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Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
April 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#2841
On April 19 2012 21:44 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:43 Sareth wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:41 fixed_point wrote:
So which is worse right now, PvP or ZvZ?

PvP
In ZvZ 99% the better ZvZler wins.
In PvP its every game nearly 50/50.


That's bullshit and you know it. Maybe a year ago this was valid about PvP, but it has evolved far far far beyond that. PvP is just as much a test of skills as ZvZ is.

I agree completely.
~~~Liquid Fighting (SC2)~~~
LikeAG6
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia74 Posts
April 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#2842
On April 19 2012 21:46 Sareth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:44 Fragile51 wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:43 Sareth wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:41 fixed_point wrote:
So which is worse right now, PvP or ZvZ?

PvP
In ZvZ 99% the better ZvZler wins.
In PvP its every game nearly 50/50.


That's bullshit and you know it. Maybe a year ago this was valid about PvP, but it has evolved far far far beyond that. PvP is just as much a test of skills as ZvZ is.

Okay, maybe the numbers are a bit to extreme, but still PvP is the most "cointoss" matchup.


It's really not. ZvZ is far more volatile because of how the units are structured, the reason why players that aren't as skilled as their opponents win a lot in ZvZ is because of two things;

1) Banelings
2) Coinflip openings

I'm well aware PvP has coinflip openings, but there's nothing as volatile as the baneling in PvP.

Also, this song is amazing.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity"
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
April 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#2843
On April 19 2012 21:45 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:43 SeeKeR wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:41 Scarecrow wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:37 SeeKeR wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Poll: Text recommendation along with polls?

Yes (17)
 
57%

No (13)
 
43%

30 total votes

Your vote: Text recommendation along with polls?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Seeker you are good enough to judge the entertainment value of games so it's best if you also add some text recommendation along with polls.

..............

gah........

more work........

If you don't like it don't do it. Just stop the whining

I don't whine bro


You whine in Dota :D

Why am I not surprised?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
April 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#2844
this song rocks!
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 19 2012 12:47 GMT
#2845
On April 19 2012 21:45 teddyoojo wrote:
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On April 19 2012 21:43 Lysanias wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:41 Salteador Neo wrote:
Bye bye July, I'll remember you from BW not SC2


Agree, he either finaly shows his BW skills of for the love of god go in the army. Seeing this kind of play from such a legend is just painful.

ye he only got code s round of 16
that fucking noob


Yes not bad with on and off play, no where near his potential. You can be a smart ass about it, but he could be so much better.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
April 19 2012 12:48 GMT
#2846
On April 19 2012 21:45 Thinasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:43 Sareth wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:41 fixed_point wrote:
So which is worse right now, PvP or ZvZ?

PvP
In ZvZ 99% the better ZvZler wins.
In PvP its every game nearly 50/50.


You keep on talking, but it makes no sense at all.


While they're both the "volatile, walk on eggshells, one misclick and you lose" match ups, I now find PvP to be more versatile at the higher levels. We're seeing a lot of evolution.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 19 2012 12:48 GMT
#2847
On April 19 2012 21:47 Fenrax wrote:
this song rocks!

Correction: as soon as it began it was time to mute the stream for the first time today and turn on Kpop instead
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 19 2012 12:48 GMT
#2848
On April 19 2012 21:45 Poisonblack wrote:
july needs to be beat up and raped by gorillas after such terrible games....
Gorillas are calm and gentle animals. ^^ I'd be more afraid for them in the hands of July.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
cefiro
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand70 Posts
April 19 2012 12:48 GMT
#2849
Come on Leenock!
rabbits are dumb Guinea Pigs are SMART
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
April 19 2012 12:49 GMT
#2850
On April 19 2012 21:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:45 Thinasy wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:43 Sareth wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:41 fixed_point wrote:
So which is worse right now, PvP or ZvZ?

PvP
In ZvZ 99% the better ZvZler wins.
In PvP its every game nearly 50/50.


You keep on talking, but it makes no sense at all.


While they're both the "volatile, walk on eggshells, one misclick and you lose" match ups, I now find PvP to be more versatile at the higher levels. We're seeing a lot of evolution.


Yup, ZvZ is just plain bad. I am a Zerg player and I actually do find Pro-level PvP kinda fun to watch nowadays, I just wrote it because of the lyrics in the song that was playing:D
Jaedong & Faker
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
April 19 2012 12:49 GMT
#2851
On April 19 2012 21:46 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:45 -TesteR- wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:39 Dodgin wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:34 -TesteR- wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:29 Dodgin wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:27 -TesteR- wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:22 Talin wrote:
Are people seriously complaining about poll votes? -_-

I can't remember voting objectively in any starcraft-related poll ever, EVER (unless it happened to coincide with my choice).

remember, the people who are complaining about the 5 star votes are the same people who would themselves vote 5 stars if MVP had won :D


That's not true at all and a really stupid thing to say, a Terran winning with a one base all-in against a Protoss will almost never be a 5 star game unless some crazy shit happens. You guys say posters only vote with their heart for recommended games but I can give you examples in the SPL finals thread that proves this very wrong.


false, its really stupid to compare the general populace of TL to the few whiners about the poll. The game was also not a 1 star game, yet there are butt hurt fanboys voting 1 star(which has a ton of votes in 2nd place), which most likely would switch to 5 star votes if MVP would have won. Nice try though.


I don't think Mvp has enough " fanboys " to make the 1 star vote equal the 5 star votes, It's just reasonable people who know that was an awful game.

Maybe the BW forums are just more mature considering both games were Flash lost in the finals have 95%+ recommended.


Yes the 1 star vote is reasonably, that was the worst possible game deserving of the lowest possible vote. so dumb...


I voted for two stars but I can see how people would choose one, It's not entertaining and you can't learn anything from it other than scouting the map is good.

hmm you must think that's all there was too it and they just a-moved into eachother after it was scouted. I guess that's okay for you, but i learned a bit based on how that engagement went.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
April 19 2012 12:49 GMT
#2852
On April 19 2012 21:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:45 Thinasy wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:43 Sareth wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:41 fixed_point wrote:
So which is worse right now, PvP or ZvZ?

PvP
In ZvZ 99% the better ZvZler wins.
In PvP its every game nearly 50/50.


You keep on talking, but it makes no sense at all.


While they're both the "volatile, walk on eggshells, one misclick and you lose" match ups, I now find PvP to be more versatile at the higher levels. We're seeing a lot of evolution.


Unless ZvZ I think. That muta attempt with pretty quickly I feel. people...just went roaches
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
April 19 2012 12:49 GMT
#2853
SONG NAME PLEASE
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 19 2012 12:49 GMT
#2854
Is it bad that I'm slowly falling in love with this cheesy ass song.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 19 2012 12:49 GMT
#2855
I think that viva las vegas song might be the worst song ever played on gsl
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
CrumpetGuvnor
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia302 Posts
April 19 2012 12:50 GMT
#2856
On April 19 2012 21:49 InoyouS2 wrote:
SONG NAME PLEASE

its on the screen chief
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 19 2012 12:50 GMT
#2857
DAMMIT, they cut off the epic.
THERE A FEELING
WHERE YOUR STAND-
fuck
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
April 19 2012 12:50 GMT
#2858
On April 19 2012 21:49 MCDayC wrote:
Is it bad that I'm slowly falling in love with this cheesy ass song.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect

Nope
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 12:52:22
April 19 2012 12:50 GMT
#2859
On April 19 2012 21:47 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:46 Sareth wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:44 Fragile51 wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:43 Sareth wrote:
On April 19 2012 21:41 fixed_point wrote:
So which is worse right now, PvP or ZvZ?

PvP
In ZvZ 99% the better ZvZler wins.
In PvP its every game nearly 50/50.


That's bullshit and you know it. Maybe a year ago this was valid about PvP, but it has evolved far far far beyond that. PvP is just as much a test of skills as ZvZ is.

Okay, maybe the numbers are a bit to extreme, but still PvP is the most "cointoss" matchup.

...because baneling wars aren't the most volatile battles in the game? -.-

because banelingwars can be influenced by micro.
If you go anythnig but robo you die to dts.
If you lose a Stalker in the early game you are behind, and the snowballing in PvP is extreme.
If you expand against a 4gate you are pretty much dead.

I am a Toss player and i HATE PvP...
watching ZvZ can be very nice, especially if the game goes over 2 bases.
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
April 19 2012 12:50 GMT
#2860
On April 19 2012 21:50 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 21:49 InoyouS2 wrote:
SONG NAME PLEASE

its on the screen chief


Not the dubstep crap.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
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