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On May 27 2012 13:13 brokenLoL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 27 2012 13:03 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 13:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 27 2012 12:59 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 12:49 Kommander wrote:On May 27 2012 12:48 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 12:47 aznball123 wrote:
MC always loses to Huk, not really surprised there lol PvP is 100% pure luck so yeah. Uhh, no. Yea you're right. Not even kidding. PvP actually does require skill. MC outplaying HuK so bad. HuK made the mistake of no detection. He should have known but I don't know he didn't make a robo. Also, if Ostojiy loses to HuK, that'll be the upset of the whole battle ground. What? As opposed to LastShadow beating someone? I don't know if you've been paying attention but LS is sick; HuK is in perfect condition. That's all the more reason for HuK to beat Ostojiy. Players tend to perform better when they're healthier >.> I don't know if you've been paying attention to SC2 but HuK is a better player, and while Ostojiy isn't bad, he's certainly not favored against HuK... and certainly not to the extent that HuK is so bad and Ostojiy is so good that HuK should get raped by him. Umm... Ostojiy is fairly new, which is why he does not have as much achievements. HuK has been around for quite a while which is why he has those achievements... people like you only look for achievements while objective viewers like me pay attention to raw skill. When it comes to raw skill Ostojiy has HuK beat in every way possible: macro, micro, game sense, good looks..... everything.
Ok, you don't like HuK, I get it.
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On May 27 2012 13:15 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:10 Bagration wrote:On May 27 2012 13:04 Jazzman88 wrote:Was expecting a bit more from someone who used to gloat that they were a top 5 foreigner terran player. Well, in all fairness to him, Squirtle is one of the best Protoss in the world right now, giving even MVP a run for his money. No one would argue that LastShadow is anywhere NEAR MVP's skill, so I don't see why we would expect him to beat Squirtle. The games against Ret were disappointing because he lost Banshees due to missed micro and a couple of poor timing choices with his mech. And while I don't think that Day9 was necessarily wise to invite LastShadow from a PR standpoint, it was a replacement for Polt who had to back out, and there isn't anything wrong with giving unexposed players a chance to see if they can play with the big boys. If Day9 had invited literally anyone else in the world who had done some sort of progaming and was a current player, no one would have bitched (to this extent). They think it's simply because the two are friends. What about Sheth? Day9 practices with him and they're good friends, so why are we not upset about Sheth? True, Sheth has much more results than LastShadow, but I bet you could think of people who were arguably more skilled to TRY and invite (TO BE CLEAR: I AM NOT ARGUING SHETH SHOULDN'T BE THERE: it just seems to me that people are being harsher than necessary). It's not a matter of getting the 16 best players or 16 players with the most aggregate tournament appearances. People need to take a chill pill and just enjoy the games. That last game against Squirtle was pretty epic with the proxy hellions and then the bitbybit moment with Squirtle's EXCELLENT positioning and Storm timings. For me personally, the Lastshadow felt like it truly came out of left field. I mean, it's an invitational, so we as spectators to a free-to-watch tournament can't complain too much, but it just seems that Lastshadow just disappeared from the scene back in 2010 when he got 4th at an MLG and just suddenly pops back up. It's kind of like inviting a guy like Cauthonluck or something. Lastshadow was put in a pretty shitty position though. How do you turn down an invite like this, yet everyone expects you to fail (and some even hope you fail), and you are in a group with Ret, Squirtle and PartinG? A tough situation indeed. Yeah pretty much this. The only chance he had of getting some respect/less hate from the community was to somehow upset the two best PvT players on the planet or beat Ret who is a monster. Instead he lost which a lot of players would and is getting shit on, plus he has probably read this thread and the prior thread and saw all the hate so wouldn't have helped his mindset or confidence much
Same flak Incontrol got for getting seeded into every 2011 MLG and getting raped by Korean pros.
However, you are a full time progamer, being a token player through invitation without going through the same process everyone has gone through. People can at least expect him to take a game, or have a strong showing.
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On May 27 2012 13:15 ppshchik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:08 Shaddar wrote:
When did LastShadow talk shit? Did I miss something? Lastshadow talks shit all the time on TL. I remember translating an article of Xigua in WCG he was commentating how Xigua is lucky to get 2nd and he has no skill and cheeses all the time on KR ladder. And in one thread he says Firebathero is bad in SC2 for a progamer who played 2000 games.
LS just jealous of FBH's dance moves.
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On May 27 2012 13:17 mTwTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:15 Shaddar wrote:Thanks. I can see why people find that attitude offputting. He did say Ret was a good foreigner though, so I would have thought TT1 would love him for that. the thread im referring to is the one where he got in a flamewar with gosi[terran]
Ok I haven't seen many of his posts on TL, sounds like he's been a douche in general
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He's not putting himself above others there though, he's simply stating his opinion on the korean vs foreigner skill level, without including himself at all as far as I can read.
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So if squirtle wins a game, it's him>parting
if he goes 0-2, it's parting>ret
do I have it right?
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On May 27 2012 13:17 ppshchik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:15 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On May 27 2012 13:10 Bagration wrote:On May 27 2012 13:04 Jazzman88 wrote:Was expecting a bit more from someone who used to gloat that they were a top 5 foreigner terran player. Well, in all fairness to him, Squirtle is one of the best Protoss in the world right now, giving even MVP a run for his money. No one would argue that LastShadow is anywhere NEAR MVP's skill, so I don't see why we would expect him to beat Squirtle. The games against Ret were disappointing because he lost Banshees due to missed micro and a couple of poor timing choices with his mech. And while I don't think that Day9 was necessarily wise to invite LastShadow from a PR standpoint, it was a replacement for Polt who had to back out, and there isn't anything wrong with giving unexposed players a chance to see if they can play with the big boys. If Day9 had invited literally anyone else in the world who had done some sort of progaming and was a current player, no one would have bitched (to this extent). They think it's simply because the two are friends. What about Sheth? Day9 practices with him and they're good friends, so why are we not upset about Sheth? True, Sheth has much more results than LastShadow, but I bet you could think of people who were arguably more skilled to TRY and invite (TO BE CLEAR: I AM NOT ARGUING SHETH SHOULDN'T BE THERE: it just seems to me that people are being harsher than necessary). It's not a matter of getting the 16 best players or 16 players with the most aggregate tournament appearances. People need to take a chill pill and just enjoy the games. That last game against Squirtle was pretty epic with the proxy hellions and then the bitbybit moment with Squirtle's EXCELLENT positioning and Storm timings. For me personally, the Lastshadow felt like it truly came out of left field. I mean, it's an invitational, so we as spectators to a free-to-watch tournament can't complain too much, but it just seems that Lastshadow just disappeared from the scene back in 2010 when he got 4th at an MLG and just suddenly pops back up. It's kind of like inviting a guy like Cauthonluck or something. Lastshadow was put in a pretty shitty position though. How do you turn down an invite like this, yet everyone expects you to fail (and some even hope you fail), and you are in a group with Ret, Squirtle and PartinG? A tough situation indeed. Yeah pretty much this. The only chance he had of getting some respect/less hate from the community was to somehow upset the two best PvT players on the planet or beat Ret who is a monster. Instead he lost which a lot of players would and is getting shit on, plus he has probably read this thread and the prior thread and saw all the hate so wouldn't have helped his mindset or confidence much Same flak Incontrol got for getting seeded into every 2011 MLG and getting raped by Korean pros. However, you are a full time progamer, being a token player through invitation without going through the same process everyone has gone through. People can at least expect him to take a game, or have a strong showing.
except incontrol actually qualified for pool play while LS got an invite into pool play.
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On May 27 2012 13:17 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:13 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 13:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 27 2012 13:03 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 13:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 27 2012 12:59 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 12:49 Kommander wrote:On May 27 2012 12:48 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 12:47 aznball123 wrote:
MC always loses to Huk, not really surprised there lol PvP is 100% pure luck so yeah. Uhh, no. Yea you're right. Not even kidding. PvP actually does require skill. MC outplaying HuK so bad. HuK made the mistake of no detection. He should have known but I don't know he didn't make a robo. Also, if Ostojiy loses to HuK, that'll be the upset of the whole battle ground. What? As opposed to LastShadow beating someone? I don't know if you've been paying attention but LS is sick; HuK is in perfect condition. That's all the more reason for HuK to beat Ostojiy. Players tend to perform better when they're healthier >.> I don't know if you've been paying attention to SC2 but HuK is a better player, and while Ostojiy isn't bad, he's certainly not favored against HuK... and certainly not to the extent that HuK is so bad and Ostojiy is so good that HuK should get raped by him. Umm... Ostojiy is fairly new, which is why he does not have as much achievements. HuK has been around for quite a while which is why he has those achievements... people like you only look for achievements while objective viewers like me pay attention to raw skill. When it comes to raw skill Ostojiy has HuK beat in every way possible: macro, micro, game sense, good looks..... everything. Ok, you don't like HuK, I get it.
HuK is actually my 2nd favorite player after Ostojiy.
Anyway... go MC!
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On May 27 2012 13:10 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:04 Jazzman88 wrote:Was expecting a bit more from someone who used to gloat that they were a top 5 foreigner terran player. Well, in all fairness to him, Squirtle is one of the best Protoss in the world right now, giving even MVP a run for his money. No one would argue that LastShadow is anywhere NEAR MVP's skill, so I don't see why we would expect him to beat Squirtle. The games against Ret were disappointing because he lost Banshees due to missed micro and a couple of poor timing choices with his mech. And while I don't think that Day9 was necessarily wise to invite LastShadow from a PR standpoint, it was a replacement for Polt who had to back out, and there isn't anything wrong with giving unexposed players a chance to see if they can play with the big boys. If Day9 had invited literally anyone else in the world who had done some sort of progaming and was a current player, no one would have bitched (to this extent). They think it's simply because the two are friends. What about Sheth? Day9 practices with him and they're good friends, so why are we not upset about Sheth? True, Sheth has much more results than LastShadow, but I bet you could think of people who were arguably more skilled to TRY and invite (TO BE CLEAR: I AM NOT ARGUING SHETH SHOULDN'T BE THERE: it just seems to me that people are being harsher than necessary). It's not a matter of getting the 16 best players or 16 players with the most aggregate tournament appearances. People need to take a chill pill and just enjoy the games. That last game against Squirtle was pretty epic with the proxy hellions and then the bitbybit moment with Squirtle's EXCELLENT positioning and Storm timings. For me personally, the Lastshadow felt like it truly came out of left field. I mean, it's an invitational, so we as spectators to a free-to-watch tournament can't complain too much, but it just seems that Lastshadow just disappeared from the scene back in 2010 when he got 4th at an MLG and just suddenly pops back up. It's kind of like inviting a guy like Cauthonluck or something. Lastshadow was put in a pretty shitty position though. How do you turn down an invite like this, yet everyone expects you to fail (and some even hope you fail), and you are in a group with Ret, Squirtle and PartinG? A tough situation indeed.
Maybe they just should've given him his own group and spot in the bracket? Group E, population: 1? Each group is equally hard. People are pissed because there are a number of equally skilled (and better) players that would've loved to have the chance at playing there and would've put on much better performances than LastShadow.
And the reason that people aren't so harsh about Sheth is because he has legitimately earned his place at an invite tournament through his performances at MLGs and the IGN events, not because he recently became very popular. It also helps that he doesn't have the personality of a potato.
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damn i was scared for ret there
nice hold
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On May 27 2012 13:18 Theovide wrote:He's not putting himself above others there though, he's simply stating his opinion on the korean vs foreigner skill level, without including himself at all as far as I can read.
I never said he puts himself higher. He's just a douche for thinking so lowly of foreigners, claiming that you have to live in Korea to be good. Yet he is a foreigner living in korea and got his ass kicked. The guy just comes off as a know-it all douche on tl and in interviews and he can't put up results.
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On May 27 2012 13:17 brokenLoL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:14 Aerisky wrote:On May 27 2012 13:13 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 13:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 27 2012 13:03 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 13:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 27 2012 12:59 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 12:49 Kommander wrote:On May 27 2012 12:48 brokenLoL wrote:On May 27 2012 12:47 aznball123 wrote:
MC always loses to Huk, not really surprised there lol PvP is 100% pure luck so yeah. Uhh, no. Yea you're right. Not even kidding. PvP actually does require skill. MC outplaying HuK so bad. HuK made the mistake of no detection. He should have known but I don't know he didn't make a robo. Also, if Ostojiy loses to HuK, that'll be the upset of the whole battle ground. What? As opposed to LastShadow beating someone? I don't know if you've been paying attention but LS is sick; HuK is in perfect condition. That's all the more reason for HuK to beat Ostojiy. Players tend to perform better when they're healthier >.> I don't know if you've been paying attention to SC2 but HuK is a better player, and while Ostojiy isn't bad, he's certainly not favored against HuK... and certainly not to the extent that HuK is so bad and Ostojiy is so good that HuK should get raped by him. Umm... Ostojiy is fairly new, which is why he does not have as much achievements. HuK has been around for quite a while which is why he has those achievements... people like you only look for achievements while objective viewers like me pay attention to raw skill. When it comes to raw skill Ostojiy has HuK beat in every way possible: macro, micro, game sense, good looks..... everything. Is ostojiy really that good?! I wasn't aware of that lol Whatever, MC gogo, looking forward to his series against Bomber. Are you trying to say that I am over exaggerating Ostojiy's skill? He's simply a better player than HuK. Simple as that, just like MC is a better player than HuK.
Indeed. I also know a friend of mine who plays SC2 in his free time, which is about 4-5 games a week, and he made it all the way into Diamond! He has to be a better player in terms of talent than most progamers, who put in hundreds of games each week. 
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So apparently lastshadow deleted his youtube videos, twitter and facebook?
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On May 27 2012 13:22 yawnoC wrote:
So apparently lastshadow deleted his youtube videos, twitter and facebook?
why`d he do that
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On May 27 2012 13:23 ashortstory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:22 yawnoC wrote:
So apparently lastshadow deleted his youtube videos, twitter and facebook? why`d he do that
embarrassed?
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On May 27 2012 13:23 ashortstory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:22 yawnoC wrote:
So apparently lastshadow deleted his youtube videos, twitter and facebook? why`d he do that No clue they are just all gone ... maybe he got hacked or something lol
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did LS forfeit against Parting or did they just not stream it?
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On May 27 2012 13:19 bsball8806 wrote:
So if squirtle wins a game, it's him>parting
if he goes 0-2, it's parting>ret
do I have it right?
no, it's squirtle or ret, if ret drops 1 game, he's out. Parting is already in since they said he 2-0'd LS.
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