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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10708 Posts
February 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#481
I really , really ,really want ZeNEX Avenge to make a reverse allkill for ZeNEX man... gogo fighting!!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
February 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#482
On February 10 2012 19:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:31 kubiks wrote:
What ? Never ecxpected Oz ? He's not bad at PvP...

They are acting like PvP is still 100% coinflip unless you're inca or mc


Inca's PvP is a coinflip on whether or not the opponent decides to prepare for the DTs that they KNOW are coming. >_>
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 10:36:30
February 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#483
On February 10 2012 19:34 jdynamic wrote:
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On February 10 2012 19:29 sAfuRos wrote:
some of the worst force fields i've ever seen E_E

Nonetheless, nice to see lucky go down


Yeah those FF's were ... interesting. Anyway I love how the caster was like "NICE forcefields!!" when only one was put down at the beginning of that fight o.o


They did block out a part of the army, next to/behind the 3rd base, so it's not like it worked against him. But yeah, certainly very lacklustre compared to what someone like MC would've done with those sentries.

On February 10 2012 19:35 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:31 kubiks wrote:
What ? Never ecxpected Oz ? He's not bad at PvP...

They are acting like PvP is still 100% coinflip unless you're inca or mc


Inca's PvP is a coinflip on whether or not the opponent decides to prepare for the DTs that they KNOW are coming. >_>


InCa almost never DTs in PvP and if you ever actually watched him, it is quite obvious that he understands the match-ups and knows how he should play it.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 10:37:16
February 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#484
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 10 2012 19:34 Mobius_1 wrote:
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On February 10 2012 19:23 Mobius_1 wrote:
2012 GSTL Day 5: Group A Match 3
ZeNEX 0-3 FXO
Game 4
ZeNEX_Avenge vs FXOLucky
Metropolis


0:00
Avenge spawns P3
Lucky spawns Z9

After the boss name announcer and FXOBoss with a message to Scoots
Avenge Forge FE's, pylon blocks Lucky, Mushroom style, Nexus --> Cannon --> Gateway
Lucky takes 3rd instead at the bottom left, and takes natural as well after taking out the Pylon


5:00
+1 weapons, more Gateways, Robo and Hallucination for Avenge
Lucky techs to Lair, Roaches with burrow movement
Avenge moves out with 2 Immortals in a Warp Prism and Gateway army

10:00
Lucky splitting his army and flanks the Protoss army from 3 sides as Avenge attacks the 3rd
However good forcefields and well protected immortals come out on top with little losses and takes out the 3rd
Lucky continues to pummel Avenge with Roach Ling but FFs+stalkers+zealots hold off wave after wave
Avenge marches into the natural
Lucky pulls his drones but cannot hold against Avenge and GG's!

ZeNEX 1-3 FXO!


Why are you reposting this?
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Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
February 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#485
On February 10 2012 19:33 Oboeman wrote:
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On February 10 2012 19:31 the`postman wrote:
That was such a scary timing, not sure how you hold that. Seems like you have to take down the warp prism but that's near impossible with good micro.


I think that big battle at the 3rd with the three way flank from lucky is the key. It looked like lucky was going to win that fight. I think he needed to prioritize the immortals and sentries more, and probably bring 4 queens to shoot down the prism in the middle of that battle.

or go infestor like Seal did against squirtle.


He scouted a bunch of gates and two immortals.

A couple spine crawlers at your third will make it easier to hold. Immortals will have to focus the spines instead of roaches.
I've got moves like Jagger
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
February 10 2012 10:36 GMT
#486
On February 10 2012 19:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Anyone notice that in addition to having really good players, FXO's stars are pretty well rounded? The only glaring weaknesses from before were Leenocks awful zvp and gumiho's tvt was meh before this season, but gumi, leenock, lucky, and oz are pretty strong in all 3 matchups


Yeah, they really know how to build and manage strong players. Good for them :D They'll get a gsl one day, im sure of it.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 10 2012 10:36 GMT
#487
On February 10 2012 19:32 Dakkas wrote:
Oz at PvP? Do you two even watch the games you cast? He's only one of the best PvPers

God casters sometimes just annoy me so much


What do you expect, it's Moletrap and Khaldor. Their knowledge of players is restricted to TLPD stats usually.
And in this case, had they even looked at Oz's stats, they actually would know he has on of the best PvP in Korea.
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
February 10 2012 10:36 GMT
#488
On February 10 2012 19:33 Oboeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:31 the`postman wrote:
That was such a scary timing, not sure how you hold that. Seems like you have to take down the warp prism but that's near impossible with good micro.


I think that big battle at the 3rd with the three way flank from lucky is the key. It looked like lucky was going to win that fight. I think he needed to prioritize the immortals and sentries more, and probably bring 4 queens to shoot down the prism in the middle of that battle.

or go infestor like Seal did against squirtle.

Lucky executed perfectly with that flank and Avenge failed his early FF"s and he still won the fight, very scary. When was that Squirtle vs Seal game I'd like to watch that VoD.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 10 2012 10:37 GMT
#489
On February 10 2012 19:36 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:33 Oboeman wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:31 the`postman wrote:
That was such a scary timing, not sure how you hold that. Seems like you have to take down the warp prism but that's near impossible with good micro.


I think that big battle at the 3rd with the three way flank from lucky is the key. It looked like lucky was going to win that fight. I think he needed to prioritize the immortals and sentries more, and probably bring 4 queens to shoot down the prism in the middle of that battle.

or go infestor like Seal did against squirtle.

Lucky executed perfectly with that flank and Avenge failed his early FF"s and he still won the fight, very scary. When was that Squirtle vs Seal game I'd like to watch that VoD.

code a this week
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37072 Posts
February 10 2012 10:37 GMT
#490
On February 10 2012 19:36 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:32 Dakkas wrote:
Oz at PvP? Do you two even watch the games you cast? He's only one of the best PvPers

God casters sometimes just annoy me so much


What do you expect, it's Moletrap and Khaldor. Their knowledge of players is restricted to TLPD stats usually.
And in this case, had they even looked at Oz's stats, they actually would know he has on of the best PvP in Korea.

Really wish they would use Liquipedia more :/
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
February 10 2012 10:38 GMT
#491
On February 10 2012 19:36 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:33 Oboeman wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:31 the`postman wrote:
That was such a scary timing, not sure how you hold that. Seems like you have to take down the warp prism but that's near impossible with good micro.


I think that big battle at the 3rd with the three way flank from lucky is the key. It looked like lucky was going to win that fight. I think he needed to prioritize the immortals and sentries more, and probably bring 4 queens to shoot down the prism in the middle of that battle.

or go infestor like Seal did against squirtle.

Lucky executed perfectly with that flank and Avenge failed his early FF"s and he still won the fight, very scary. When was that Squirtle vs Seal game I'd like to watch that VoD.


http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls1/vod/66838

I think everyone already forgot how that game started because they were too busy obsessing over how it ended.
Squirtle did almost that exact 2 base robo push and Seal had gone fast infestors (with a later 3rd) and crushed it with roach ling infestor (very few roaches) and then went straight to muta, and it eventually turned into a 40 spinecrawler 30 broodlord slow push.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 10 2012 10:39 GMT
#492
On February 10 2012 19:38 Oboeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:36 the`postman wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:33 Oboeman wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:31 the`postman wrote:
That was such a scary timing, not sure how you hold that. Seems like you have to take down the warp prism but that's near impossible with good micro.


I think that big battle at the 3rd with the three way flank from lucky is the key. It looked like lucky was going to win that fight. I think he needed to prioritize the immortals and sentries more, and probably bring 4 queens to shoot down the prism in the middle of that battle.

or go infestor like Seal did against squirtle.

Lucky executed perfectly with that flank and Avenge failed his early FF"s and he still won the fight, very scary. When was that Squirtle vs Seal game I'd like to watch that VoD.


http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls1/vod/66838

I think everyone already forgot how that game started because they were too busy obsessing over how it ended.
Squirtle did almost that exact 2 base robo push and Seal had gone fast infestors (with a later 3rd) and crushed it with roach ling infestor (very few roaches) and then went straight to muta, and it eventually turned into a 40 spinecrawler 30 broodlord slow push.

don't forget the most important/coolest part
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neural parasite on mothership and vortexs wasted on protoss :D

it was awesome
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the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
February 10 2012 10:39 GMT
#493
On February 10 2012 19:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:36 the`postman wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:33 Oboeman wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:31 the`postman wrote:
That was such a scary timing, not sure how you hold that. Seems like you have to take down the warp prism but that's near impossible with good micro.


I think that big battle at the 3rd with the three way flank from lucky is the key. It looked like lucky was going to win that fight. I think he needed to prioritize the immortals and sentries more, and probably bring 4 queens to shoot down the prism in the middle of that battle.

or go infestor like Seal did against squirtle.

Lucky executed perfectly with that flank and Avenge failed his early FF"s and he still won the fight, very scary. When was that Squirtle vs Seal game I'd like to watch that VoD.

code a this week

Thanks!
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
February 10 2012 10:40 GMT
#494
On February 10 2012 19:35 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:35 Hall0wed wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:31 kubiks wrote:
What ? Never ecxpected Oz ? He's not bad at PvP...

They are acting like PvP is still 100% coinflip unless you're inca or mc


Inca's PvP is a coinflip on whether or not the opponent decides to prepare for the DTs that they KNOW are coming. >_>


InCa almost never DTs in PvP and if you ever actually watched him, it is quite obvious that he understands the match-ups and knows how he should play it.


Detecting sarcasm is difficult. =O
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 10 2012 10:41 GMT
#495
Oz is doing a great job of shutting down scouting. scouting probe and observer killed. Avenge has no idea what's going on
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37072 Posts
February 10 2012 10:42 GMT
#496
I wonder....

Is that shark killable?

Not that I would want that shark dead as I love it but just wondering
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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jdynamic
Profile Joined August 2010
United States22 Posts
February 10 2012 10:43 GMT
#497
Hm... I think Avenge should have attacked again. I thought that's what he was planning when he added production after his push instead of expanding. Just giving a chance to Oz to get ahead
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 10 2012 10:44 GMT
#498
On February 10 2012 19:42 Seeker wrote:
I wonder....

Is that shark killable?

Not that I would want that shark dead as I love it but just wondering

It's not targetable. I forget which stream but it came up in one tournament about how it exists on a different plane of reality
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SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
February 10 2012 10:44 GMT
#499
On February 10 2012 19:40 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2012 19:35 Inflicted_ wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:35 Hall0wed wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On February 10 2012 19:31 kubiks wrote:
What ? Never ecxpected Oz ? He's not bad at PvP...

They are acting like PvP is still 100% coinflip unless you're inca or mc


Inca's PvP is a coinflip on whether or not the opponent decides to prepare for the DTs that they KNOW are coming. >_>


InCa almost never DTs in PvP and if you ever actually watched him, it is quite obvious that he understands the match-ups and knows how he should play it.


Detecting sarcasm is difficult. =O


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed_elo.php?section=sc2-korean&race=P#tblt-7257-1-9-DESC

You mean that you're the one being sarcastic, right?
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
February 10 2012 10:46 GMT
#500
2012 GSTL Day 5: Group A Match 3
ZeNEX 1-3 FXO
Game 5
ZeNEX_Avenge vs FXOz
ESV Cloud Kingdom


0:00
Avenge spawns P7
Oz spawns P1

Identical, standard openings from both players in this PvP
Oz steals Avenge's gas and takes his own 2nd gas

5:00
Avenge attacks with a group of stalkers and does a good deal of damage, killing a sentry and some probes and some stalkers
Oz expands after holding off the attack
Avenge makes a Robo and researches Blink while making immortals, while Oz has Robo but not Blink, yet
Avenge also expands

10:00
Oz has a fair econ lead with is earlier expansion, and he builds Forge and Council and begins +1 attack and Blink
Oz working towards Colossus
Avenge researching Charge and making a Dark Shrine
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