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K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
April 17 2012 04:48 GMT
#341
I think Nony should stop using multiple hotkeys for the midgame in my opinion. You can see the delay from the FFs and when he retreats. It's great for BW but it feels so awkward in sc2. T_T;;

Anyway, great games to watch! :D
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 17 2012 04:48 GMT
#342
On April 17 2012 13:47 MasterKang wrote:
damn, if they forced an ace match wouldve been taeja vs alive with TL victory


I would actually give the advantage to aLive. Taeja's TvT is very strong, but I think aLive's TvT is a bit stronger.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
April 17 2012 04:49 GMT
#343
On April 17 2012 13:46 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
yup game's over. Hero and Zenio really letting down TL this series


lol...how is HerO loosing 2-1 to IPL4 champion letting TL down...I agree to an extend that Zenio got a little too greedy with his builds but imo, he's still the better player based on the 2nd macro game
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 04:50:36
April 17 2012 04:50 GMT
#344
On April 17 2012 13:47 MasterKang wrote:
damn, if they forced an ace match wouldve been taeja vs alive with TL victory


not really, aLive didnt lose a TvT in months ^^

ggs TL
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
Darkaros
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 04:55:22
April 17 2012 04:53 GMT
#345
The silver lining for TL is that they put up a good fight for all games; 2-1 losses and 0-2 win over Rain is not too much dmg to the scoreboard. And there's still 6 weeks for teams to (hopefully?) drop clan wars and fall from the top.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37029 Posts
April 17 2012 04:54 GMT
#346
This sucks hardcore....

TaeJa just joined the roster, and I wanted some great games from him.....

Next time TL...... next time......
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 17 2012 04:58 GMT
#347
On April 17 2012 13:54 SeeKeR wrote:
This sucks hardcore....

TaeJa just joined the roster, and I wanted some great games from him.....

Next time TL...... next time......


He did 2-0 his opponent convincingly.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
April 17 2012 04:59 GMT
#348
On April 17 2012 13:37 FlyingTurtle wrote:
By choosing 1gate expand, Nony is being really smart. Most Z v P games now focus on dealing with FFE, and Zergs are not used to seeing the 1gate expand. Some, like Moon, may misread and prepare for a 4gate Zealot/Sentry push. Also, it messes with the timings that Zerg players are used to (later 3rd hatch- unless you want to gamble with a super-fast 3rd and hope it's a 1gate expo instead of a 3 or 4gate). As a result, Moon made roaches too soon instead of hitting that 60-65 drone count and maxing at 12. Nony is definitely using the metagame to his advantage.


And 1 gate expand is bad for all the reasons that the last game showed.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
April 17 2012 05:01 GMT
#349
On April 17 2012 13:50 SilentBonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 13:47 MasterKang wrote:
damn, if they forced an ace match wouldve been taeja vs alive with TL victory


not really, aLive didnt lose a TvT in months ^^

ggs TL


+ Show Spoiler +
TaeJa beat aLive 2-0 at GSL code S 2:0, first match was 2-1 for aLive though
MC, Stephano, Ret, Jjakji, Grubby, Life, HerO, Scarlett, TaeJa
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
April 17 2012 05:02 GMT
#350
On April 17 2012 13:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 13:37 FlyingTurtle wrote:
By choosing 1gate expand, Nony is being really smart. Most Z v P games now focus on dealing with FFE, and Zergs are not used to seeing the 1gate expand. Some, like Moon, may misread and prepare for a 4gate Zealot/Sentry push. Also, it messes with the timings that Zerg players are used to (later 3rd hatch- unless you want to gamble with a super-fast 3rd and hope it's a 1gate expo instead of a 3 or 4gate). As a result, Moon made roaches too soon instead of hitting that 60-65 drone count and maxing at 12. Nony is definitely using the metagame to his advantage.


And 1 gate expand is bad for all the reasons that the last game showed.


Well it was a 3 gate expand though.
FlyingTurtle
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
April 17 2012 05:05 GMT
#351
On April 17 2012 13:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 13:37 FlyingTurtle wrote:
By choosing 1gate expand, Nony is being really smart. Most Z v P games now focus on dealing with FFE, and Zergs are not used to seeing the 1gate expand. Some, like Moon, may misread and prepare for a 4gate Zealot/Sentry push. Also, it messes with the timings that Zerg players are used to (later 3rd hatch- unless you want to gamble with a super-fast 3rd and hope it's a 1gate expo instead of a 3 or 4gate). As a result, Moon made roaches too soon instead of hitting that 60-65 drone count and maxing at 12. Nony is definitely using the metagame to his advantage.


And 1 gate expand is bad for all the reasons that the last game showed.


That's because he does it TOO consistently and Moon basically played super greedy with the drone up. Nony didn't pressure him quickly enough. If he did the 1gate expo as his main build with an occasional FFE and an infrequent 1base aggression opening he would have a very flexible opening repertoire with the ability to mindgame any opponent. Instead, he did the safe expo every game and Moon figured out the pattern. Predictability leads to exploitation.
"This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." -Samir Duran, on the Hybrid
MrFrenchy
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada37 Posts
April 17 2012 05:07 GMT
#352
Nony was looking strong, glad to see him getting back into form and getting playing time in play leagues.

It's also nice to see a pro show that gateway expand pvz builds are still viable.
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 17 2012 05:09 GMT
#353
On April 17 2012 14:01 Farone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 13:50 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 17 2012 13:47 MasterKang wrote:
damn, if they forced an ace match wouldve been taeja vs alive with TL victory


not really, aLive didnt lose a TvT in months ^^

ggs TL


+ Show Spoiler +
TaeJa beat aLive 2-0 at GSL code S 2:0, first match was 2-1 for aLive though


TaeJa yet has to beat MMA, MKP and Polt in a row to be considered as good TvT as aLive imo, but they are sure both great players.
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
StaplerPhone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States813 Posts
April 17 2012 05:16 GMT
#354
On April 17 2012 14:01 Farone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 13:50 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 17 2012 13:47 MasterKang wrote:
damn, if they forced an ace match wouldve been taeja vs alive with TL victory


not really, aLive didnt lose a TvT in months ^^

ggs TL


+ Show Spoiler +
TaeJa beat aLive 2-0 at GSL code S 2:0, first match was 2-1 for aLive though

That was jjackji not alive
NaDa | MC | HerO | DeMusliM | TaeJa | viOLet
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 17 2012 05:23 GMT
#355
On April 17 2012 14:01 Farone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 13:50 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 17 2012 13:47 MasterKang wrote:
damn, if they forced an ace match wouldve been taeja vs alive with TL victory


not really, aLive didnt lose a TvT in months ^^

ggs TL


+ Show Spoiler +
TaeJa beat aLive 2-0 at GSL code S 2:0, first match was 2-1 for aLive though

aLive dropped out of Code S because of losses to July and Leenock, i'm pretty sure you mean Jjakji...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 05:48:59
April 17 2012 05:44 GMT
#356
On April 17 2012 14:05 FlyingTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 13:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On April 17 2012 13:37 FlyingTurtle wrote:
By choosing 1gate expand, Nony is being really smart. Most Z v P games now focus on dealing with FFE, and Zergs are not used to seeing the 1gate expand. Some, like Moon, may misread and prepare for a 4gate Zealot/Sentry push. Also, it messes with the timings that Zerg players are used to (later 3rd hatch- unless you want to gamble with a super-fast 3rd and hope it's a 1gate expo instead of a 3 or 4gate). As a result, Moon made roaches too soon instead of hitting that 60-65 drone count and maxing at 12. Nony is definitely using the metagame to his advantage.


And 1 gate expand is bad for all the reasons that the last game showed.


That's because he does it TOO consistently and Moon basically played super greedy with the drone up. Nony didn't pressure him quickly enough. If he did the 1gate expo as his main build with an occasional FFE and an infrequent 1base aggression opening he would have a very flexible opening repertoire with the ability to mindgame any opponent. Instead, he did the safe expo every game and Moon figured out the pattern. Predictability leads to exploitation.


I have yet to see 1 gate expand consistently work against a top-level zerg and Moon is not a top-level zerg at the moment.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
April 17 2012 06:01 GMT
#357
This was a really fun series. I enjoyed the games and the cast.

On April 17 2012 02:38 SabreUK wrote:
ByuL > Zenio
aLive > HerO
Taeja > Rain
Moon > NonY

3-1 Fnatic is my prediction

... Well played ...
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
April 17 2012 06:15 GMT
#358
not really, aLive didnt lose a TvT in months ^^


Taeja 3-1 aLive in the ESV Grand Prix in Feb
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
April 17 2012 06:29 GMT
#359
On April 17 2012 13:49 ninjamyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 13:46 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
yup game's over. Hero and Zenio really letting down TL this series


lol...how is HerO loosing 2-1 to IPL4 champion letting TL down...I agree to an extend that Zenio got a little too greedy with his builds but imo, he's still the better player based on the 2nd macro game


by losing a team match....next....
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 17 2012 06:39 GMT
#360
On April 17 2012 15:15 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
not really, aLive didnt lose a TvT in months ^^


Taeja 3-1 aLive in the ESV Grand Prix in Feb


right, but that wasnt such a big tournament afair ?

well its 2 months ago, Iam sure players shape changed from then.
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
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