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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1741
On May 30 2012 20:44 SeeKeR wrote:
....... Wouldn't Ryung have been the better choice?

Zenex has 1 more player afterwards and it's Treme. Jyp's pvp is better than Ryung's TvP assuming both players would have defeated Line
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SpecFire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1681 Posts
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1742
On May 30 2012 20:44 SeeKeR wrote:
....... Wouldn't Ryung have been the better choice?


I believe Ryung would have been better.

No doubt it's going to be a PvP to end it, with Extreme.
•|SlayerS_MMA| • Ryung • Fin • Puzzle •
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-30 11:45:39
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1743
On May 30 2012 20:44 SeeKeR wrote:
....... Wouldn't Ryung have been the better choice?

Ryung would have been demolished by TREME (or any Protoss for that matter).
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Miah121
Profile Joined April 2011
229 Posts
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1744
On May 30 2012 20:44 SeeKeR wrote:
....... Wouldn't Ryung have been the better choice?

Then they just send XTREME to snipe him.
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1745
I think Ryung shouldve been sent out, much better chances of not being sniped if he wins.
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polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1746
slayers is in some deep shit now lol

ZeNEX still has Pet, Extreme, and Cutter.
skrotcyk
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden432 Posts
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1747
trust me ryung would have been a worse choice vs line
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1748
Ryung would just get baneling/roach amoved like everyone else has been vs Line lately. JYP is a better bet imo.



Soyuz
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong996 Posts
May 30 2012 11:45 GMT
#1749
On May 30 2012 20:44 SpecFire wrote:
Ughhhhhhhhhh. Ryung seems so much more solid. Not played either days.


Ryung's vZ isn't as good, and the remaining threat from ZeNEX are the Protoss (though their remaining Terrans should be enough to take on JYPvT).
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1750
On May 30 2012 20:44 SeeKeR wrote:
....... Wouldn't Ryung have been the better choice?

So he can lose to treme next? Nope. JYP has the best chance vs line and an okay shot at treme. Puma has an okay shot at line and a better chance vs treme than JYP (imo). So I guess JYP is the right call.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1751
On May 30 2012 20:45 Bluelightz wrote:
I think Ryung shouldve been sent out, much better chances of not being sniped if he wins.

Does Zenex have any terran left? They have a strong toss meaning Ryung is more likely to be sniped than Jyp
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Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1752
Lets go zenex, realise your destiny as ultra kingpins of the universe
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1753
On May 30 2012 20:44 Naphal wrote:
seriously?

first lifes streak ends because he suicides his infestors?
now puzzles streak ends because he had no hold position zealot?

meh, sloppy plays even from the dominant players... maybe i am just pampered by the last fierce GSL.


I think you have to expect a few more mistakes in the GSTL.

Lose a map and you're done, you can only really prep for one race or map or player in advance, and you have no idea what anyone is likely to do when you encounter them because players may have prepared an intentional snipe build for you.

There's a lot of pressure and a lot more uncertainty than the individual seasons.
Soyuz
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong996 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1754
On May 30 2012 20:45 Miah121 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 20:44 SeeKeR wrote:
....... Wouldn't Ryung have been the better choice?

Then they just send XTREME to snipe him.


All treme would do is chronoboost his second stalker and shut down Ryung's 1rax FE
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1755
JYP is probably the best choice. You need someone that can take down a zerg and then probably Treme (Protoss). Unless zenex has a hidden Terran gosu on the bench, this is about as good a matchup as Slayers can expect here.

Time to see if this EG partnership can pay off.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1756
On May 30 2012 20:31 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 20:30 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 30 2012 20:22 Scila wrote:
Protoss 3 base so ridic hard to break : / even with that upgrade adv

Well... 2/1 upgrade advantage (2-2 vs 0-1), the correct AoE counter (ghost vs templar) and you cannot break a protoss if the toss defends well.

Puzzle had excellent templar micro, no doubt. Still, this level of micro is what is required from each Terran in GM. Compare that to Ganzi sitting on top of the natural ramp on CK, with a nice concave with ghosts and vikings and Vines just amoves through and wins.

Harrier kept trying to end the game, but played pretty sloppy. I mean, no concussive shells, super late 2-2 (in comparison to his 1-1), no fourth, kept having zealots attack his third (go clean up the pylon??), kept getting ghosts fedback... One amazing move doesn't win the game unfortunately.

yeah. Bad ghost vs ht micro, no obs scan (a vital skill toi have in TvP), he also lost sloppily his 2 first vikings like 5 seconds before the colossi arrived. All that adds up.
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1757
Just put out a Terran next and Zenex wins
cythaze
Profile Joined June 2011
830 Posts
May 30 2012 11:46 GMT
#1758
I was hoping to see Ryung next, so I could see him playing vs treme :/
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 30 2012 11:47 GMT
#1759
On May 30 2012 20:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 20:45 Bluelightz wrote:
I think Ryung shouldve been sent out, much better chances of not being sniped if he wins.

Does Zenex have any terran left? They have a strong toss meaning Ryung is more likely to be sniped than Jyp

Ryoo, Cutter, Sparta and JJUN. Some of them are not on the bench today, but I'm not sure. They're not as good as Harrier I think.
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Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
May 30 2012 11:47 GMT
#1760
On May 30 2012 20:45 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2012 20:43 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 30 2012 20:39 Plexa wrote:
On May 30 2012 20:36 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 30 2012 20:31 Plexa wrote:
On May 30 2012 20:30 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 30 2012 20:22 Scila wrote:
Protoss 3 base so ridic hard to break : / even with that upgrade adv

Well... 2/1 upgrade advantage (2-2 vs 0-1), the correct AoE counter (ghost vs templar) and you cannot break a protoss if the toss defends well.

Puzzle had excellent templar micro, no doubt. Still, this level of micro is what is required from each Terran in GM. Compare that to Ganzi sitting on top of the natural ramp on CK, with a nice concave with ghosts and vikings and Vines just amoves through and wins.

Harrier kept trying to end the game, but played pretty sloppy. I mean, no concussive shells, super late 2-2 (in comparison to his 1-1), no fourth, kept having zealots attack his third (go clean up the pylon??), kept getting ghosts fedback... One amazing move doesn't win the game unfortunately.


I don't deny, that Harrier's control was sloppy and he was indecisive. Puzzle defended really really well as he is known for it. That's why I compared the flipside, where a protoss showed even worse control and still just rolled through.

Also there was a carpet EMP when Puzzle killed the sensor tower.. that should have been the moment where Puzzle got crushed, but 2ish collossi were enough to melt everything. Compare that to a terran getting caught out and eats 2 storms...

But when you are so marine heavy Colossi are super good. 2 Colossus are enough to kill a stimmed marine (that hasn't been healed) in one shot, thus why they are so effective. Needed to pull back and mass up vikings at that point. Better than trying to rush in and end the game


He could have killed the 3rd nexus and run, but his viking production would have been too slow to stop the advancing protoss army. Also he was committed due to no 4th.

No doubt there were mistakes and no doubt that Puzzle defended very well. Hell, which coach is so crazy to send out a Terran vs Puzzle and pick cloud kindom?

Then again, all I"m saying is that I have seen worse plays by protoss that ended in rolling through terrans.

No arguments here, Terran in general are really struggling vs the colossus switch. Not sure what the answer is, but I'm sure there is one!


Sure there is... some patch from Blizz.
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