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On May 27 2012 14:15 paintfive wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:13 o[twist] wrote:
bw person here, from my perspective it looked like fanta had been doing almost all of the damage all game, but people in here seemed to think he was losing at several points... where was he going long that made him behind at those points? Refusing to make turrets and saving all his energy for scans. fantasy had it won after he killed BByong's nat I think. But he kept overcommitting instead of macroing up. Insane micro from both players though.
Its perfectly fine to save Scans in mid game tvt
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
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On May 27 2012 14:15 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:14 Ruscour wrote:On May 27 2012 14:13 ZenithM wrote:
Ok guys, I'm reassured now, Fantasy got at least one hell of a stutter step. That's a good start, I know another Terran who started by stutter stepping marines. except he stutters the medivacs too which reduces time they can heal Hmm, every pro terran does that. I agree that it's suboptimal micro, but if you kite only with your marines, the medivacs start trailing behind and are killed off anyway.
not in that situation, and most progamers don't do it. it's situational whether you move them or not, but doing it like that is suboptimal for sure, it's just a ctrl+click and you're away
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That was possibly the sloppiest sc2 game i've ever seen, but it was pretty fun all the same 
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MURICA15980 Posts
On May 27 2012 14:14 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:13 Odal wrote:
I fucking love this. Perfect macro, perfect micro, TERRIBLE decision making. It's adorable. macro and micro were so far from perfect in this game, i would probably outmacro them with terran ^^
lol
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On May 27 2012 14:15 Lann555 wrote:
Fantasy showing an insane amount of potential. Just a little rough around the edges, which is understandable given that he barely has any experience with Terran and he is also practicing BW at the same time.
Some of you are way too critical of these guys and should really rewatch the earlier GSL seasons. They were so unbelievably fuckign worse then anything we see here.
AND FUCK YEAH FANTASY!
I personally liked Light vs Turn and Sea vs Skyhigh more . There game seemed more refined .
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On May 27 2012 14:16 o[twist] wrote:
thanks for the explanations guys, i'm trying my best to give this sc2 thing a chance and that game certainly looked exciting haha
I don't want to be cynical, but you are better of watching the GSL, where there are less PvPs and more high-level exciting games.
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On May 27 2012 14:15 FuRong wrote:
Awesome game, I love back and forth low economy wars in TvT.
You mean Mid Master NA TvT?
It's okay to say it, they are getting better;and that game was more exciting to watch than 60% of gsl code S
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On May 27 2012 14:15 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:13 o[twist] wrote:
bw person here, from my perspective it looked like fanta had been doing almost all of the damage all game, but people in here seemed to think he was losing at several points... where was he going long that made him behind at those points? he shouldve build 2 turrents per mineralline, like he kept losing all his scvs the whole game long :D wouldve easily won 15 minutes earlier with just slightly better banshee defense^^ although its very, very uncommon to build banshees the whole game long oO
One raven would have done the trick. But even GSL terrans don't seem to want to build ravens.
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On May 27 2012 14:14 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:14 KalWarkov wrote:On May 27 2012 14:13 Odal wrote:
I fucking love this. Perfect macro, perfect micro, TERRIBLE decision making. It's adorable. macro and micro were so far from perfect in this game, i would probably outmacro them with terran ^^ haha get real scrub
first of all, there is no reason to call anyone a scrub without knowing who you are talking to.
and 2nd, any1 who says that anything in this game was "perfect" is just a huge fanboy who probably just watched 3 sc2 games total.
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On May 27 2012 14:15 paintfive wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:13 o[twist] wrote:
bw person here, from my perspective it looked like fanta had been doing almost all of the damage all game, but people in here seemed to think he was losing at several points... where was he going long that made him behind at those points? Refusing to make turrets and saving all his energy for scans. fantasy had it won after he killed BByong's nat I think. But he kept overcommitting instead of macroing up. Insane micro from both players though.
Like the insane Banshee micro? lol. Or just runnung all SCV's in stimmed marines with no backup? I don't doubt their abilities, they just can't apply them very good to SC2 yet.
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Just joining now. What has happened so far?
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On May 27 2012 14:17 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:15 ZenithM wrote:On May 27 2012 14:14 Ruscour wrote:On May 27 2012 14:13 ZenithM wrote:
Ok guys, I'm reassured now, Fantasy got at least one hell of a stutter step. That's a good start, I know another Terran who started by stutter stepping marines. except he stutters the medivacs too which reduces time they can heal Hmm, every pro terran does that. I agree that it's suboptimal micro, but if you kite only with your marines, the medivacs start trailing behind and are killed off anyway. not in that situation, and most progamers don't do it. it's situational whether you move them or not, but doing it like that is suboptimal for sure, it's just a ctrl+click and you're away
Yeah I know, but I don't think it was a bad decision in this case. There were blue marines chasing him behind the SCVs, they would have gotten the medivac had he only moved the marines. But maybe we're talking about another part of the game.
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On May 27 2012 14:18 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:16 o[twist] wrote:
thanks for the explanations guys, i'm trying my best to give this sc2 thing a chance and that game certainly looked exciting haha I don't want to be cynical, but you are better of watching the GSL, where there are less PvPs and more high-level exciting games.
i'll stick with the joint PL for now but i appreciate the thought
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Their macro was perfect, but granted they both had less than 30 scvs all game lol.
But damn that marine micro from Fantasy.
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United States23455 Posts
OGN really needs to just put up their own Twitch/Ownd streams like they do for LoL. Even the EsportsTV stream has no sound.
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Poll: Who will win in a SC2 BO7 between Fantasy and LastShadow?Fantasy (34) 68% LastShadow (16) 32% 50 total votes Your vote: Who will win in a SC2 BO7 between Fantasy and LastShadow? (Vote): Fantasy
(Vote): LastShadow
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On May 27 2012 14:19 cablesc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:15 KalWarkov wrote:On May 27 2012 14:13 o[twist] wrote:
bw person here, from my perspective it looked like fanta had been doing almost all of the damage all game, but people in here seemed to think he was losing at several points... where was he going long that made him behind at those points? he shouldve build 2 turrents per mineralline, like he kept losing all his scvs the whole game long :D wouldve easily won 15 minutes earlier with just slightly better banshee defense^^ although its very, very uncommon to build banshees the whole game long oO One raven would have done the trick. But even GSL terrans don't seem to want to build ravens.
1 raven doesnt do the trick when there is banshees harassing everywhere^^ turrents are way better for that purpose. although a raven is never wrong in tvt simply for airfights (pdd viking v viking for air vision)
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give them time geezus, especially the SKT guys had like no time to practice this game.
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On May 27 2012 14:18 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:15 Lann555 wrote:
Fantasy showing an insane amount of potential. Just a little rough around the edges, which is understandable given that he barely has any experience with Terran and he is also practicing BW at the same time.
Some of you are way too critical of these guys and should really rewatch the earlier GSL seasons. They were so unbelievably fuckign worse then anything we see here.
AND FUCK YEAH FANTASY! I personally liked Light vs Turn and Sea vs Skyhigh more . There game seemed more refined .
True. Skyhigh looked better TvT, but Fantasy never really looks refined. The weird/offbeat games are part of his strength imho, so I'm happy to see it carries over to Sc2
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