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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 08:58:22
March 10 2012 08:43 GMT
#721
to clarify this. They made an angreement for one map, that byun was going lose in the first round of a weekly cup where the winner could get a spot in a tournament that gives away ONE Code A spot[, NO Code A spot was given away. So saying there was a Code A spot on the line is just false. Secondly they did it spontaneous, no money or anything else valuable was involved. Just a stupid move, but not such a big deal that was made out of it over there in korea. a ban from this particular tournament would've been a reasonable punishment, but coca forfeighting his GSL Code S Ro16 (and with it entirely GSL spot), being banned from the Slayers Team House and A Team and both staying away from tournaments for nearly half a year was way too much. And after all that still complaining about this little shit seems just stupid to me.

EDIT: Corrected the wrong Code A facts. But to say, that they didn't agree about that set is a little too much, given the ingame chat.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
March 10 2012 08:43 GMT
#722
On March 10 2012 17:41 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:37 figq wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:31 yawnoC wrote:
Wolf really is Buzz Killington :/

Also I swore the old ESV Korean Weekly lead up to a small tournament that would allow winners to win a Code A spot.
For the last freaking time - at the time there were negotiations and THERE WAS NO CODE A SPOT at stake.

You don't believe me - read Mr. Chae's statement carefully please:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580&currentpage=4#76

I never said there was one at stake...
You said you could swore the old weekly lead up to monthly Code A - that was true BEFORE that match with Byun's accident. At the time of that match it was not true (not yet negotiated).
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
March 10 2012 08:44 GMT
#723
On March 10 2012 17:40 TheNessman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:38 ragnorr wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:35 TheNessman wrote:
Ok sorry, if i have the facts wrong then i apologize, i was only going off of this :

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1/Finals_3
? you're right I can't find which one it was.

i go to TL as my only SC2 news site, and I trust OPs heavily. Was this OP wrong that I am referring to?

It was the weekly #15, which was after finals #3 which was the only final to have a code a spot

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1/Weekly_15

so the winner of this did NOT get a code A spot? then i would like to say that this OP needs to be updated: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566


That thread is closed because there was no confirmation at the time. Read the mod note.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
March 10 2012 08:44 GMT
#724
On March 10 2012 17:41 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:37 figq wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:31 yawnoC wrote:
Wolf really is Buzz Killington :/

Also I swore the old ESV Korean Weekly lead up to a small tournament that would allow winners to win a Code A spot.
For the last freaking time - at the time there were negotiations and THERE WAS NO CODE A SPOT at stake.

You don't believe me - read Mr. Chae's statement carefully please:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580&currentpage=4#76

I never said there was one at stake...

i think he quoted the wrong person
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TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
March 10 2012 08:45 GMT
#725
On March 10 2012 17:44 dormer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:40 TheNessman wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:38 ragnorr wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:35 TheNessman wrote:
Ok sorry, if i have the facts wrong then i apologize, i was only going off of this :

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1/Finals_3
? you're right I can't find which one it was.

i go to TL as my only SC2 news site, and I trust OPs heavily. Was this OP wrong that I am referring to?

It was the weekly #15, which was after finals #3 which was the only final to have a code a spot

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1/Weekly_15

so the winner of this did NOT get a code A spot? then i would like to say that this OP needs to be updated: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566


That thread is closed because there was no confirmation at the time. Read the mod note.

where is the mod note?
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dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
March 10 2012 08:48 GMT
#726
On March 10 2012 17:45 TheNessman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:44 dormer wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:40 TheNessman wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:38 ragnorr wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:35 TheNessman wrote:
Ok sorry, if i have the facts wrong then i apologize, i was only going off of this :

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1/Finals_3
? you're right I can't find which one it was.

i go to TL as my only SC2 news site, and I trust OPs heavily. Was this OP wrong that I am referring to?

It was the weekly #15, which was after finals #3 which was the only final to have a code a spot

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1/Weekly_15

so the winner of this did NOT get a code A spot? then i would like to say that this OP needs to be updated: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566


That thread is closed because there was no confirmation at the time. Read the mod note.

where is the mod note?


Not a mod note, I don't know -- the post at the bottom of the page from the mod that closed the thread explaining why he closed it. Point being, it's a closed thread, that should be the first clue that it isn't an official statement and shouldn't be taken as absolute fact.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
March 10 2012 08:51 GMT
#727
:/ i'm sorry to bring such a negative discussion to this thread but I really just don't agree with apparently ALL OTHER SC2 FANS light opinion of match fixing. I really have no respect for anyone who does it in any tournament. They are professionals, and match fixing is lying about your work. Also, who's to say it wasn't pre-mediated but IDK thats a whole nother 5 pages of rage
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silentsod
Profile Joined August 2010
United States198 Posts
March 10 2012 08:51 GMT
#728
I'm glad to see Byun coming back strong after his fall from grace.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 08:58:23
March 10 2012 08:52 GMT
#729
On March 10 2012 17:43 TeeTS wrote:
to clarify this. They made an angreement for one map, that byun was going lose in the first round of a weekly cup where the winner could get a spot in a tournament that gives away ONE Code A spot. So saying there was a Code A spot on the line is just false. Secondly they did it spontaneous, no money or anything else valuable was involved. Just a stupid move, but not such a big deal that was made out of it over there in korea. a ban from this particular tournament would've been a reasonable punishment, but coca forfeighting his GSL Code S Ro16 (and with it entirely GSL spot), being banned from the Slayers Team House and A Team and both staying away from tournaments for nearly half a year was way too much. And after all that still complaining about this little shit seems just stupid to me.
That's entirely false and misinformation:
1. There was NO CODE A spot. Not even at the monthly finals, and of course not in the weekly itself.
2. There was absolutely no arrangement. Coca wanted to play more ZvT to practice for his 3x Terran group in Code S (with some real Terran monsters in it at the time). So in a Bo3, in their second game, after clearly winning, and talking about needing more T practice (because his terran teammates were off at some event), he suddenly agreed to just gg and go 3rd game, because he was only playing this match for some T practice.
3. Due to this time conflict he would have otherwise just forfeited the whole match - like 10 other people did, and only 6 matches were played anyway in this first round.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
March 10 2012 08:52 GMT
#730
On March 10 2012 17:48 dormer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:45 TheNessman wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:44 dormer wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:40 TheNessman wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:38 ragnorr wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:35 TheNessman wrote:
Ok sorry, if i have the facts wrong then i apologize, i was only going off of this :

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1/Finals_3
? you're right I can't find which one it was.

i go to TL as my only SC2 news site, and I trust OPs heavily. Was this OP wrong that I am referring to?

It was the weekly #15, which was after finals #3 which was the only final to have a code a spot

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Season_1/Weekly_15

so the winner of this did NOT get a code A spot? then i would like to say that this OP needs to be updated: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566


That thread is closed because there was no confirmation at the time. Read the mod note.

where is the mod note?


Not a mod note, I don't know -- the post at the bottom of the page from the mod that closed the thread explaining why he closed it. Point being, it's a closed thread, that should be the first clue that it isn't an official statement and shouldn't be taken as absolute fact.

When i click on a thread it is not obvious to me that a thread is closed, or that it was debunked. I read the OP and gathered my facts from that.
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dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 08:55:15
March 10 2012 08:54 GMT
#731
On March 10 2012 17:51 TheNessman wrote:
:/ i'm sorry to bring such a negative discussion to this thread but I really just don't agree with apparently ALL OTHER SC2 FANS light opinion of match fixing. I really have no respect for anyone who does it in any tournament. They are professionals, and match fixing is lying about your work. Also, who's to say it wasn't pre-mediated but IDK thats a whole nother 5 pages of rage


That's fine, but you've already expressed your opinion repeatedly and aggressively, on top of which you didn't even have the correct information about the "scandal" until what, 20 minutes ago? If it really pisses you off, write a blog. This isn't the place to campaign against Byun.

Edit: Also, "I only read the OP" isn't exactly a good defense.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 08:57:08
March 10 2012 08:54 GMT
#732
On March 10 2012 17:54 dormer wrote:
This isn't the place to campaign against Byun.

Edit: Also, "I only read the OP" isn't exactly a good defense.

Disagree.
And where else are the facts going to be? If not in the OP i don't know where else I would look.

Sorry! i'll shut up now , i hope no one is too mad >< its just always confusing to me when people defend people who give up games.
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Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
March 10 2012 08:55 GMT
#733
Wow, curious must be .. frustrated? Going 3-0 loosing 4-5.
Fnatic - TSM - EG
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 10 2012 08:57 GMT
#734
Hey, you know how I said it was okay for you to have that opinion? likewise i think you should be okay with others having a different opinion to yours to, and not try and start a rather large fight in the LR thread. after all the recent drama, it would be nice just to celebrate a good series

Impressive comeback, first GSL comeback is a 3-kill. Byun wasn't tooo impressive in IPL TAC but he came through today!
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Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
March 10 2012 08:57 GMT
#735
On March 10 2012 17:51 TheNessman wrote:
:/ i'm sorry to bring such a negative discussion to this thread but I really just don't agree with apparently ALL OTHER SC2 FANS light opinion of match fixing. I really have no respect for anyone who does it in any tournament. They are professionals, and match fixing is lying about your work. Also, who's to say it wasn't pre-mediated but IDK thats a whole nother 5 pages of rage

Theres another older thread for that jazz.
Fnatic - TSM - EG
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
March 10 2012 09:08 GMT
#736
On March 10 2012 17:51 TheNessman wrote:
:/ i'm sorry to bring such a negative discussion to this thread but I really just don't agree with apparently ALL OTHER SC2 FANS light opinion of match fixing. I really have no respect for anyone who does it in any tournament. They are professionals, and match fixing is lying about your work. Also, who's to say it wasn't pre-mediated but IDK thats a whole nother 5 pages of rage


If it was premeditated why would they have actually talked about it in game? I don't think Byun and Coca are idiots.
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
March 10 2012 09:08 GMT
#737
On March 10 2012 17:54 TheNessman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:54 dormer wrote:
This isn't the place to campaign against Byun.

Edit: Also, "I only read the OP" isn't exactly a good defense.

Disagree.
And where else are the facts going to be? If not in the OP i don't know where else I would look.

Sorry! i'll shut up now , i hope no one is too mad >< its just always confusing to me when people defend people who give up games.

The only reason people are getting mad is you're making it seem like Byun is as bad as Savior
Maruprime.
TsundereLOVE
Profile Joined October 2010
United States17 Posts
March 10 2012 09:13 GMT
#738
Anyone have a screencap of Byun's moment of victory for me? Please? lol... :D
背に腹はかえられぬ
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
March 10 2012 09:16 GMT
#739
On March 10 2012 18:08 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:54 TheNessman wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:54 dormer wrote:
This isn't the place to campaign against Byun.

Edit: Also, "I only read the OP" isn't exactly a good defense.

Disagree.
And where else are the facts going to be? If not in the OP i don't know where else I would look.

Sorry! i'll shut up now , i hope no one is too mad >< its just always confusing to me when people defend people who give up games.

The only reason people are getting mad is you're making it seem like Byun is as bad as Savior


He was basically trying to make what byun/coca did the equivalent of grand larceny (ie savior) when all they did was equivalent to stealing a pack of gum. It was wrong, but a minor spur of the moment thing. I found naniwa's probe rush or stephano quitting the finals of that tourney to be much more reprehensible acts than what coca/byun did.
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yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
March 10 2012 09:16 GMT
#740
On March 10 2012 17:43 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 17:41 yawnoC wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:37 figq wrote:
On March 10 2012 17:31 yawnoC wrote:
Wolf really is Buzz Killington :/

Also I swore the old ESV Korean Weekly lead up to a small tournament that would allow winners to win a Code A spot.
For the last freaking time - at the time there were negotiations and THERE WAS NO CODE A SPOT at stake.

You don't believe me - read Mr. Chae's statement carefully please:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580&currentpage=4#76

I never said there was one at stake...
You said you could swore the old weekly lead up to monthly Code A - that was true BEFORE that match with Byun's accident. At the time of that match it was not true (not yet negotiated).
Sigh you don't understand why I said what I did so just leave it alone -.-
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