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...and Parting chokes again, amirite?
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On May 10 2012 23:51 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 20:24 DoNotDisturb wrote:On May 10 2012 20:23 Zzoram wrote:On May 10 2012 20:21 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
What on earth do they feed the Protosses in the Startale house!???????????!!!!!!!!!! Rare Candy can't be, rare candy gives terrible stat boosts incorrect. You need to learn a lot more about EV training if you actually think that.
What?
"A Pokémon which increases in level using a Rare Candy instead of battling does not gain any EVs, making it weaker than a Pokémon who increases in level normally."
~http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Effort_values
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On May 10 2012 23:36 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:33 samurai80 wrote:On May 10 2012 20:46 Chunhyang wrote:On May 10 2012 20:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:42 WhosTheSmuRf wrote:On May 10 2012 20:39 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:36 Noocta wrote:
Squirtle will be harder than Parting imo, but I really hope MVP win.
Mainly because I don't want another protoss winning but mvp getting a 4th championship would be cool aswell. "Another Protoss winning" 2 Protoss wins 5 Zerg wins 6 Terran wins Why do so many things Terran fans say contradict hard numbers? "Protoss dominating in the GSL" -> http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0"Don't want another Protoss winning" -> Protoss has by far the least GSL wins Blows my mind at how warped perspectives can become. Well said What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here  How does "I don't want another Protoss winning" contradict the fact that they have the least GSL final wins? He never said that Protoss has too many wins, or that they have the most. Maybe he's a hater, but he just doesn't want Protoss to win again. That's all. I'm just sayin. "Another protoss winning." It's pretty clear to me he means there are too many. I think you should well understand what HolyArrow is trying to say if you're clever enough. And I think it's pretty much the way people supporting protoss or the ones who just want some equality/balance in this game think. It's just looking indecent for us when u guys are telling us that they are fed up of seeing so many protoss, when we had to endure this for so many seasons while the terran race has never ever experienced this situation. Try to imagine how it is disgusting to hear that. You said you're a Celtic supporter so it's not a good example but imagine your team was actually the Rockets in 1995, when they manage to become champion a second time in their history, their first time being 1994. Then some Lakers or Celtics fans say "oh no, not the Rockets again !". It's just indecent to say that, especially if your team has been dominating that much. Well If I said I don't want a random player to win, does that automatically mean that too many random players have won the GSL?
Well yes absolutely if you add another after "I don't want".
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On May 10 2012 23:56 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:36 Exstasy wrote:On May 10 2012 23:33 samurai80 wrote:On May 10 2012 20:46 Chunhyang wrote:On May 10 2012 20:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:42 WhosTheSmuRf wrote:On May 10 2012 20:39 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:36 Noocta wrote:
Squirtle will be harder than Parting imo, but I really hope MVP win.
Mainly because I don't want another protoss winning but mvp getting a 4th championship would be cool aswell. "Another Protoss winning" 2 Protoss wins 5 Zerg wins 6 Terran wins Why do so many things Terran fans say contradict hard numbers? "Protoss dominating in the GSL" -> http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0"Don't want another Protoss winning" -> Protoss has by far the least GSL wins Blows my mind at how warped perspectives can become. Well said What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here How does "I don't want another Protoss winning" contradict the fact that they have the least GSL final wins? He never said that Protoss has too many wins, or that they have the most. Maybe he's a hater, but he just doesn't want Protoss to win again. That's all. I'm just sayin. "Another protoss winning." It's pretty clear to me he means there are too many. I think you should well understand what HolyArrow is trying to say if you're clever enough. And I think it's pretty much the way people supporting protoss or the ones who just want some equality/balance in this game think. It's just looking indecent for us when u guys are telling us that they are fed up of seeing so many protoss, when we had to endure this for so many seasons while the terran race has never ever experienced this situation. Try to imagine how it is disgusting to hear that. You said you're a Celtic supporter so it's not a good example but imagine your team was actually the Rockets in 1995, when they manage to become champion a second time in their history, their first time being 1994. Then some Lakers or Celtics fans say "oh no, not the Rockets again !". It's just indecent to say that, especially if your team has been dominating that much. Well If I said I don't want a random player to win, does that automatically mean that too many random players have won the GSL? Well yes absolutely if you add another after "I don't want".
Actually, in the most literal sense, it just means that at least one Random player had won before, and he doesn't want another one to win. At least one Protoss had won before, and he doesn't want a second Protoss to win... possibly this could be what he meant.
However, given the context of what many TvP threads have been (boo hoo Protosses keep winning), it may have been seen as "Protosses win at everything, I don't want yet another Protoss to win this too!" in an exasperated tone.
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Have Protoss players even seen how poorly Protoss was played for the last 2 years?
It really hasn't been until when Parting and Oz came around that really consistent P play was shown.
In contrast, T has always been reliant on its bag of 1 base tricks.
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Completely criminal mvp made it through to the finals. Story of SC. Doomdrop an scvs. love stalkers. =.= Atleast he's one smart terran to do heavy drops earlier on. If he won the finals that would be ridiculous.
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On May 10 2012 23:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:56 samurai80 wrote:On May 10 2012 23:36 Exstasy wrote:On May 10 2012 23:33 samurai80 wrote:On May 10 2012 20:46 Chunhyang wrote:On May 10 2012 20:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:42 WhosTheSmuRf wrote:On May 10 2012 20:39 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:36 Noocta wrote:
Squirtle will be harder than Parting imo, but I really hope MVP win.
Mainly because I don't want another protoss winning but mvp getting a 4th championship would be cool aswell. "Another Protoss winning" 2 Protoss wins 5 Zerg wins 6 Terran wins Why do so many things Terran fans say contradict hard numbers? "Protoss dominating in the GSL" -> http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0"Don't want another Protoss winning" -> Protoss has by far the least GSL wins Blows my mind at how warped perspectives can become. Well said What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here How does "I don't want another Protoss winning" contradict the fact that they have the least GSL final wins? He never said that Protoss has too many wins, or that they have the most. Maybe he's a hater, but he just doesn't want Protoss to win again. That's all. I'm just sayin. "Another protoss winning." It's pretty clear to me he means there are too many. I think you should well understand what HolyArrow is trying to say if you're clever enough. And I think it's pretty much the way people supporting protoss or the ones who just want some equality/balance in this game think. It's just looking indecent for us when u guys are telling us that they are fed up of seeing so many protoss, when we had to endure this for so many seasons while the terran race has never ever experienced this situation. Try to imagine how it is disgusting to hear that. You said you're a Celtic supporter so it's not a good example but imagine your team was actually the Rockets in 1995, when they manage to become champion a second time in their history, their first time being 1994. Then some Lakers or Celtics fans say "oh no, not the Rockets again !". It's just indecent to say that, especially if your team has been dominating that much. Well If I said I don't want a random player to win, does that automatically mean that too many random players have won the GSL? Well yes absolutely if you add another after "I don't want". Actually, in the most literal sense, it just means that at least one Random player had won before, and he doesn't want another won to win. At least one Protoss had won before, and he doesn't want a second Protoss to win... possibly this could be what he meant. However, given the context of what many TvP threads have been (boo hoo Protosses keep winning), it may have been seen as "Protosses win at everything, I don't want yet another Protoss to win this too!" in an exasperated tone.
That's exactly my point. Thank you.
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I got both my liquibets right today! MVP is a boss.
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Whenever I try to copy Parting's forge/twilight into fast HT build, I get rocked by timing attacks, and feel like a failure.
I'm glad to see Parting isn't some genie wizard and is actually vulnerable to them too.
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On May 10 2012 22:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 20:52 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:46 Chunhyang wrote:On May 10 2012 20:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:42 WhosTheSmuRf wrote:On May 10 2012 20:39 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:36 Noocta wrote:
Squirtle will be harder than Parting imo, but I really hope MVP win.
Mainly because I don't want another protoss winning but mvp getting a 4th championship would be cool aswell. "Another Protoss winning" 2 Protoss wins 5 Zerg wins 6 Terran wins Why do so many things Terran fans say contradict hard numbers? "Protoss dominating in the GSL" -> http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0"Don't want another Protoss winning" -> Protoss has by far the least GSL wins Blows my mind at how warped perspectives can become. Well said What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here How does "I don't want another Protoss winning" contradict the fact that they have the least GSL final wins? He never said that Protoss has too many wins, or that they have the most. Maybe he's a hater, but he just doesn't want Protoss to win again. That's all. I'm just sayin. That's a fine point, but that just annoys me by principle. I'm a pretty empathetic person - I can understand that people really get into the game and root massively for a certain player or race. But I also believe that all fans deserve the satisfaction of seeing their favorite race win a fair amount. If the situations were magically reversed and Protoss switched places with Terran in terms of big-picture GSL success, I'd be extremely okay with a Terran champion or two, because it's about time - I'd say it's only fair to the Terran fans to see more Terran winners. But, that's not reality. The reality is that Terran has had the most champions and Protoss has had by far the least, and it just annoys me that despite all this, some people really want to see yet another Terran Code S win. Don't get me wrong - I clearly have no greater moral basis for my stance on this, and people who really want to see another Terran win aren't objectively wrong in any way. It's just my personal philosophy that all fans should see ideally their race win a roughly proportionate amount of times, because everyone deserves to be satisfied as viewers. People don't want a Protoss to win because most people (including Blizzard) know that right now Protoss is too good and while Squirtle/Parting/Hero/Oz are good players it's no coincidence they just all became instantly top of the world players the second Blizzard nerfed ghosts, buffed Immortals and buffed Protoss upgrades. I don't really have any racial preference but I want Mvp to crush this kid into the floor to show that overall skill and greatness like Mvp has transcends Blizzard flavour of the month balance patches. When another Protoss wins a Star League I want it to be a real legit win, not a 70% legit win with Blizzard giving them a nice helping hand.
Funniest thing I've read in ages.
Can I try now?
"MVP won against the best PvT player in the world with early-game all-ins and made it look easy. Therefore clearly Terran is OP. When another Terran wins a Star League I want it to be a real legit win; not someone being carried by their OP all-in race."
Did I do it right?
Honestly your entire argument is absurd. Terran has the mid-game advantage and Protoss has the late-game advantage. The problem is that at EVERY point in the matchup there's too much volatility. Misclick a forcefield? You're dead. Miscontrol your marines? You're dead. Stim at the wrong time? You're dead. Blink at the wrong time? You're dead.
And then the late-game devolves into a dance between Stalkers/Vikings/Colossi and a game of "who can use their casters to hit their AoE attack first?" between HTs and Ghosts. And in the game of casters you win or you die (hello Song of Ice and Fire reference).
Matchup is frustratingly badly designed. But it's not imbalanced.
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So now let's have great finals, hope it will be the best who wins. I will support Wartortle and hope for him to evolve to Blastoise :D And if he loses I won't complain about terrans winning again, even if it's true they are winning a bit too often, because terrans have great players and Mvp is perhaps the best in SC2 overall.
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On May 11 2012 00:00 SnipedSoul wrote:
I got both my liquibets right today! MVP is a boss.
Got both mine correct too- bet with my head, not with my heart 
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If something can be poorly designed and not imbalanced, then maybe balance is completely irrelevant as a metric?
If TvT is a better matchup than PvZ and PvT, there's something wrong with how Blizzard is going about designing the game fundamentally.
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On May 10 2012 18:28 Doriboi wrote:
MVP's smile creates stars in distant galaxies.
<3
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Well, at least the documentary can finally finish
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On May 11 2012 00:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:00 SnipedSoul wrote:
I got both my liquibets right today! MVP is a boss. Got both mine correct too- bet with my head, not with my heart
bet with my head as well, fortunately Mvp was my heart bet as well
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On May 10 2012 23:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:51 Figgy wrote:On May 10 2012 20:24 DoNotDisturb wrote:On May 10 2012 20:23 Zzoram wrote:On May 10 2012 20:21 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
What on earth do they feed the Protosses in the Startale house!???????????!!!!!!!!!! Rare Candy can't be, rare candy gives terrible stat boosts incorrect. You need to learn a lot more about EV training if you actually think that. What? "A Pokémon which increases in level using a Rare Candy instead of battling does not gain any EVs, making it weaker than a Pokémon who increases in level normally." ~http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Effort_values
yea, if your pokemon has NEVER been in ANY battles and ONLY rare candies up to 100, it's gonna be p weak.
but it's very easy to max your EVs in only a few battles and be nowhere close to level 100, in which case rare candies are fine.
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On May 11 2012 00:03 Lightspeaker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 22:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 10 2012 20:52 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:46 Chunhyang wrote:On May 10 2012 20:43 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:42 WhosTheSmuRf wrote:On May 10 2012 20:39 HolyArrow wrote:On May 10 2012 20:36 Noocta wrote:
Squirtle will be harder than Parting imo, but I really hope MVP win.
Mainly because I don't want another protoss winning but mvp getting a 4th championship would be cool aswell. "Another Protoss winning" 2 Protoss wins 5 Zerg wins 6 Terran wins Why do so many things Terran fans say contradict hard numbers? "Protoss dominating in the GSL" -> http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0"Don't want another Protoss winning" -> Protoss has by far the least GSL wins Blows my mind at how warped perspectives can become. Well said What can I say, I like to back up my arguments with hard facts, unlike many people around here How does "I don't want another Protoss winning" contradict the fact that they have the least GSL final wins? He never said that Protoss has too many wins, or that they have the most. Maybe he's a hater, but he just doesn't want Protoss to win again. That's all. I'm just sayin. That's a fine point, but that just annoys me by principle. I'm a pretty empathetic person - I can understand that people really get into the game and root massively for a certain player or race. But I also believe that all fans deserve the satisfaction of seeing their favorite race win a fair amount. If the situations were magically reversed and Protoss switched places with Terran in terms of big-picture GSL success, I'd be extremely okay with a Terran champion or two, because it's about time - I'd say it's only fair to the Terran fans to see more Terran winners. But, that's not reality. The reality is that Terran has had the most champions and Protoss has had by far the least, and it just annoys me that despite all this, some people really want to see yet another Terran Code S win. Don't get me wrong - I clearly have no greater moral basis for my stance on this, and people who really want to see another Terran win aren't objectively wrong in any way. It's just my personal philosophy that all fans should see ideally their race win a roughly proportionate amount of times, because everyone deserves to be satisfied as viewers. People don't want a Protoss to win because most people (including Blizzard) know that right now Protoss is too good and while Squirtle/Parting/Hero/Oz are good players it's no coincidence they just all became instantly top of the world players the second Blizzard nerfed ghosts, buffed Immortals and buffed Protoss upgrades. I don't really have any racial preference but I want Mvp to crush this kid into the floor to show that overall skill and greatness like Mvp has transcends Blizzard flavour of the month balance patches. When another Protoss wins a Star League I want it to be a real legit win, not a 70% legit win with Blizzard giving them a nice helping hand. Honestly your entire argument is absurd. Terran has the mid-game advantage and Protoss has the late-game advantage. The problem is that at EVERY point in the matchup there's too much volatility. Misclick a forcefield? You're dead. Miscontrol your marines? You're dead. Stim at the wrong time? You're dead. Blink at the wrong time? You're dead. And then the late-game devolves into a dance between Stalkers/Vikings/Colossi and a game of "who can use their casters to hit their AoE attack first?" between HTs and Ghosts. And in the game of casters you win or you die (hello Song of Ice and Fire reference). Matchup is frustratingly badly designed. But it's not imbalanced.
agreed. i also think it is very hard to make objective balance statements beyond terran is strong mid and toss late.
everyone makes mistakes, but it actually comes down to how opportunistic your opponent is. sometimes you look back to make a depot and oh shit, here he is. so it is hard to find consistency.
tbh, most people did not expect MVP to win this time, but it looks like he's figured out parting for now. the next time they meet will still be a toss up, unless either player falls into a massive slump. it's hard to say in sc2.
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hahaah, told you not to write off MVP so fast.
i thought he was going to take it 3-2 though, so sweet to see him win 3-1
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Hum, Liquidbet 2-0.
On May 10 2012 21:51 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:31 Garnet wrote:
Mvp milking as much money as possible before the elephants come. And play in their own league because they wouldn't even get through Code B
Would be the best, than we could get back the elephants in the game that actually offers the right environment for them to play to their limits.
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