On May 12 2012 17:01 Spooony wrote: I despise that certain people are treating Destiny like some kind of biggot. Destiny may have been in the wrong about some of the things he has said on his stream in the past, but anyone who has watched his stream a fair amount can vouch for the fact that Destiny is actually a really nice, intellegent & funny guy... one that has actually been trying to improve his language on stream since the recent Quantic debacle. (When I was watching his stream yesterday, he said something way "gay", and then quickly corrected himself.)
GIGABYTE's decision is stupid, they're shooting themselves in the foot. They are running a very average tournament in regards to players and prizepool. Their only attractive feature to a lot of people is the fact that Destiny would have been casting (not becasue he's controversial... but because he's funny)... GIGABYTE's tournament is going to take a massive hit in viewer numbers; not becasue of people "boycotting", but becasue people will simply hold no interest for the event now that Destiny is no longer going to be casting. I can pretty much assure you that this decision will hurt them more in the pocket than keeping someone who has had a pretty rocky time of late.
If GIGABYTE read this: Destiny is not a liability. He does know the difference between a professional cast and his stream. You're making a moronic decision if you think that he's going to say something that is going to get you in trouble with sponsers.
Instead of getting angry at GIGABYTE you should be angry at Destiny to be honest. Really nice, intelligent & funny guy wouldn't go on 5 hours streaming session calling every opponent "faggot" without reason nor he would use racial slurs oftenly like Destiny did.
Only person to be blamed about all of this is Destiny, you just don't entertain your fan base like that and then try to sell yourself as professional caster for tournament organized by huge company like GIGABYTE, they aint going to take all of that lightly and let him be connected with them and bunch of other partners after all of what happened.
He IS possible liability and company like GIGABYTE knows the risks of having him on board.
Biggest issue I see is GIGABYTE's lack of research before they announced Destiny as caster, they should've had all the facts before making agreement with him - you don't put company and person you contracted in situation like this, where you find out pretty public information via e-mails of enraged peers and then kick your employee out of the gig without official statement (was there any?).
Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want, but this tournament is damn packed with nice players (even if they announced only half of players for now), decent casters and prize pool.
You don't need to agree with GIGABYTE's decision but you still can enjoy awesome games.
On May 12 2012 17:36 Overelemental wrote: Sad that lies and bigotry will ruin this tournament, won't be watching it now. Hopefully the haters won't ruin things for the other casters or players as well.
LIES, LIES AND BIGOTRY!
Gigabyte not having Destiny because of his remarks? Brilliant, sends a very powerful message to people and I applaud them for that. Only doing it because people e-mailed them? Ugh...they obviously did no research, which sucks.
On May 12 2012 16:07 iNcontroL wrote: You couldn't find a post inside of 3 years where I use that word and you could NEVER find a sound bite for any tourney or stream I have done where i use that word.
Stop throwing names around that you actually have no idea about. Luckily for you you are some random person with no stake in this game otherwise you'd have just fucked up big time but whatever.
To be fair, you did describe Artosis' ancestry as "this jewy grasshopper thing."
Sick dude you nailed it!
Two years ago I said something that offended nobody but I used the term "jewey" and now in my defense of having never used the word "faggot" you bring it up in some stupid attempt to discredit me!
Go away.
Well, if all it takes is 3 emails, then I am sure some will try to tear everything down in one night emailing all the sponsors, all of them, attempting to discredit each and everybody they don't like ... Where is the future in all of this? Hard to see it if people continue to do this, if organizers have no spine (hire someone they know is controversial, fire him only if someone complains), and if big sponsors are influenced by emails of people, where I am sure many of them haven't bought one of the sponsors' products in their whole lifetime but clamining to do so to be more forceful.
On May 12 2012 16:07 iNcontroL wrote: You couldn't find a post inside of 3 years where I use that word and you could NEVER find a sound bite for any tourney or stream I have done where i use that word.
Stop throwing names around that you actually have no idea about. Luckily for you you are some random person with no stake in this game otherwise you'd have just fucked up big time but whatever.
To be fair, you did describe Artosis' ancestry as "this jewy grasshopper thing."
Sick dude you nailed it!
Two years ago I said something that offended nobody but I used the term "jewey" and now in my defense of having never used the word "faggot" you bring it up in some stupid attempt to discredit me!
Go away.
Well, if all it takes is 3 emails, then I am sure some will try to tear everything down in one night emailing all the sponsors, all of them, attempting to discredit each and everybody they don't like ... Where is the future in all of this? Hard to see it if people continue to do this, if organizers have no spine (hire someone they know is controversial, fire him only if someone complains), and if big sponsors are influenced by emails of people, where I am sure many of them haven't bought one of the sponsors' products in their whole lifetime but clamining to do so to be more forceful.
You do understand he wasn't fired because of only 3 mails? Mails made them look into Destiny's recent past actions and they didn't like what they saw.
On May 12 2012 19:43 whiterabbit wrote: Instead of getting angry at GIGABYTE you should be angry at Destiny to be honest. Really nice, intelligent & funny guy wouldn't go on 5 hours streaming session calling every opponent "faggot" without reason nor he would use racial slurs oftenly like Destiny did. Only person to be blamed about all of this is Destiny, you just don't entertain your fan base like that and then try to sell yourself as professional caster for tournament organized by huge company like GIGABYTE, they aint going to take all of that lightly and let him be connected with them and bunch of other partners after all of what happened.
He IS possible liability and company like GIGABYTE knows the risks of having him on board.
Biggest issue I see is GIGABYTE's lack of research before they announced Destiny as caster, they should've had all the facts before making agreement with him - you don't put company and person you contracted in situation like this, where you find out pretty public information via e-mails of enraged peers and then kick your employee out of the gig without official statement (was there any?).
Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want, but this tournament is damn packed with nice players (even if they announced only half of players for now), decent casters and prize pool.
You don't need to agree with GIGABYTE's decision but you still can enjoy awesome games.
I'm not angry with GIGABYTE... I just think it's a stupid decision.
I agree with you on the lack of research front. Everyone knows what type of character Destiny is... If you're going to announce him as a caster for your event, at least look into what kind of character he is prior. Doing research after the announcement and removing him as a caster isn't fair on anyone.
On your "Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want," bit I say: "Fuck that"... The number of posts I have made does not have anything to do with my opinions. Check my previous posts, this is the first time I have mentioned Destiny since I signed up to TL, and I have been a long time lurker.
As for the tournament, the line up isn't stacked (at least what has been announced), don't make out as if it's anywhere near the cream of the crop. With the number of high quality tournaments (with better line-ups than this) about atm people don't just watch everything. My post simply stated that Destiny was a major selling point for a lot of people, and that with him gone a lot of people will have lost interest.
And FYI, I'll still probably watch this tournament.
On May 12 2012 19:43 whiterabbit wrote: Instead of getting angry at GIGABYTE you should be angry at Destiny to be honest. Really nice, intelligent & funny guy wouldn't go on 5 hours streaming session calling every opponent "faggot" without reason nor he would use racial slurs oftenly like Destiny did. Only person to be blamed about all of this is Destiny, you just don't entertain your fan base like that and then try to sell yourself as professional caster for tournament organized by huge company like GIGABYTE, they aint going to take all of that lightly and let him be connected with them and bunch of other partners after all of what happened.
He IS possible liability and company like GIGABYTE knows the risks of having him on board.
Biggest issue I see is GIGABYTE's lack of research before they announced Destiny as caster, they should've had all the facts before making agreement with him - you don't put company and person you contracted in situation like this, where you find out pretty public information via e-mails of enraged peers and then kick your employee out of the gig without official statement (was there any?).
Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want, but this tournament is damn packed with nice players (even if they announced only half of players for now), decent casters and prize pool.
You don't need to agree with GIGABYTE's decision but you still can enjoy awesome games.
I'm not angry with GIGABYTE... I just think it's a stupid decision.
I agree with you on the lack of research front. Everyone knows what type of character Destiny is... If you're going to announce him as a caster for your event, at least look into what kind of character he is prior. Doing research after the announcement and removing him as a caster isn't fair on anyone.
On your "Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want," bit I say: "Fuck that"... The number of posts I have made does not have anything to do with my opinions. Check my previous posts, this is the first time I have mentioned Destiny since I signed up to TL, and I have been a long time lurker.
As for the tournament, the line up isn't stacked (at least what has been announced), don't make out as if it's anywhere near the cream of the crop. With the number of high quality tournaments (with better line-ups than this) about atm people don't just watch everything. My post simply stated that Destiny was a major selling point for a lot of people, and that with him gone a lot of people will have lost interest.
And FYI, I'll still probably watch this tournament.
Bringing up post count wasn't one of my best decisions today but you gotta admit, if you check, most of people who came here to just say they won't watch this tournament because of no Destiny are low post count members, you can't deny that pattern.
I am glad you will still watch the tournament, I have strong feeling this event is going to be epic and I hope for amazing players to be yet announced. :-)
On May 12 2012 19:43 whiterabbit wrote: Instead of getting angry at GIGABYTE you should be angry at Destiny to be honest. Really nice, intelligent & funny guy wouldn't go on 5 hours streaming session calling every opponent "faggot" without reason nor he would use racial slurs oftenly like Destiny did. Only person to be blamed about all of this is Destiny, you just don't entertain your fan base like that and then try to sell yourself as professional caster for tournament organized by huge company like GIGABYTE, they aint going to take all of that lightly and let him be connected with them and bunch of other partners after all of what happened.
He IS possible liability and company like GIGABYTE knows the risks of having him on board.
Biggest issue I see is GIGABYTE's lack of research before they announced Destiny as caster, they should've had all the facts before making agreement with him - you don't put company and person you contracted in situation like this, where you find out pretty public information via e-mails of enraged peers and then kick your employee out of the gig without official statement (was there any?).
Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want, but this tournament is damn packed with nice players (even if they announced only half of players for now), decent casters and prize pool.
You don't need to agree with GIGABYTE's decision but you still can enjoy awesome games.
I'm not angry with GIGABYTE... I just think it's a stupid decision.
I agree with you on the lack of research front. Everyone knows what type of character Destiny is... If you're going to announce him as a caster for your event, at least look into what kind of character he is prior. Doing research after the announcement and removing him as a caster isn't fair on anyone.
On your "Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want," bit I say: "Fuck that"... The number of posts I have made does not have anything to do with my opinions. Check my previous posts, this is the first time I have mentioned Destiny since I signed up to TL, and I have been a long time lurker.
As for the tournament, the line up isn't stacked (at least what has been announced), don't make out as if it's anywhere near the cream of the crop. With the number of high quality tournaments (with better line-ups than this) about atm people don't just watch everything. My post simply stated that Destiny was a major selling point for a lot of people, and that with him gone a lot of people will have lost interest.
And FYI, I'll still probably watch this tournament.
Bringing up post count wasn't one of my best decisions today but you gotta admit, if you check, most of people who came here to just say they won't watch this tournament because of no Destiny are low post count members, you can't deny that pattern.
But anyway, you have all rights to not be happy about how things came out but I am glad you will still watch the tournament, I have strong feeling this event is going to be epic and I hope for amazing players to be yet announced. :-)
You are right about the post count thing... but don't tar us all with the same brush. :D
I'd like to stress that I'm pretty indifferent about the GIGABYTE thing, I just think they balls'd up (attempting to look at it objectively). I was just annoyed at the dozens of people saying things like ~ "Good, now I can watch a racist free tournament" and stuff of that nature, basically just mindless hating.
As for the tournament, watching Scarlett play will be cool. Haven't seen much of her since watching her MLG match against Oz.
Webster's Deffinition of the word Biggot : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot After watching Destiny's stream for a long period of time I can conclude that Destiny is not a biggot. Through his interactions on stream with Cella, Debo and other members of minorities, never once did he display a intolerance toward these people.
If anything I think the people behind the e-mails are biggoted themselves for their intollerance to Destiny as a person. Here we have an individual who has through the support of a generally welcoming community brough himself up by his bootstraps and become a somewhat promiminant figure and gets to play a game he enjoyrs for a living.So much so that a tournament knowing his history chose him to help cast a tournament and instead of giving the guy his due and a chance to redeem himself these people have come out against him.
We can assume both gigabyte and the tournaments organizers knew going in what Destiny's history going in and for them to summarily dismiss him like becaus of the vocal minority is wrong. These FEW people, and I emphasise the word FEW because we can assume--and correctly so-- that the majority of people who intended to watch this tournament either supported Destiny casting or did not care one way or another and just wanted to watch some quality e-sports action. For them to change their minds like that is wrong to Destiny and wrong to their viewers.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the right to express it, they're just not always right. When you let the vocal minority call the shots in broadcasting it takes away from the broadcast as a whole. Lets take some polarizing figures in todays media as examples. What if MSNBC gave into the requests to take Chris Mattews off the air because they dissagreed with his political views? Or an even better example of an even more polarizing figure, What if Fox News decided to take Bill O'Reilley off the air because of the requests they get? These companies get thousands of emails a week telling them to do just that, but have they? No they havent, because they know that if they did they would lose more viewers than if they just ignore the complaints. Not giving the majority of people what they want to see because a small group doesnt want to see the same thing just doesnt click with how we structure our society. It doesnt click with how civilization works. The minority should have a voice and it should be heard, but the majority rules.
On May 12 2012 19:43 whiterabbit wrote: Instead of getting angry at GIGABYTE you should be angry at Destiny to be honest. Really nice, intelligent & funny guy wouldn't go on 5 hours streaming session calling every opponent "faggot" without reason nor he would use racial slurs oftenly like Destiny did. Only person to be blamed about all of this is Destiny, you just don't entertain your fan base like that and then try to sell yourself as professional caster for tournament organized by huge company like GIGABYTE, they aint going to take all of that lightly and let him be connected with them and bunch of other partners after all of what happened.
He IS possible liability and company like GIGABYTE knows the risks of having him on board.
Biggest issue I see is GIGABYTE's lack of research before they announced Destiny as caster, they should've had all the facts before making agreement with him - you don't put company and person you contracted in situation like this, where you find out pretty public information via e-mails of enraged peers and then kick your employee out of the gig without official statement (was there any?).
Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want, but this tournament is damn packed with nice players (even if they announced only half of players for now), decent casters and prize pool.
You don't need to agree with GIGABYTE's decision but you still can enjoy awesome games.
I'm not angry with GIGABYTE... I just think it's a stupid decision.
I agree with you on the lack of research front. Everyone knows what type of character Destiny is... If you're going to announce him as a caster for your event, at least look into what kind of character he is prior. Doing research after the announcement and removing him as a caster isn't fair on anyone.
On your "Btw all of you ~50 posts Destiny fanboys can say whatever you want," bit I say: "Fuck that"... The number of posts I have made does not have anything to do with my opinions. Check my previous posts, this is the first time I have mentioned Destiny since I signed up to TL, and I have been a long time lurker.
As for the tournament, the line up isn't stacked (at least what has been announced), don't make out as if it's anywhere near the cream of the crop. With the number of high quality tournaments (with better line-ups than this) about atm people don't just watch everything. My post simply stated that Destiny was a major selling point for a lot of people, and that with him gone a lot of people will have lost interest.
And FYI, I'll still probably watch this tournament.
Bringing up post count wasn't one of my best decisions today but you gotta admit, if you check, most of people who came here to just say they won't watch this tournament because of no Destiny are low post count members, you can't deny that pattern.
I am glad you will still watch the tournament, I have strong feeling this event is going to be epic and I hope for amazing players to be yet announced. :-)
Woo woo.
I have over 50 post, and I still emailed gigabyte esports lan that I will not watch the tourney unless they get destiny back.
On May 12 2012 16:07 iNcontroL wrote: You couldn't find a post inside of 3 years where I use that word and you could NEVER find a sound bite for any tourney or stream I have done where i use that word.
Stop throwing names around that you actually have no idea about. Luckily for you you are some random person with no stake in this game otherwise you'd have just fucked up big time but whatever.
To be fair, you did describe Artosis' ancestry as "this jewy grasshopper thing."
Sick dude you nailed it!
Two years ago I said something that offended nobody but I used the term "jewey" and now in my defense of having never used the word "faggot" you bring it up in some stupid attempt to discredit me!
Go away.
Well, if all it takes is 3 emails, then I am sure some will try to tear everything down in one night emailing all the sponsors, all of them, attempting to discredit each and everybody they don't like ... Where is the future in all of this? Hard to see it if people continue to do this, if organizers have no spine (hire someone they know is controversial, fire him only if someone complains), and if big sponsors are influenced by emails of people, where I am sure many of them haven't bought one of the sponsors' products in their whole lifetime but clamining to do so to be more forceful.
You do understand he wasn't fired because of only 3 mails? Mails made them look into Destiny's recent past actions and they didn't like what they saw.
Yes, but you should also understand, that if you hire someone for your tournament you also know about their role in the community and what that person has done. The organizers hired Destiny to cast because he is such a fanboy-magnet, fully knowing what he thinks about the world. You're not blindly picking people without knowing about who they are. And if you are a sponsor in Sc2, then I cannot imagine the PR and community guys from that company to not have noticed where the controversy is at.
If you bought a ticked expecting Destiny to cast you should ask for a refund. Also even if you haven't bought a ticked, should still message Gigabyte expressing how dissapointed you are in their decision, that is only if you feel that way ofcourse.
If he says anything harmful at a sponsored event live on air, THEN ban him. I just bought my tickets and now I'm looking forward to returning them, thanks Gigabyte.
First time poster, long time reader. I am bummed about this. I will not be watching because Destiny casting is the only reason I even heard about this tournament and I have other things I can do with my time (and money).
I'm glad that Gigabyte decided to pull Destiny or they would lose a lot of sales. The PC store I'm the co-owner of ships about 5-15 PC's every day and about half of those use Gigabyte motherboards and graphics card but we would easily have switched if Gigabyte would have supported this racist.
On May 13 2012 02:49 Swords wrote: Wait? So a Taiwanese company, that works with Koreans and Korean sponsors didn't want a caster who recently called strangers "gooks" online? Shocking.
The only thing GIGABYTE did wrong here was a shitty job of vetting its casters before hiring them
It's not really gigabyte's fault as they put their trust in the organizers to take care of things while they just provide the sponsorship money. I assume the vetting process is done at the time when the organizers come to them with the idea for the tournament. After that, they leave it in the hands of the organizers to run it. I could be wrong though, but I just don't see gigabyte being up to date on the latest sc2 drama of the week.
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