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QUALIFIER TOURNAMENT: http://www.cstarleague.com/news/2501/all-stars-qualifier-tournament
Brackets are here!
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We're announcing the CSL All Star Invitational today! Eight of the top CSL players will be chosen to compete for $5,000 in prizes June 2-3 at our Grand Finals!
YOU will have the chance to vote for your favorite players! Voting will last from now until May 5th, so make sure to place your votes now 
"How does this work: 10 players from each race were chosen based on the following criteria: CSL performances, ladder, and tournament results. Four administrators made lists and the average of those lists are the final players. Everyone will be able to vote for a player of each race they think should be an All Star! The top 2 from each race will be awarded invitations to the event. The final two players will be chosen by a coordinator vote. No coordinator can vote for his or her own player."
Here are the categories:
Poll: ProtossUNCjer (731) 28% hellokitty (514) 19% CaliberLighT (400) 15% YaTa (361) 14% CUHZ (238) 9% Harmony (134) 5% NrGDime (87) 3% ExO (73) 3% uGpTaiga (56) 2% Kangpo (55) 2% 2649 total votes Your vote: Protoss (Vote): YaTa
(Vote): hellokitty
(Vote): CUHZ
(Vote): Kangpo
(Vote): ExO
(Vote): CaliberLighT
(Vote): UNCjer
(Vote): NrGDime
(Vote): Harmony
(Vote): uGpTaiga
Poll: TerrancoLQxc (1255) 52% KawaiiRiceLighT (506) 21% ices (256) 11% binskiLighT (85) 4% ZeuS (56) 2% StaLighT (56) 2% Teslarooper (50) 2% tGensulitor (49) 2% iMpBroonrebU (49) 2% Lizuma (37) 2% 2399 total votes Your vote: Terran (Vote): coLQxc
(Vote): KawaiiRiceLighT
(Vote): binskiLighT
(Vote): ices
(Vote): ZeuS
(Vote): tGensulitor
(Vote): Lizuma
(Vote): StaLighT
(Vote): iMpBroonrebU
(Vote): Teslarooper
Poll: ZergGoSuOstojiy (2528) 55% VileSpanishiwa (905) 20% coLgoswer (425) 9% HeavensLighT (270) 6% xsixSuppy (180) 4% PeNguiN (73) 2% xsixMystik (52) 1% Gerbil (46) 1% Mike (45) 1% XoG (43) 1% 4567 total votes Your vote: Zerg (Vote): VileSpanishiwa
(Vote): xsixSuppy
(Vote): xsixMystik
(Vote): Gerbil
(Vote): GoSuOstojiy
(Vote): HeavensLighT
(Vote): coLgoswer
(Vote): Mike
(Vote): PeNguiN
(Vote): XoG
Check out, THIS POST for more information!
Also follow @Cstarleague on Twitter, and the CSL on facebook to keep up-to-date with the latest CSL news! We have a lot more announcements regarding our Grand Finals coming up in the next week!
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Gogo ZeuS, Mike, and YaTa!
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How can you not vote for HeavensLighT? I'm baffled. He's clearly the new foreigner hope. Srsly.
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it's coLgoswser, with that second 's'.
and on a related note,
coLgoswser all the wayyyy
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You should really update the OP with their records.
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On April 12 2012 06:48 sambo400 wrote:
You should really update the OP with their records.
You can check the deetz in the CSL post!
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Definitely voting for vileSpanishiwa. Creative play every day.
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How were the players selected? I think there are some arguments for other players as well...
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Why is ClashNaNViki (formerly NadaViking and ePValkyrie) not in the T lineup? He definitely deserves to be in there.
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what about random players? there is a top gm random player named Power
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Wow are you kidding me? So much talent in this competition, rooting for Teslarooper, probably one of the most talented players out there.
Edit: Or rooping for Teslarooter, amirite?
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On April 12 2012 07:07 TehV747 wrote:
Zeus Mike and yata!
took the words right outta my mouth
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lets go Suppy! UC Berkeley represent!
On another note, didn't Spanishiwa stop playing SC2? :/
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Do Spanishiwa's fans not know that a) he was never good and b) he doesn't play anymore?
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the University of Cincinnati (ranked #2 in north) is insulted and feel disrespected that Fitzyhere isn't on the list!!
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RIT pride!!!! Yata fighting!
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On April 12 2012 07:14 sanddbox_sc2 wrote:
Do Spanishiwa's fans not know that a) he was never good and b) he doesn't play anymore?
Since it appears that you are from the USA, allow me to make this analogy: Spanishiwa is like the star collegiate player in NCAA sports: He's really strong in the CSL (think of this as the NCAA), but when you put him against the full-time pros (think of this as the NBA, NFL, etc), he doesn't shine, but he can still hold against the lower-tier pros (Spanishiwa did make the championship brackets at IPL 3 and MLG Providence, which is no small feat when playing part-time).
I root for collegiate teams and athletes, even though I know there are better professional players and teams out there, because the expectations for student-athletes and professional athletes are different. He's no DRG, but he is still a pretty good player considering.
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UNCjer for being a carrybot with 17-3 record :D
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Please add San Jose State University's top player, tQMewTwo to the vote poll.
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My name was spelled wrong  but vote for me anyways woo!
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On April 12 2012 07:07 TehV747 wrote:
Zeus Mike and yata!
Voted for them as well!
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On April 12 2012 06:57 rbkl wrote:
How were the players selected? I think there are some arguments for other players as well...
Everyone can make an argument for other players - with a limited # of slots per race, there is no way everyone will be satisfied with every player choice.
The list of players was chosen by averaging the choices of multiple administrators who were asked to create top 10 lists based on CSL performance, tournament results, and ladder. There are definitely other players in the CSL who arguably could be on this list - and that's partially what the coordinator vote is for.
The format of this voting is very similar to NBA All Star voting.
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Looks fun. My first reaction was the players who were selected is kind of silly, but since it's only gonna be the top 10, I think they included the top 10 best players and it's a moot point.
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Zeus and Mike! Represent!
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Ostojiy is the best player on this list and he's not even being voted in.
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I think ostojiy and mystik are the best zergs atm
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what went into the selection of the players?
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Let's go YaTa gogo RIT represent!!! Also, Kawaii (was pretty close to voting Binski though :O ), and Heavens as well :D!!!
Edit: OMG QXC's got so many more votes than Kawaii D: D: D:.
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On April 12 2012 08:14 Shew wrote:
what went into the selection of the players?
poor shew 
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Okay, Harmony will be removed from the poll for vote rigging. Will announce his replacement.
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Zerg should be ostojiy + mystik
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this is harmony - i just woke up from a nap and apparently this exploded on facebook. someone said he wrote a script but i wasn't sure whether it was true... guess it is. sorry for the fiasco but hopefully no one thinks i condone the vote rigging (it would be the most embarrassing beating of my life if i actually won the vote).
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On April 12 2012 08:22 whistle wrote:
this is harmony - i just woke up from a nap and apparently this exploded on facebook. someone said he wrote a script but i wasn't sure whether it was true... guess it is. sorry for the fiasco but hopefully no one thinks i condone the vote rigging (it would be the most embarrassing beating of my life if i actually won the vote).
No worries at all. We've detected it :p
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On April 12 2012 07:17 mBnBuki wrote:
the University of Cincinnati (ranked #2 in north) is insulted and feel disrespected that Fitzyhere isn't on the list!!
Yeah. Gerbil went 3-2. Pretty sure half of the league deserves it more than him. Fitzy should definitely be on that list
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On April 12 2012 08:26 sambo400 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:17 mBnBuki wrote:
the University of Cincinnati (ranked #2 in north) is insulted and feel disrespected that Fitzyhere isn't on the list!!
Yeah. Gerbil went 3-2. Pretty sure half of the league deserves it more than him. Fitzy should definitely be on that list
Only 3-2? I went 13-1 u_u
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Yeah it was probably a good idea not to include Kyhol in the terran line-up. It would just be too easy.
P: YaTa
T: Qxc
Z: Ostojiy
gogo
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On April 12 2012 08:03 uberism wrote:
I think ostojiy and mystik are the best zergs atm
Goswer is a pretty fair pick for a top Zerg I think, I'm not familiar enough with Spanishiwa's recent performances to have an educated opinion on him. My picks would probably be, no order, Suppy / Ostojiy / Goswer with Heavens and Mystik being close contenders also
Edit: didn't realize that Gerbil is Hendralsk, he's a good Z and better than the other random GMs / top masters Z. These votes will probably come down to 80% popularity 20% skill (<----- totally made up %'s), I just hope all the 10 players who make it in are skilled and show off some great games
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On April 12 2012 08:30 HenryZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 08:26 sambo400 wrote:On April 12 2012 07:17 mBnBuki wrote:
the University of Cincinnati (ranked #2 in north) is insulted and feel disrespected that Fitzyhere isn't on the list!!
Yeah. Gerbil went 3-2. Pretty sure half of the league deserves it more than him. Fitzy should definitely be on that list 3-2? I went 13-1 u_u
Sorry, your link is to the wrong person in the post
No hate intended
(Ps I'm the guy who went 2 base Mothership against you at Princeton!)
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On April 12 2012 08:15 whistle wrote:
lol what is going on
:/ I just find it odd how our school is in the top 3 yet no players are on the list
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taiga and mystik WOOOOOOOOOO~
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Rutgers CSL champion Mike is streaming Playhem right now! Please watch and vote for him (as well as ZeuS!)
www.justin.tv/mike4534
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Why is a master Protoss with less than 50% win ratio beating a grandmaster?!
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On April 12 2012 09:18 noobeater5 wrote:Why is a master Protoss with less than 50% win ratio beating a grandmaster?!
who would that be?
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You guys should update the OP to make it clearer what the format is. The wording here isn't as precise as it is on the CSL website:
"How does this work: 10 players from each race were chosen based on the following criteria: CSL performances, ladder, and tournament results. Four administrators made lists and the average of those lists are the final players. Everyone will be able to vote for a player of each race they think should be an All Star! The top 2 from each race will be awarded invitations to the event. The final two players will be chosen by a coordinator vote. No coordinator can vote for his or her own player."
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On April 12 2012 09:29 Mario1209 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 09:18 noobeater5 wrote:Why is a master Protoss with less than 50% win ratio beating a grandmaster?! who would that be?
That harmony kid is beating me QQ
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Dime, for UofC. ZeuS for [PaiN] back in BW. xSixMystik because Mkengyn isn't listed (although he is exponentially better than some of the Z players listed.)
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Why is Harmony on that list... lol.
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can i petition to get added to that list if i actually start playing in csl again?
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Pretty much all LighT players are in CSL .. :D
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Vote Ostojiy, we need more Canadians playing! He also did really well at MLG and I want to see him up against some NA players.
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It'd be cool if there was, instead of the Coordinator vote, an open qualifying tournament for the last two spots. I totally understand that would be a lot of work and admin-hours to run though
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VOTE TESLA FUTURE OF TERRAN!
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On April 12 2012 10:33 soLremarK wrote:
It'd be cool if there was, instead of the Coordinator vote, an open qualifying tournament for the last two spots. I totally understand that would be a lot of work and admin-hours to run though
I think it would be better if the last two slots were chosen from each of the top 2 schools competing in the grand finals of CSL. Makes more sense logistically and at the same time give spots to schools who are well-deserving (obviously by making it to grand finals).
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ughhh....why vote for ostojiy? he's sooo bad :/
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On April 12 2012 10:38 stalife wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 10:33 soLremarK wrote:
It'd be cool if there was, instead of the Coordinator vote, an open qualifying tournament for the last two spots. I totally understand that would be a lot of work and admin-hours to run though I think it would be better if the last two slots were chosen from each of the top 2 schools competing in the grand finals of CSL. Makes more sense logistically and at the same time give spots to schools who are well-deserving (obviously by making it to grand finals).
Yeah that honestly seems like the best option. That way there is still the chance for an up-and-coming player who didn't make it on this list to still have a shot, and it doesn't require any additional work from CSL admins. And anyway, not all coordinators know all of the players well enough to make it any less of a popularity contest. Just let each finalist pick a player and it's good to go.
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QXC IS SUPER KAWAII NE U SHOULD VOTE FOR HIM
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QXC is OP!
;D
He has my vote!
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This is sick, props to CSL for putting this together, going to be some stiff competition, whoever ends up winning.
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It's great to see CSL provide tournament platform for North America SC2 players.
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No sMiBrink
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T.O.P.
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On April 12 2012 07:04 Polar_Nada wrote:
what about random players? there is a top gm random player named Power
10 players from each race were chosen based on the following criteria: CSL performances, ladder, and tournament results.
As you can see from above, power is missing the criteria "e-fame" necessary to be chosen.
+ Show Spoiler +Since there is CSL staff in your team, you can blame shindigs.
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Ostojiy takes a huge lead O_O!~
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On April 12 2012 09:55 noobeater5 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 09:29 Mario1209 wrote:On April 12 2012 09:18 noobeater5 wrote:Why is a master Protoss with less than 50% win ratio beating a grandmaster?! who would that be? That harmony kid is beating me QQ
that's me, a kid who goes to my school heard about this on our CSL team's facebook page and decided to make a script to vote for me "as a prank". not the best prank and not the best decision but that's why I'm "beating" you... I think roughly 70-80 of my votes are fake.
edit: xeris/csl are aware of the situation, see his post a few pages ago
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Got home from my classes here at 9:30 PM and it took me about 5 minutes to realize that I was on that list. Its been a long day haha. Voting for Yata (Sick protoss!), Qxc and ostijoy.
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So why wasn't I included in the Terran group (not that I have any chance to make top 2 =P, much less high at all), when I'm ranked higher from last season (not all of those names were in GM), and have more wins and matches for CSL this season?
Also, HeavensLight FTW, where's his support? Same for BINSKIIIIIIOIIII
...and does even Spanishiwa ever play much anymore?
edit: Okaydokie, I get it now :<
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NO FAIR THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD ZERG CHOICES
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On April 12 2012 13:01 SniXSniPe wrote:
So why wasn't I included in the Terran group (not that I have any chance to make top 2 =P, much less high at all), when I'm ranked higher from last season (not all of those names were in GM), and have more wins and matches for CSL this season?
Also, HeavensLight FTW, where's his support?
...and does even Spanishiwa ever play much anymore?
Again - the list was an average of 4 different lists from admins.
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On April 12 2012 11:17 Erik.TheRed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 10:38 stalife wrote:On April 12 2012 10:33 soLremarK wrote:
It'd be cool if there was, instead of the Coordinator vote, an open qualifying tournament for the last two spots. I totally understand that would be a lot of work and admin-hours to run though I think it would be better if the last two slots were chosen from each of the top 2 schools competing in the grand finals of CSL. Makes more sense logistically and at the same time give spots to schools who are well-deserving (obviously by making it to grand finals). Yeah that honestly seems like the best option. That way there is still the chance for an up-and-coming player who didn't make it on this list to still have a shot, and it doesn't require any additional work from CSL admins. And anyway, not all coordinators know all of the players well enough to make it any less of a popularity contest. Just let each finalist pick a player and it's good to go.
Yea that makes a fair bit of sense
As it is now,the final stage is quite literally a popularity contest. I dont see any other way to describe it. Seems like pulling out mvp performances to win CSL games or lans only gets people on a list that they cant possibly win because they lack TL presence. Up and comers have close to no chance, I think its better to leave them out rather than get their hopes up if a poll vote is the final criteria.
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On April 12 2012 13:20 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 11:17 Erik.TheRed wrote:On April 12 2012 10:38 stalife wrote:On April 12 2012 10:33 soLremarK wrote:
It'd be cool if there was, instead of the Coordinator vote, an open qualifying tournament for the last two spots. I totally understand that would be a lot of work and admin-hours to run though I think it would be better if the last two slots were chosen from each of the top 2 schools competing in the grand finals of CSL. Makes more sense logistically and at the same time give spots to schools who are well-deserving (obviously by making it to grand finals). Yeah that honestly seems like the best option. That way there is still the chance for an up-and-coming player who didn't make it on this list to still have a shot, and it doesn't require any additional work from CSL admins. And anyway, not all coordinators know all of the players well enough to make it any less of a popularity contest. Just let each finalist pick a player and it's good to go. Yea that makes a fair bit of sense As it is now,the final stage is quite literally a popularity contest. I dont see any other way to describe it. Seems like pulling out mvp performances to win CSL games or lans only gets people on a list that they cant possibly win because they lack TL presence. Up and comers have close to no chance, I think its better to leave them out rather than get their hopes up if a poll vote is the final criteria.
Why does the NBA All Star voting have more than Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul on it - no other guards have a chance at making it from the poll... that logic won't really take you anywhere. This poll has over 4,000 votes, that means a lot of the people who are on this poll that aren't "known" now have gotten a lot more exposure than they ever have. Everyone's gotta start somewhere, and this is as good a place as any.
Maybe they won't win the poll, but maybe it will be a staging point for them moving forward !
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On April 12 2012 13:20 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 11:17 Erik.TheRed wrote:On April 12 2012 10:38 stalife wrote:On April 12 2012 10:33 soLremarK wrote:
It'd be cool if there was, instead of the Coordinator vote, an open qualifying tournament for the last two spots. I totally understand that would be a lot of work and admin-hours to run though I think it would be better if the last two slots were chosen from each of the top 2 schools competing in the grand finals of CSL. Makes more sense logistically and at the same time give spots to schools who are well-deserving (obviously by making it to grand finals). Yeah that honestly seems like the best option. That way there is still the chance for an up-and-coming player who didn't make it on this list to still have a shot, and it doesn't require any additional work from CSL admins. And anyway, not all coordinators know all of the players well enough to make it any less of a popularity contest. Just let each finalist pick a player and it's good to go. Yea that makes a fair bit of sense As it is now,the final stage is quite literally a popularity contest. I dont see any other way to describe it. Seems like pulling out mvp performances to win CSL games or lans only gets people on a list that they cant possibly win because they lack TL presence. Up and comers have close to no chance, I think its better to leave them out rather than get their hopes up if a poll vote is the final criteria.
To be fair, AFAIK this is how most "all-star" events are done in big sporting leagues (except the NHL which has the most badass schoolyard system). Players are nominated internally and then voted on by the public.
Not saying the best players are going to go through, and an open qualification slot would have been nice. Maybe that is what the coordinator vote is for?
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On April 12 2012 13:26 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 13:20 Rebs wrote:On April 12 2012 11:17 Erik.TheRed wrote:On April 12 2012 10:38 stalife wrote:On April 12 2012 10:33 soLremarK wrote:
It'd be cool if there was, instead of the Coordinator vote, an open qualifying tournament for the last two spots. I totally understand that would be a lot of work and admin-hours to run though I think it would be better if the last two slots were chosen from each of the top 2 schools competing in the grand finals of CSL. Makes more sense logistically and at the same time give spots to schools who are well-deserving (obviously by making it to grand finals). Yeah that honestly seems like the best option. That way there is still the chance for an up-and-coming player who didn't make it on this list to still have a shot, and it doesn't require any additional work from CSL admins. And anyway, not all coordinators know all of the players well enough to make it any less of a popularity contest. Just let each finalist pick a player and it's good to go. Yea that makes a fair bit of sense As it is now,the final stage is quite literally a popularity contest. I dont see any other way to describe it. Seems like pulling out mvp performances to win CSL games or lans only gets people on a list that they cant possibly win because they lack TL presence. Up and comers have close to no chance, I think its better to leave them out rather than get their hopes up if a poll vote is the final criteria. Why does the NBA All Star voting have more than Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul on it - no other guards have a chance at making it from the poll... that logic won't really take you anywhere. This poll has over 4,000 votes, that means a lot of the people who are on this poll that aren't "known" now have gotten a lot more exposure than they ever have. Everyone's gotta start somewhere, and this is as good a place as any. Maybe they won't win the poll, but maybe it will be a staging point for them moving forward !
Yes but alot of the popularity some of those players garner is outside the framework of the CSL. Kobe isnt getting voted on the all star game because of what he does in other leagues. Its the same league and thats the only outlet for people to know him or anyone else (except college yeah but lets be real). I dont see how thats a viable comparison. I get your logic and its fine to some extent. But the comparison is poor, this isnt "[SC2 semi pros/pros of the] CSL All Stars" is it ?
And really all that aside. This isnt the NBA or any other big league, as much as we'd all like that to be the case. I hope you dont do something just by the rationale that all the other big leagues do it, thats just silly.
Just saying an open spot on pure CSL merit for best players on the winning team or finalists or whatever seems like a good idea. Even if we do take it as an apples to apples comparison with the big leagues, The bench spots on the all star game arent via fan ballot, so potentially deserving players who aren't popular do make it on "some" kind of merit, that isnt popularity. They dont get snubbed outright. Think of the last couple of spots as that.
Hell that open qualifier idea between the losers of the poll isnt a bad idea either. Thats fair to, atleast they have a chance.
Making it to a poll will be forgotten in a matter of days. No one who doesnt know these players will care unless they actually see them playing starcraft (and no, they wont go to their streams.)
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UNCjer for protoss! real nice dude, helped me out with my pvp a little while ago. super solid player also
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Sorry but why is spanishiwa even an option? He went 6-1. All-stars typically show up for at least half of their teams games.
I think this should have been done behind closed doors. Its taking what should be a reward for a great season and turning it into a social media and name-recognition contest. And it also includes a lot of people who don't know or give a darn about the csl.
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I think they considered last season performance as well. For example, my performance this season has been absolutely terrible. 0-2 in 1v1, and 1-0 in 2v2.
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On April 12 2012 12:49 whistle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 09:55 noobeater5 wrote:On April 12 2012 09:29 Mario1209 wrote:On April 12 2012 09:18 noobeater5 wrote:Why is a master Protoss with less than 50% win ratio beating a grandmaster?! who would that be? That harmony kid is beating me QQ that's me, a kid who goes to my school heard about this on our CSL team's facebook page and decided to make a script to vote for me "as a prank". not the best prank and not the best decision but that's why I'm "beating" you... I think roughly 70-80 of my votes are fake.
lol shouldn't this be considered cheating?
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Ostojiy, you know why i voted for you
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On April 12 2012 13:06 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 13:01 SniXSniPe wrote:
So why wasn't I included in the Terran group (not that I have any chance to make top 2 =P, much less high at all), when I'm ranked higher from last season (not all of those names were in GM), and have more wins and matches for CSL this season?
Also, HeavensLight FTW, where's his support?
...and does even Spanishiwa ever play much anymore?
Again - the list was an average of 4 different lists from admins.
None of which included my list, because I didn't make one! Redirect your pitchforks!
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Ostojiy just went to reddit and made a post promising people a reward if they voted for him. How is this fair ? Also spanishiwa doesn't play anymore does he ?
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On April 12 2012 13:28 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 13:20 Rebs wrote:On April 12 2012 11:17 Erik.TheRed wrote:On April 12 2012 10:38 stalife wrote:On April 12 2012 10:33 soLremarK wrote:
It'd be cool if there was, instead of the Coordinator vote, an open qualifying tournament for the last two spots. I totally understand that would be a lot of work and admin-hours to run though I think it would be better if the last two slots were chosen from each of the top 2 schools competing in the grand finals of CSL. Makes more sense logistically and at the same time give spots to schools who are well-deserving (obviously by making it to grand finals). Yeah that honestly seems like the best option. That way there is still the chance for an up-and-coming player who didn't make it on this list to still have a shot, and it doesn't require any additional work from CSL admins. And anyway, not all coordinators know all of the players well enough to make it any less of a popularity contest. Just let each finalist pick a player and it's good to go. Yea that makes a fair bit of sense As it is now,the final stage is quite literally a popularity contest. I dont see any other way to describe it. Seems like pulling out mvp performances to win CSL games or lans only gets people on a list that they cant possibly win because they lack TL presence. Up and comers have close to no chance, I think its better to leave them out rather than get their hopes up if a poll vote is the final criteria. To be fair, AFAIK this is how most "all-star" events are done in big sporting leagues (except the NHL which has the most badass schoolyard system). Players are nominated internally and then voted on by the public. Not saying the best players are going to go through, and an open qualification slot would have been nice. Maybe that is what the coordinator vote is for?
They're gonna have to clarify how the "coordinator vote" will go down, but as it stands it feels like it's just going to be a smaller sample of what we already see in the main poll. So rather than just picking the next 2 most popular players, why not throw in a few of the CSL finalists just to see how they match up against the voted players. That would create a cool story line as well, since people will be interested to see if a couple of potential underdogs can hold their own against the most popular.
The addition of a couple qualified players might not be completely in line with what the admins intended, but I believe that it would add value to the tournament from both a spectator and player perspective. And the focus of the tournament is still very much an all-star match, since the community is voting for most of the players.
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On April 12 2012 15:01 Foresteye wrote:
Ostojiy just went to reddit and made a post promising people a reward if they voted for him. How is this fair ? Also spanishiwa doesn't play anymore does he ?
What's stopping anyone else from doing the same?
I like stalife's idea a lot, that'd be fair too. I've always preferred qualifiers to invitationals just because then you remove the popularity factor out of the occasion for the majority of players. Open qualifier for 6 players + 2 popularity contest winners > vice versa imo. Or even just having top 4/6 teams selecting players, etc, etc
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To answer people's questions / concerns:
- SC2 is somewhat different from regular sports: Kobe is only judged based on his NBA performances because there's literally no other leagues for him to participate in. CSL players participating in other events is huge for many reasons and deserves recognition. For example, Stalife has long been one of CSL's best players and has competed in "major" events like MLG's and even advancing through the first few IPL events. YaTa had a really nice run at the most recent MLG, Spanishiwa is one of the most popular players (plus he helped carry Davis to 1st at the CSL Regional LAN). There are good reasons why every player on the lists were chosen.
- Are there other players who should be on the list that aren't? Probably. But we have to cut it off somewhere, and there will always be more people qualified than there are spots. Everyone who applies to a college that is qualified to go doesn't get accepted. Is it unfair? Maybe, but it's also just the reality of the situation. A college can't afford to admit every single qualified student, and we can't have every qualified player in the league in this event for logistical purposes.
- Why not have a qualifier? CSL resources are taxed: running the playoffs, maintaining the website, and planning for the finals is literally full time+++++ work for the few administrators we have. Unfortunately, we are very understaffed and we can't add on more work and realistically expect it to be done well. If we can't run a qualifier tournament fairly and smoothly, it's better to not do it. In the future, as we grow and we have a stronger and larger administrative base - we of course want to look into hosting qualifiers for these types of events since qualifiers are the most objective way to go.
- Why not have a player from each of the final 2 teams participate? This is a good idea and is something we'll consider (we do have a month to decide). So stay tuned for that...
I hope this answers people's questions sufficiently! Please be happy that we are working hard and putting our own money into trying to help our community grow and flourish.
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On April 12 2012 16:41 goswser wrote:
Zerg pool OP
Poor you, switch race to protoss rq for this poll.
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My name is spelled wrong on the poll
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I vote selbon, best protoss. ez
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^.^ i endorse qxc, he's a good friend of mine ^.^
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On April 12 2012 15:01 Foresteye wrote:
Ostojiy just went to reddit and made a post promising people a reward if they voted for him. How is this fair ? Also spanishiwa doesn't play anymore does he ?
How is it unfair? It's a popularity contest, if it was based on results it would be an invite, if it was based on skill it would be a qualifier. On paper I have the best results of this group, so take of that what you will...
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Jer needs to rep that toss and NC.
NC FIGHTING!
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On April 12 2012 21:49 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 15:01 Foresteye wrote:
Ostojiy just went to reddit and made a post promising people a reward if they voted for him. How is this fair ? Also spanishiwa doesn't play anymore does he ? How is it unfair? It's a popularity contest, if it was based on results it would be an invite, if it was based on skill it would be a qualifier. On paper I have the best results of this group, so take of that what you will...
You deserve it based on the criteria of CSL, tournament results, and ladder. I just don't think Spanishiwa does, but name recognition and being the first to tap into reddit will be the only 2 criteria that decide this unfortunately.
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There will be similar events in the future, so this isn't the end all be all event for up and coming players. The ultimate goal is to have regular events such as this so we can showcase the entire talent pool in the CSL. It'll just take one event at a time.
It's good to know that there are ace players from all over NA with a very strong community backing. It's a bigger incentive to focus on events that can highlight individual players as well.
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It's a matter of money, so it's definitely important to the teams and players.
I wish the coordinators and the community was involved earlier in the process -- sucks that our #1 seeded team has not even a single player represented in the poll.
Smells funny that's all.
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On April 13 2012 09:40 rbkl wrote:
It's a matter of money, so it's definitely important to the teams and players.
I wish the coordinators and the community was involved earlier in the process -- sucks that our #1 seeded team has not even a single player represented in the poll.
Smells funny that's all.
IU has some good players that should have been on this list, such as giX and Murder - but they've not played at all in the CSL this season, and as far as we are aware, giX took a leave of absence from school to live in the Reign house (which is also why TriMaster is not included in this poll).
Again, as we've said before - not everyone can be happy with the # of selections. We do try our best to make as many people happy as possible!
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yea, and who the hell is uncjer.. i don't understand why people have to cheat the polls, lets just have a quick online qualifier for this tournament with 10 people from each race...
edit: and i just keep refreshing every 5 seconds and that guy gets one more vote, there's a bug where you can vote over and over again on your phone by refreshing the page....
you guys really should dq the cheaters..
edit: you can't see this post at all without logging in, but........ you can log out and just copy n paste the address and vote ^.^... big big bug :D
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We're going to be investigating this
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The VOTE until May 5 are too long. There'll be too much time for cheater to get around the system.
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o_o who is UNCjer and how does a mid masters player have more votes then GM players like yata,caliberlight,cuhz,hellokitty,etc. at least the other races votes are somewhat legit in skill to a certain extent. protoss votes are.... lol
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We should dq the votes, and not dq the player unless the player involved.
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Hey guys, I am UNCjer (I name changed somewhere in season 4 or so).
To verify, I'm a high level master player hoping to get in GM pretty soon but school has been holding me back recently mainly because my major is ridiculously hard for me. (Insert math class QQ here)
I feel like this tournament would be a great way to get my name out there in the Starcraft 2 community as I plan on trying to play professionally on a team after I graduate from college.
And as for my votes increasing, I have a lot of friends (and family) that want to see me make it into this event because they feel like I really have what it takes to play with some of these high level players. I've done nothing to cheat the voting system or anything stupid like that, just asked that my friends all over the country to vote for me so I can have this opportunity to play live instead of sitting around waiting for MLG to come to the eastern US during the summer again.
EDIT: Also, GO TARHEELS SC2! WOOO! Who needs national basketball championships when you can play in national CSL tournaments! We're coming for you guys next year in CSL, watch yo backs.
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UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred.
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the fact that Non-registered users are allowed to vote is wrong. and they should only be TL users for more than a week to be able to vote. it's retarded how a popularity Contest that's Not amongst the community is playing such a huge role in a 5000 dollar tournament.
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Another voter for UNCJer here!
I've never heard of those other, but it sounds like you aren't hyping your favorite enough.
Jerred is an informative streamer and solid player. You should vote for him
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I don't really see how it's that bad. The same thing happens in other all star games in other sports (as has already been mentioned).
This is getting a lot of people who don't follow the e-sports scene really hyped that a fellow student could play in the all star game. People who had no idea the CSL or high-level SC2 even existed are getting pumped. I think that's amazing for the game.
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Noobeater, doesn't that make it more of a popularity contest? A player like myself who is supported by non-necessarily Starcraft playing students at UNC (maybe just fans of our team) would just straight up lose to any professional player on the list. I think allowing only team liquid members to vote makes it more of a popularity contest and the professional players who are already recognized by the community would automatically win.
Not many people know me in the Starcraft 2 community right now. That doesn't mean that I'm terrible at the game or I'm not deserving of playing in this tournament.... In fact, isn't that what this tournament (and the CSL in general) is all about? Up and coming players in universities who don't yet have the opportunity to have a following in the SC2 community or have the chance to join a professional team?
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On April 13 2012 11:07 RunnerJimbob wrote:
UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred.
To be borderline GM you'd have to be #1 ranked masters + top 50 rank masters in the whole NA + getting -12 +12 pts in match history vs GM players; UNCjer does not have those stats no offense.
I think the players who have no TLPD record / ELO rank in TL should have less of a chance of winning then players who win/get far in huge tourneys. The only players I see on the protoss voting list that are TLPD wins are Yata, Caliber, CUHZ, and eXo,
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Also, I could be wrong but aren't there a fair number of lurkers on the site that visit TL regularly but don't post and thus don't have an account? Not letting people vote because they aren't TL members is elitist and anti-community. I agree with Jerred, the point of the event is to bring people into the community and showcase lesser known players then only letting the TL regulars vote completely defeats the purpose of the event.
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Actually, I was a 1300 point master league player last season about 2 weeks before the season ended. I think you can see that on SC2ranks.com :D
And I'll be top in my master league division this season as soon as I finish this 10 page paper that's due tomorrow. T.T lol.
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On April 13 2012 11:23 JDM.s2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:07 RunnerJimbob wrote:
UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred. To be borderline GM you'd have to be #1 ranked masters + top 50 rank masters in the whole NA + getting -12 +12 pts in match history vs GM players; UNCjer does not have those stats no offense. I think the players who have no TLPD record / ELO rank in TL should have less of a chance of winning then players who win/get far in huge tourneys. The only players I see on the protoss voting list that are TLPD wins are Yata, Caliber, CUHZ, and eXo,
I did say at times. This season, he doesn't have that, I gotcha. He has beaten GMs in the past, such as Inca, Incontrol, White-Ra, Pandan, Painuser, Future, HongunPrime, etc. I saw him get matched against IdrA just the other day (don't know how that turned out).
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^ I lost to Idra pretty badly, not my best showing. lol xD
But yea, I think I'm quite capable of making GM or beating more high level pros if I had more time to practice (such as during the summer when this tournament occurs). :D
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On April 13 2012 11:24 JZappa wrote:
Also, I could be wrong but aren't there a fair number of lurkers on the site that visit TL regularly but don't post and thus don't have an account? Not letting people vote because they aren't TL members is elitist and anti-community. I agree with Jerred, the point of the event is to bring people into the community and showcase lesser known players then only letting the TL regulars vote completely defeats the purpose of the event.
<-- Not a lurker and also guilty of voting for Jerred :D
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On April 13 2012 11:07 TheGODehT wrote:Hey guys, I am UNCjer (I name changed somewhere in season 4 or so). To verify, I'm a high level master player hoping to get in GM pretty soon but school has been holding me back recently mainly because my major is ridiculously hard for me. (Insert math class QQ here) I feel like this tournament would be a great way to get my name out there in the Starcraft 2 community as I plan on trying to play professionally on a team after I graduate from college. And as for my votes increasing, I have a lot of friends (and family) that want to see me make it into this event because they feel like I really have what it takes to play with some of these high level players. I've done nothing to cheat the voting system or anything stupid like that, just asked that my friends all over the country to vote for me so I can have this opportunity to play live instead of sitting around waiting for MLG to come to the eastern US during the summer again. EDIT: Also, GO TARHEELS SC2! WOOO! Who needs national basketball championships when you can play in national CSL tournaments! We're coming for you guys next year in CSL, watch yo backs.
unc csl manager here, confirming: uncjer(jerred "macdaddy" miklowcic) in charge of carrying the team.
Seriously though, he has a lot of fans here, from friends and people watching our games streamed. It isn't undeserved, he has (I think) the longest win streak in CSL history this season. I'm not sure it's fair to complain that he is doing very well in the poll, as we've been putting so much time into building the community here that number looks reasonable to me. If the tournament were going to use ladder rank to pick players, they wouldn't bother polling at all.
Obviously if someone is tampering the votes, it should be fixed but the number I see (~330) looks reasonable. If he's made a vote bot, it's of really poor quality. I've seen/helped him with CS homework in the past, and it isn't THAT awful. Just close.
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On April 13 2012 11:26 RunnerJimbob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:23 JDM.s2000 wrote:On April 13 2012 11:07 RunnerJimbob wrote:
UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred. To be borderline GM you'd have to be #1 ranked masters + top 50 rank masters in the whole NA + getting -12 +12 pts in match history vs GM players; UNCjer does not have those stats no offense. I think the players who have no TLPD record / ELO rank in TL should have less of a chance of winning then players who win/get far in huge tourneys. The only players I see on the protoss voting list that are TLPD wins are Yata, Caliber, CUHZ, and eXo, I did say at times. This season, he doesn't have that, I gotcha. He has beaten GMs in the past, such as Inca, Incontrol, White-Ra, Pandan, Painuser, Future, HongunPrime, etc. I saw him get matched against IdrA just the other day (don't know how that turned out).
Anyone can get matched vs idra if searching at the right time; it all depends how many pts you Lose when you lose; or how many pts idra Wins when he beats u that determines how close of an MMR u have with him.
and UNCjer was 1190 pts last season with about 250/250 games win/lose 50% win ratio. not 1300. nd Borderline GM level is 1350-1400 pts last season (not including mass games)
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I personally believe the best games will be castes by the most brilliant players, and still stand with the fact that we should have a tournament for the spots rather than a silly community voting system. Regarding to tl posters being able to vote, it's for the benefitof the community, forcing people to make accounts in order to participate, what's wrong with that? Dont micromanage my post and look at the bigger picture. Getting people to JOIN and possibly PARTICIPATE is the ultimate goal.
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On April 13 2012 11:33 JDM.s2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:26 RunnerJimbob wrote:On April 13 2012 11:23 JDM.s2000 wrote:On April 13 2012 11:07 RunnerJimbob wrote:
UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred. To be borderline GM you'd have to be #1 ranked masters + top 50 rank masters in the whole NA + getting -12 +12 pts in match history vs GM players; UNCjer does not have those stats no offense. I think the players who have no TLPD record / ELO rank in TL should have less of a chance of winning then players who win/get far in huge tourneys. The only players I see on the protoss voting list that are TLPD wins are Yata, Caliber, CUHZ, and eXo, I did say at times. This season, he doesn't have that, I gotcha. He has beaten GMs in the past, such as Inca, Incontrol, White-Ra, Pandan, Painuser, Future, HongunPrime, etc. I saw him get matched against IdrA just the other day (don't know how that turned out). Anyone can get matched vs idra if searching at the right time; it all depends how many pts you Lose when you lose; or how many pts idra Wins when he beats u that determines how close of an MMR u have with him. and UNCjer was 1190 pts last season with about 250/250 games win/lose 50% win ratio. not 1300. nd Borderline GM level is 1350-1400 pts last season (not including mass games)
His rating occasionally swings due to things outside his control which we won't go into here, but he was 1300 at one point in the season.
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On April 13 2012 11:23 JDM.s2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:07 RunnerJimbob wrote:
UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred. To be borderline GM you'd have to be #1 ranked masters + top 50 rank masters in the whole NA + getting -12 +12 pts in match history vs GM players; UNCjer does not have those stats no offense. I think the players who have no TLPD record / ELO rank in TL should have less of a chance of winning then players who win/get far in huge tourneys. The only players I see on the protoss voting list that are TLPD wins are Yata, Caliber, CUHZ, and eXo,
Jerred went 17-3 this CSL season. Yata went 11-3. CUHZ went 13-4. eXo went 12-2. Caliber went 6-3.
Should we really discount someone because they don't have a couple of losses in a Go4SC2 cup listed?
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UNCjer was 1190 pts last season. not 1300. nd Borderline GM level is 1350-1400 pts last season (not including mass games)
Well actually if you go to sc2ranks you can see that Jerred got up to 1250 midway through the season when he was playing frequently and was right around being a top 50 masters player.
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On April 13 2012 11:33 JDM.s2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:26 RunnerJimbob wrote:On April 13 2012 11:23 JDM.s2000 wrote:On April 13 2012 11:07 RunnerJimbob wrote:
UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred. To be borderline GM you'd have to be #1 ranked masters + top 50 rank masters in the whole NA + getting -12 +12 pts in match history vs GM players; UNCjer does not have those stats no offense. I think the players who have no TLPD record / ELO rank in TL should have less of a chance of winning then players who win/get far in huge tourneys. The only players I see on the protoss voting list that are TLPD wins are Yata, Caliber, CUHZ, and eXo, I did say at times. This season, he doesn't have that, I gotcha. He has beaten GMs in the past, such as Inca, Incontrol, White-Ra, Pandan, Painuser, Future, HongunPrime, etc. I saw him get matched against IdrA just the other day (don't know how that turned out). Anyone can get matched vs idra if searching at the right time; it all depends how many pts you Lose when you lose; or how many pts idra Wins when he beats u that determines how close of an MMR u have with him. and UNCjer was 1190 pts last season with about 250/250 games win/lose 50% win ratio. not 1300. nd Borderline GM level is 1350-1400 pts last season (not including mass games)
At the end of the season, yes, he was 1190. He did say 2 weeks prior to that. And just being paired against that number of GMs...well I thought that was decent (the number is much higher than I listed). I'm all for UNCJer, and I really believe he deserves the shot.
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Yea, and we're all paired up with Gms as well ^.^ I personally made friends with tsl_hyun and ogsvines due to the numerous encounters I've had with them ^.^
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nm, i just learnt how TLPD works, listed as Dime either way.
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On April 13 2012 11:37 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:33 JDM.s2000 wrote:On April 13 2012 11:26 RunnerJimbob wrote:On April 13 2012 11:23 JDM.s2000 wrote:On April 13 2012 11:07 RunnerJimbob wrote:
UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred. To be borderline GM you'd have to be #1 ranked masters + top 50 rank masters in the whole NA + getting -12 +12 pts in match history vs GM players; UNCjer does not have those stats no offense. I think the players who have no TLPD record / ELO rank in TL should have less of a chance of winning then players who win/get far in huge tourneys. The only players I see on the protoss voting list that are TLPD wins are Yata, Caliber, CUHZ, and eXo, I did say at times. This season, he doesn't have that, I gotcha. He has beaten GMs in the past, such as Inca, Incontrol, White-Ra, Pandan, Painuser, Future, HongunPrime, etc. I saw him get matched against IdrA just the other day (don't know how that turned out). Anyone can get matched vs idra if searching at the right time; it all depends how many pts you Lose when you lose; or how many pts idra Wins when he beats u that determines how close of an MMR u have with him. and UNCjer was 1190 pts last season with about 250/250 games win/lose 50% win ratio. not 1300. nd Borderline GM level is 1350-1400 pts last season (not including mass games) His rating occasionally swings due to things outside his control which we won't go into here, but he was 1300 at one point in the season.
well lookin at his sc2ranks / career history; i see a lot of rank 7 masters, and rank 1,100+ region in a lot of seasons; I'm just saying a lot of people say they are "borderline GM" when they actually don't know what borderline GM really means.
swinging from 1300 pts to 1200 pts means you reached your real MMR to pts indicator. Some players go on a win streak, cheese and get easy wins, then get higher mmr, then lose to the new players because their true skill isnt the same as their current Pts; so they lose and get placed in their actual pts/mmr area that they belong in; It's kind of hard to get GM with 50% win ratio and a lot of games played; Just throwing that out there.
And to post wins/ losses in CSL record; You have to take account into the players they played; Some players played easy players hence maybe got lucky with what order they were put in line up; while others had tuff opponents every week.
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On April 13 2012 11:39 AsherSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 11:23 JDM.s2000 wrote:On April 13 2012 11:07 RunnerJimbob wrote:
UNCJer is certainly not cheating. He and his buddies (self included) have been going around campus/facebook and getting whoever we know to vote. UNCJer is actually borderline GM at times, though his current season record does not show it. He was a star in the CSL, being UNC's carrying player a lot of the time. There is no foul play for Jerred. To be borderline GM you'd have to be #1 ranked masters + top 50 rank masters in the whole NA + getting -12 +12 pts in match history vs GM players; UNCjer does not have those stats no offense. I think the players who have no TLPD record / ELO rank in TL should have less of a chance of winning then players who win/get far in huge tourneys. The only players I see on the protoss voting list that are TLPD wins are Yata, Caliber, CUHZ, and eXo, Jerred went 17-3 this CSL season. Yata went 11-3. CUHZ went 13-4. eXo went 12-2. Caliber went 6-3. Should we really discount someone because they don't have a couple of losses in a Go4SC2 cup listed?
UNCjer really deserves the vote based on his fantastic CSL performance. There are many "star" players who don't bother with CSL and just shows up few times. Kudos to him
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JDM, I had an extremely bad losing streak at the end of the season so yes, I was 1190 at the end of the season. I go on tilt a lot on ladder. If you look at the rank over time graphs you can see that I was indeed at 1300 points about 2 weeks before the end of the season.
Also, thanks for that stalife, coming from an outstanding player such as yourself that really means a lot.
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And to post wins/ losses in CSL record; You have to take account into the players they played; Some players played easy players hence maybe got lucky with what order they were put in line up; while others had tuff opponents every week.
Uh wait isn't this the CSL All-Star tournament? Shouldn't it be based on CSL performance more than anything else?
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On April 13 2012 11:45 TheGODehT wrote:JDM, I had an extremely bad losing streak at the end of the season so yes, I was 1190 at the end of the season. I go on tilt a lot on ladder. If you look at the rank over time graphs you can see that I was indeed at 1300 points about 2 weeks before the end of the season.
if you did go on a big losing streak at end of season; your new record this season should be outstanding; but it isnt; I'm not hating I'm just stating facts about what it means to be Borderline GM and not everyone can throw it out there and say that they are GM (when they never were) and brag about it.
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JDM, he didn't bring it up. I was the one who mentioned it. That was me. I still believe he was borderline, sure on the lower side of borderline, but borderline. With a little bit more time, I think he could've made it, but dudeman has such a rough schedule.
All of that said, the main reason I posted was to say that UNCJer is absolutely not cheating, in no way and in no form. That's the main point of all of this. The rest of it is just defending that he is an outstanding player.
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On April 13 2012 11:51 RunnerJimbob wrote:
JDM, he didn't bring it up. I was the one who mentioned it. That was me. I still believe he was borderline, sure on the lower side of borderline, but borderline. With a little bit more time, I think he could've made it, but dudeman has such a rough schedule.
All of that said, the main reason I posted was to say that UNCJer is absolutely not cheating, in no way and in no form. That's the main point of all of this. The rest of it is just defending that he is an outstanding player.
ah ok my mistake; but yeah I guess this CSL thing is more of a spam / get ppl to spam popularity vote rather then actual skill/performance in the sc2 scence. ahh well i just hope the best players deserve to get sent to play to put on a great show.
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Regardless, the csl staff people are going to investigate this event. Let's keep this thread clean of drama.
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Yea, good call noobeater. Good luck to everyone involved, and hopefully I'll get the chance to play with you guys in June!
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I just realized iMpEndymion isn't on this ballot for zerg o.o. #1 ELO on CSL page (which to be fair is from last season and not updated), 13-0 this season for his school, which happens to be 15-2 as well. Guess he just doesn't have much name recognition
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We will be investigating any potential vote fraud. In this case it doesn't look like it based on preliminary looking into it. We do really love the fact that people are rallying their communities and friends behind their favorite players, this is exactly what we hoped to achieve with this!
We also have other good news to announce regarding the All Stars this weekend!
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On April 13 2012 11:58 CollegiateStarleague wrote:
We will be investigating any potential vote fraud. In this case it doesn't look like it based on preliminary looking into it. We do really love the fact that people are rallying their communities and friends behind their favorite players, this is exactly what we hoped to achieve with this!
We also have other good news to announce regarding the All Stars this weekend!
Announcements announcing announcements are really cruel ~_~
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Lurker here. I'd like to offer my input:
CSL is a great way to involve many people within the E-sports world. Here at UNC, we try to get streams of the CSL games running if the opposing team allows it, and we advertise the streams and generally try to get people to watch the games as we would basketball.
Jerred (UNCjer) is the one who brought many of us into the E-sports world. We have our own E-sports club and hold monthly LAN events with Starcraft as one of the main draws, sometimes getting visitors from as far as Asheville, NC (over 3.5 hours away!)
Also, glhf to everyone working on any assignments!
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Jerred (UNCJer) definitely deserves this. He's a great, strategic, smart player, and a good guy in general.
I think the player chosen should be based on popularity in addition to raw skills - that is the point of an all-star tournament is it not?
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On April 13 2012 12:18 ItsYoungLee wrote:
Jerred (UNCJer) definitely deserves this. He's a great, strategic, smart player, and a good guy in general.
I think the player chosen should be based on popularity in addition to raw skills - that is the point of an all-star tournament is it not?
Raw skill - lets have a quick mini tournament
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On April 13 2012 12:19 noobeater5 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 12:18 ItsYoungLee wrote:
Jerred (UNCJer) definitely deserves this. He's a great, strategic, smart player, and a good guy in general.
I think the player chosen should be based on popularity in addition to raw skills - that is the point of an all-star tournament is it not? Raw skill - lets have a quick mini tournament
Tournament winner will be determined by votes, go!
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Please continue to leave your support and feedback we will do the best we can and make the process as fair as possible...above all, we want to give our collegiate players a chance at showcasing their talents outside the team league and also in the spotlight that's ever-so-hard to reach as a college student.
Vote vote vote! I approve of political campaigns, too. Great way to pass on SC2 love to the community.
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On April 13 2012 12:49 hazelynut wrote:Please continue to leave your support and feedback we will do the best we can and make the process as fair as possible...above all, we want to give our collegiate players a chance at showcasing their talents outside the team league and also in the spotlight that's ever-so-hard to reach as a college student. Vote vote vote! I approve of political campaigns, too. Great way to pass on SC2 love to the community.
Okay, can we please get pyrotechnics at the LAN?
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On April 13 2012 13:06 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 12:49 hazelynut wrote:Please continue to leave your support and feedback we will do the best we can and make the process as fair as possible...above all, we want to give our collegiate players a chance at showcasing their talents outside the team league and also in the spotlight that's ever-so-hard to reach as a college student. Vote vote vote! I approve of political campaigns, too. Great way to pass on SC2 love to the community. Okay, can we please get pyrotechnics at the LAN?
Gimme money
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On April 13 2012 13:06 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 12:49 hazelynut wrote:Please continue to leave your support and feedback we will do the best we can and make the process as fair as possible...above all, we want to give our collegiate players a chance at showcasing their talents outside the team league and also in the spotlight that's ever-so-hard to reach as a college student. Vote vote vote! I approve of political campaigns, too. Great way to pass on SC2 love to the community. Okay, can we please get pyrotechnics at the LAN?
i will set ur computer on fire thx
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Wasn't expecting such a hostile reaction to my suggestion (GSL does it). I'll settle on hazelynut in a hydralisk costume and strobe lights.
...or at least a disco ball?
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HELLO KITTY MY BOY GONNA DO WORK.
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On April 13 2012 13:28 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
Wasn't expecting such a hostile reaction to my suggestion (GSL does it). I'll settle on hazelynut in a hydralisk costume and strobe lights.
...or at least a disco ball?
Perhaps if you beg people on reddit you can get what you want
; )
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Sorry if it's already been asked but is there any chance of an open qualifier being added to this? Obviously CSL wants the most well-known players competing for bigger viewership but it just seems kind of illegitimate to have an all star tournament with such a limited player pool.
I also remember a post-season tournament last year where each team was given two player slots, any chance of that coming back?
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On April 14 2012 05:46 Swagasaurus wrote:
Sorry if it's already been asked but is there any chance of an open qualifier being added to this? Obviously CSL wants the most well-known players competing for bigger viewership but it just seems kind of illegitimate to have an all star tournament with such a limited player pool.
I also remember a post-season tournament last year where each team was given two player slots, any chance of that coming back?
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On April 12 2012 16:12 Xeris wrote:
- Why not have a qualifier? CSL resources are taxed: running the playoffs, maintaining the website, and planning for the finals is literally full time+++++ work for the few administrators we have. Unfortunately, we are very understaffed and we can't add on more work and realistically expect it to be done well. If we can't run a qualifier tournament fairly and smoothly, it's better to not do it. In the future, as we grow and we have a stronger and larger administrative base - we of course want to look into hosting qualifiers for these types of events since qualifiers are the most objective way to go.
- Why not have a player from each of the final 2 teams participate? This is a good idea and is something we'll consider (we do have a month to decide). So stay tuned for that...
I hope this answers people's questions sufficiently! Please be happy that we are working hard and putting our own money into trying to help our community grow and flourish.
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Can I ask why allow what is essentially professional players to compete in this side tournament? I believe CSL is an opportunity to develop and discover talent. Being on a professional team takes away from the opportunity of unknown and unsponsored players to make a name for themselves.
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On April 14 2012 08:56 Eventine wrote:
Can I ask why allow what is essentially professional players to compete in this side tournament? I believe CSL is an opportunity to develop and discover talent. Being on a professional team takes away from the opportunity of unknown and unsponsored players to make a name for themselves.
All the players are in the CSL and compete in the league and play a large part in their schools' success...
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On April 14 2012 09:00 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 08:56 Eventine wrote:
Can I ask why allow what is essentially professional players to compete in this side tournament? I believe CSL is an opportunity to develop and discover talent. Being on a professional team takes away from the opportunity of unknown and unsponsored players to make a name for themselves. All the players are in the CSL and compete in the league and play a large part in their schools' success...
I agree.
I guess i meant CSL as a whole, not solely this tournament. Perhaps its the whole student athlete idea, but I guess in my personal opinion I'd prefer a CSL in which on players on non-sponsored team would compete.
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On April 14 2012 09:24 Eventine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 09:00 Xeris wrote:On April 14 2012 08:56 Eventine wrote:
Can I ask why allow what is essentially professional players to compete in this side tournament? I believe CSL is an opportunity to develop and discover talent. Being on a professional team takes away from the opportunity of unknown and unsponsored players to make a name for themselves. All the players are in the CSL and compete in the league and play a large part in their schools' success... I agree. I guess i meant CSL as a whole, not solely this tournament. Perhaps its the whole student athlete idea, but I guess in my personal opinion I'd prefer a CSL in which on players on non-sponsored team would compete.
Here's the true, behind the scenes answer. Having sponsored professional players play in a CSL tournament will bring CSL more publicity than if some unknowns play in it. This decision could be justified because more publicity for CSL will be good for everyone in the CSL. More publicity could lead to greating funding from sponsors in the future.
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On April 14 2012 14:21 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 09:24 Eventine wrote:On April 14 2012 09:00 Xeris wrote:On April 14 2012 08:56 Eventine wrote:
Can I ask why allow what is essentially professional players to compete in this side tournament? I believe CSL is an opportunity to develop and discover talent. Being on a professional team takes away from the opportunity of unknown and unsponsored players to make a name for themselves. All the players are in the CSL and compete in the league and play a large part in their schools' success... I agree. I guess i meant CSL as a whole, not solely this tournament. Perhaps its the whole student athlete idea, but I guess in my personal opinion I'd prefer a CSL in which on players on non-sponsored team would compete. Here's the true, behind the scenes answer. Having sponsored professional players play in a CSL tournament will bring CSL more publicity than if some unknowns play in it. This decision could be justified because more publicity for CSL will be good for everyone in the CSL. More publicity could lead to greating funding from sponsors in the future.
This is a behind the scenes answer ? Its common sense.
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if that's the justification, then why not invite in full time pro players? I'm sure flying in Sheth, violet, select, scarlett, catz, axslav, and any other players living in NA right now (to fit the budget I guess) with big fan-base.. It would be better use of money if the goal is to get more publicity for CSL.
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On April 14 2012 14:28 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 14:21 T.O.P. wrote:On April 14 2012 09:24 Eventine wrote:On April 14 2012 09:00 Xeris wrote:On April 14 2012 08:56 Eventine wrote:
Can I ask why allow what is essentially professional players to compete in this side tournament? I believe CSL is an opportunity to develop and discover talent. Being on a professional team takes away from the opportunity of unknown and unsponsored players to make a name for themselves. All the players are in the CSL and compete in the league and play a large part in their schools' success... I agree. I guess i meant CSL as a whole, not solely this tournament. Perhaps its the whole student athlete idea, but I guess in my personal opinion I'd prefer a CSL in which on players on non-sponsored team would compete. Here's the true, behind the scenes answer. Having sponsored professional players play in a CSL tournament will bring CSL more publicity than if some unknowns play in it. This decision could be justified because more publicity for CSL will be good for everyone in the CSL. More publicity could lead to greating funding from sponsors in the future. This is a behind the scenes answer ? Its common sense.
Some people are naive/innocent bro.
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This argument is dumb. Its the effing Collegiate Starleague. As in the requirements are that you go to college and are in the league. Any other status you may have as a player is moot. Sheesh
On April 14 2012 08:56 Eventine wrote:
I believe CSL is an opportunity to develop and discover talent. Being on a professional team takes away from the opportunity of unknown and unsponsored players to make a name for themselves.
No it doesn't. It enhances the opportunity.
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On April 14 2012 15:16 stalife wrote:
if that's the justification, then why not invite in full time pro players? I'm sure flying in Sheth, violet, select, scarlett, catz, axslav, and any other players living in NA right now (to fit the budget I guess) with big fan-base.. It would be better use of money if the goal is to get more publicity for CSL.
because...they aren't in college? >___>;
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On April 15 2012 08:54 Xeris wrote:
Keep votin!
Ive already spammed my whole skype / battle.net list enough no more friends to vote for me lol =D
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^_________^
Obviously this means you need to get out there and make more friends.
And then tell them to vote
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On April 15 2012 09:42 CuHz wrote:Ive already spammed my whole skype / battle.net list enough no more friends to vote for me lol =D
You know where to post if you really want to win.
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We're going to host a qualifying tournament for the 2 of the spots. We'll announce it tomorrow!
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CuHz, QXC, Mystik -- SoCal FiGHTING!
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No random representative? UCI has a top 16 random GM
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If you were listening to the stream, gensulitor just promised to quit his life if he got voted in
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On April 17 2012 03:05 KarneEspada wrote:No random representative? UCI has a top 16 random GM
yeah i have a feeling they totally forgot about random players...
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On April 16 2012 09:02 Xeris wrote:
We're going to host a qualifying tournament for the 2 of the spots. We'll announce it tomorrow!
Only CSL players I would assume?
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On April 17 2012 16:19 goswser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 09:02 Xeris wrote:
We're going to host a qualifying tournament for the 2 of the spots. We'll announce it tomorrow!
Only CSL players I would assume?
Yes
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On April 12 2012 22:56 sambo400 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 21:49 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:On April 12 2012 15:01 Foresteye wrote:
Ostojiy just went to reddit and made a post promising people a reward if they voted for him. How is this fair ? Also spanishiwa doesn't play anymore does he ? How is it unfair? It's a popularity contest, if it was based on results it would be an invite, if it was based on skill it would be a qualifier. On paper I have the best results of this group, so take of that what you will... You deserve it based on the criteria of CSL, tournament results, and ladder. I just don't think Spanishiwa does, but name recognition and being the first to tap into reddit will be the only 2 criteria that decide this unfortunately.
I have to agree with this man here. Spanishiwa hasn't played in a while and has been somewhat out of touch with the UC Davis CSL group on campus. Not that it is a bad thing, in fact I'm happy for him that he is staying busy at school. However, IMO players should be admitted based on their results in CSL and their activity in CSL - NOT, as said above, based on their activity on reddit.
I don't know if that's the case, but I DO know that there are some players with really high win rates that also have a lot of votes so I'm not sure if there actually is any kind of problem...
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Hopefully everyone will be happy with this development! We will be having a tournament for the final 2 spots in the All Stars tournament. Make sure your team signs up players!!
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Really nice move by CSL! I'm sure that the qualifier will add a whole layer of awesome to this tournament.
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thats such a awesome idea.
too bad it is the same date as an upcoming huge socal lan where many socal CSL teams top players attend. theres no way to change the date to a saturday or friday or another week? regardless tho Xeris much respect for this and opening the CSL scholarship thing.
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On April 19 2012 09:03 CuHz wrote:thats such a awesome idea. too bad it is the same date as an upcoming huge socal lan where many socal CSL teams top players attend. theres no way to change the date to a saturday or friday or another week? regardless tho Xeris much respect for this and opening the CSL scholarship thing.
Unfortunately this isn't possible ... there's way too many things coming up , we don't have other dates~~
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should I play in the qualifier or am I in from the voting?
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On April 19 2012 12:31 qxc wrote:
should I play in the qualifier or am I in from the voting?
No - you are in from the vote so you don't need to play the qualifier (most likely... unless someone gets 10000 votes in the next 2 weeks?).
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Should I play in it just in case I don't win the votes? >.<
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If you're not in the top 2 of the vote - you're free to play
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On April 20 2012 06:39 Xeris wrote:
If you're not in the top 2 of the vote - you're free to play
Hmm... well he's currently #1, but only 220 votes from #3 o.o Protoss bracket so close.
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So far only 16 players have signed up for the tournament ... I did this for you all who wanted a qualifier and now you're not signing up *push push*
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Do your finals end in the first week of may or the last week of april in most U.S universities? Because the 29th
of April is about the worst date you could set for that qualifier if it's the first week of may.
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On April 21 2012 02:35 KingDime wrote:
Do your finals end in the first week of may or the last week of april in most U.S universities? Because the 29th
of April is about the worst date you could set for that qualifier if it's the first week of may.
Unfortunately there are literally 0 other weekends we could host it.
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how I feel when I get +1 vote
![[image loading]](http://www.wordans.com/wordansfiles/images/2011/12/23/114172/114172_340.jpg?1324694763)
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^ Same here. Haha... just refreshed from yesterday and saw one more vote. So happy. lol
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lololol !
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On April 21 2012 03:01 stalife wrote:how I feel when I get +1 vote
i lol'd. and i agree^^
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I'll be out there at the LAN area streaming that place as well. See you there!
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well.. binski heavens and i just got walkovered tt
apparently we thought it was at 1pm pst
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On April 30 2012 04:59 Caliber wrote:
well.. binski heavens and i just got walkovered tt
apparently we thought it was at 1pm pst
Xeris is your manager.. - _ -
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On April 30 2012 06:46 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 04:59 Caliber wrote:
well.. binski heavens and i just got walkovered tt
apparently we thought it was at 1pm pst Xeris is your manager.. - _ -
lol <3 someone talk to me on raidcall.
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On April 30 2012 06:46 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 04:59 Caliber wrote:
well.. binski heavens and i just got walkovered tt
apparently we thought it was at 1pm pst Xeris is your manager.. - _ -
I told them like 500 times =[
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Next time can you guys not change your plans on a whim and make players play this arbitrary tournament that overlaps with multiple other qualifiers and finals for a ton of schools? The original plans were fine.
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GRATS Mkengyn,
Do Calgary proud in the finals!!!
Severely underrated but damn im so happy that he has the opportunity to go to the finals.
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congrats mkengyn,
he is quite underrated since he didn't even get listed as a top 10 zerg here.
Recently took out StrobeLight, KawaiiLight and BinskiLight in the IGN team leauge qualifiers from xsix vs Light.
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Congrats to Fitzyhere and other guy for winning the invitational. It was an amazing 5 game series. Is there somewhere I can watch the VOD's?.
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Looks like the poll is pretty much set. Hoping UNCjer and hellokitty go far! It's great, they're both fellow protosses, UNCjer is from my university, and hellokitty is from my team!
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So where can we get more info on this event? Need to plan travel methods and other stuff. >.<
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Sick Spanishiwa doesn't even play Sc2 but he has an invite now! At least we will get to see some interesting builds which he hasn't practiced for 8 months!
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On May 07 2012 02:02 goswser wrote:
Sick Spanishiwa doesn't even play Sc2 but he has an invite now! At least we will get to see some interesting builds which he hasn't practiced for 8 months!
This isn't even true.. don't know why people keep spreading this. Anyway, goodluck graduating from col academy or whatever it is you're doing; you're one of the better colacad players I've seen (not kidding), hope you do well!
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On May 07 2012 02:02 goswser wrote:
Sick Spanishiwa doesn't even play Sc2 but he has an invite now! At least we will get to see some interesting builds which he hasn't practiced for 8 months!
Span played well at the UC Davis LAN this past weekend, even took out State 2-0. Looks like he still plays to me
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On May 07 2012 02:02 goswser wrote:
Sick Spanishiwa doesn't even play Sc2 but he has an invite now! At least we will get to see some interesting builds which he hasn't practiced for 8 months!
damn man dont have to sound so bitter, its pretty impressive you got third in this for a coLacademy member... i'd be happy if i was you!!!!
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Who all will be in the BYOC area playing?
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lol, why is the stipen only 200 T.T
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gimme a million dollars and I'll pay for all ur travel :p
I'd also like to add the IEM, which is a multimillion dollar company, only pays $400 in travel stipend to attend its events. We do the best we can, but I unfortunately can't afford more T_T! As soon as I can do so, I will :D
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so what is going to happen if the All stars can't make it to the event?
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On May 11 2012 05:57 uberism wrote:
so what is going to happen if the All stars can't make it to the event?
4 CSL teams will be in attendance for the live grand finals of the CSL, maybe teams will send a representative to fill in
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On May 11 2012 06:15 JiYan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 05:57 uberism wrote:
so what is going to happen if the All stars can't make it to the event? 4 CSL teams will be in attendance for the live grand finals of the CSL, maybe teams will send a representative to fill in
But how will the 4 teams afford to send their players to the grand finals?
I think some of the prize pool should be used to ensure that the players are able to make it.
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any stipend at all is awesome.
I come from bw where a stipend was like some kind of polkadotted zebra.
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On May 11 2012 14:52 iNcontroL wrote:
any stipend at all is awesome.
I come from bw where a stipend was like some kind of polkadotted zebra.
it's just really hard for some of us poor college students to come up with money. However, still waiting on xeris' update on csl invitational, the date and time.
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On May 11 2012 14:52 iNcontroL wrote:
any stipend at all is awesome.
I come from bw where a stipend was like some kind of polkadotted zebra.
so a dime a dozen then..
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you guys underestimate the stik!!
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I believe the CSL final 4's and invitation players should be able to apply for funding from their own colleges. Look at how much funding college football and basketball they have. It doesn't hurt to try.
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Just wanted to throw out there that I am SUPER grateful for the $200 stipend (I didn't think we would get one, but this makes my parents support me much more now that we are getting it). I can't wait for this tournament and hopefully I can show some good games against some pro players.
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What is the breakdown of the prize pool?
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On May 15 2012 05:19 uberism wrote:
What is the breakdown of the prize pool?
and when's the actual thing, you guys told us to hold off on tickets until further instructions...
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