arguments sigh.
I was talking about Bomber, just like the comment I quoted was talking about Bomber. How can you confuse that. I even said game 5 "Opponent actually opened 3 hatch" Since when the fuck does Bomber play Zerg.
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On June 04 2012 05:05 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:04 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 05:02 mordk wrote:On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords. Oh wait, it doesn't. Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him.
You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win.
I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10
Then I attack you.
"Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines"
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On June 04 2012 05:07 mememolly wrote:
stephano drops and so do 3k viewers, damn
It's also a break between matches. It'll shoot back up during the next series
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On June 04 2012 05:06 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:03 andaylin wrote:On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore Bomber was ahead in army supply by like 30-40 bro. He outmacroed Stephano all game and was ahead the entire time. being 30-40 supply ahead against a zerg with better upgrades and more bases is outmacroing? rofl
Yea actually it does. Zerg should Almost always be ahead in supply, yes some situations they will be behind but that should not have been the case here. Bomber played much better then Stephano that game, both in Macro and with the engagement.
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On June 04 2012 05:07 mememolly wrote:
stephano drops and so do 3k viewers, damn
No love for Huk 
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On June 04 2012 05:08 SealOverseer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:05 Fragile51 wrote:On June 04 2012 05:04 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 05:02 mordk wrote:On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords. Oh wait, it doesn't. Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him. You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win. I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10 Then I attack you. "Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines"
PBU? How shocking...
Hopefully this will be a good series, HuK's PvT looked a bit shaky in his series against Illusion, I hope he steps it up while against a better player.
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Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
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On June 04 2012 05:08 SealOverseer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:05 Fragile51 wrote:On June 04 2012 05:04 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 05:02 mordk wrote:On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords. Oh wait, it doesn't. Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him. You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win. I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10 Then I attack you. "Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines"
Uh... Bomber had 200/200 in that last engagement. Unless his supply was taken up in tanks - nope, he had about 3-4 of them - SCVs - nope, he had less than Stephano - and medivacs - nope, I saw less than half a dozen - he did not have 20 marines.
He had about 50-60 marines in that composition, plus marauders, medivacs, and tanks. There is no way 90 lings, 4 brood lords, and 3-4 infestors beats that.
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On June 04 2012 05:10 babysimba wrote:
Over-analyzing too much lol. Stephano just didnt expect bomber to have that many units. We have perfect vision over everything. Stephano doesn't. He does not have scan to see what bomber has before engaging. Every zerg will make bad engagements every now and then. Good zergs just make the best out of their every engagements.
That's why we need dark swarm. I would trade fungal for dark swarm any day :D
A good zerg would of had much better creep spread and used overseer harassment to see what was happening
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On June 04 2012 05:10 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:08 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 05:05 Fragile51 wrote:On June 04 2012 05:04 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 05:02 mordk wrote:On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords. Oh wait, it doesn't. Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him. You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win. I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10 Then I attack you. "Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines" Uh... Bomber had 200/200 in that last engagement. Unless his supply was taken up in tanks - nope, he had about 3-4 of them - SCVs - nope, he had less than Stephano - and medivacs - nope, I saw less than half a dozen - he did not have 20 marines. He had about 50-60 marines in that composition, plus marauders, medivacs, and tanks. There is no way 90 lings, 4 brood lords, and 3-4 infestors beats that.
This pretty much sums it up perfectly.
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On June 04 2012 05:10 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 05:08 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 05:05 Fragile51 wrote:On June 04 2012 05:04 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 05:02 mordk wrote:On June 04 2012 05:01 SealOverseer wrote:On June 04 2012 04:55 Tayar wrote:
bomber was way far ahead before that engagement Not in the slightest. 3/3 almost done for Stephano and 3/3 just started for Bomber 4 bases vs 3 bases 4 Broodlords vs 1 starport and 0 vikings Stephano was ahead all game long and engaged 20 seconds before the 3/3 completed, while pulling back 90 cracklings twice and engaging when they were 40 and not 90 anymore Bomber had a massive amount of marines though, army supply advantage was >50 before the engagement started Yo dawg, I herd having 80% of your army supply in 2/2 marines means you're ahead when you're against an army of cracklings, infestors and broodlords. Oh wait, it doesn't. Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for him. You have 20 marines, you have 90 lings, you win. I move command 90 lings in front of your 20 marines until my lings drop down to 10 Then I attack you. "Yeah, we sure saw how well that worked out for the marines" Uh... Bomber had 200/200 in that last engagement. Unless his supply was taken up in tanks - nope, he had about 3-4 of them - SCVs - nope, he had less than Stephano - and medivacs - nope, I saw less than half a dozen - he did not have 20 marines. He had about 50-60 marines in that composition, plus marauders, medivacs, and tanks. There is no way 90 lings, 4 brood lords, and 3-4 infestors beats that.
The Marine count was 72 when they showed the units tab just before the engagement. >.>
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