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On January 29 2012 01:57 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 01:54 WigglingSquid wrote:On January 29 2012 01:48 Asha` wrote:On January 29 2012 01:46 procyonlotor wrote:
Is Sage's pvt as good as his pvz? You mean he bounces between great and gawhatthefuck? Yeah. His vP is his only genuinely weak match up imo. No, just no. He played one poor PvP once and everyone started bashing him. ._. His PvP is not good but not too bad; he almost took down Oz in Code A and recently he didn't show any particular weakness in that matchup. The only true problem of Sage are nerves/decision making under stress. Quite often, he just risks too much or make poor engagements/decisions... such as today, he is going DT again. No, just no. He's played numerous bad PvP series and only ever beaten weak opponents. He's at a 40% win rate for a reason and he certainly didn't almost take down Oz, it was an easy 3-1.
You forgot those games, I reckon. One of the matches was just down to one fair engagement where Sage retreated his colossi into a slightly narrower choke than Oz's, lost the first volley and witnessed his whole army evaporate in the clump. Many others PvP which he lost were quite close.
I am not saying that his PvP is good, but it is far from as bad as when he began and too many people are simply saying "oh 40% win percentage, he must really suck at PvP".
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never attack a planetary if the terran army is close :x , he took out the ghosts energy and some medivacs which made the conter less deadly, but seems like it wasn't enough. But supernova with his mass medivacs was just waiting to trade armys and then win by having marauders that don't die and can stim perm.
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On January 29 2012 02:05 redloser wrote:
Tassadar... Hmm.
Is he gonna do the obs + blinker all-in again?
On Daybreak... so yes.
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wow another great game!! supernova is too sick man. sage played that right, he just needed storm
but im going for supernova so im glad he lost!
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On January 29 2012 02:05 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 02:04 andaylin wrote:On January 29 2012 02:03 Eee wrote:
Supernova has really improved his TvP lately, used to be one of his weaker matchups. But the last week he beat MC and now he just beat Sage pretty convingly. lol he beat MC with 2 1-1-1's, so that's not saying much. Though it does seem better I guess from this game, overlooking the fact that Sage gave the game away ofc. I wouldn't take away his win over MC. If you read the blog about it, he completely mindfucked MC. While MC was pretty much dead on his feet from Tastosis' descriptions after HSC, props to Supernova for some really smart play.
lol i could have done the "mindfuck", build a bunker at the second ramp of antiga - toss thinks its a 1rax expo because his probe didn't get to main in time to check gases. proceed to 1-1-1 and win :D
MVP has done it multiple times in his TvP as well. not much of a mindfuck imo.
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tassadar -.- quick allin inc
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Well the thing to take away from that game, is that deathball vs deathball is a losing battle for toss. Tosses need to play more like Extreme and constantly create small skirmishes, trading units with the terran. If you let the mmm ball get too big, you will lose to the huge clump of DPS. Sage was doing it early, but just like terran has to continually drop bases, toss has to continually warp in small harass squads and whittle down the main army with storm. O yeah, and you can't forget storm =/.
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On January 29 2012 02:07 Fig wrote:
Well the thing to take away from that game, is that deathball vs deathball is a losing battle for toss. Tosses need to play more like Extreme and constantly create small skirmishes, trading units with the terran. If you let the mmm ball get too big, you will lose to the huge clump of DPS. Sage was doing it early, but just like terran has to continually drop bases, toss has to continually warp in small harass squads and whittle down the main army with storm. O yeah, and you can't forget storm =/.
no, deathball vs deathball is in favor of toss. Sage just had no AOE whatsoever.
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Nice to see more terrans with good TvP. For a while, the best TvPers were no longer any good, Bomber losing to MC and other random protosses, Polt losing to Killer. Nice to see the new TvP beats Jjakji and Supernova...
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lol khaldor " and we see the cc at 14 supply, very very aggressive "
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On January 29 2012 02:07 Fig wrote:
Well the thing to take away from that game, is that deathball vs deathball is a losing battle for toss. Tosses need to play more like Extreme and constantly create small skirmishes, trading units with the terran. If you let the mmm ball get too big, you will lose to the huge clump of DPS. Sage was doing it early, but just like terran has to continually drop bases, toss has to continually warp in small harass squads and whittle down the main army with storm. O yeah, and you can't forget storm =/.
Deathball vs Deathball is a certain win for Protoss... if you have Collosi/storm. Sage had neither so he had no AoE/splash damage, and that is why he lost.
On January 29 2012 02:08 poorcloud wrote:
Nice to see more terrans with good TvP. For a while, the best TvPers were no longer any good, Bomber losing to MC and other random protosses, Polt losing to Killer. Nice to see the new TvP beats Jjakji and Supernova...
Supernova doesn't really have good TvP, he just gets lucky and the Protosses do stupid moves. Watch players like ForGG and TheStC, they have better bio-viking and bio-ghost control, yet they still lose.
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On January 29 2012 02:07 Fig wrote:
Well the thing to take away from that game, is that deathball vs deathball is a losing battle for toss. Tosses need to play more like Extreme and constantly create small skirmishes, trading units with the terran. If you let the mmm ball get too big, you will lose to the huge clump of DPS. Sage was doing it early, but just like terran has to continually drop bases, toss has to continually warp in small harass squads and whittle down the main army with storm. O yeah, and you can't forget storm =/.
And when you finally get it, you can't squeeze your two templars through a single tile and get them emp'ed along with your Archons right before a critical engagement. =p
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Proxy stargate, oh tassadar xD
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On January 29 2012 02:07 Fig wrote:
Well the thing to take away from that game, is that deathball vs deathball is a losing battle for toss. Tosses need to play more like Extreme and constantly create small skirmishes, trading units with the terran. If you let the mmm ball get too big, you will lose to the huge clump of DPS. Sage was doing it early, but just like terran has to continually drop bases, toss has to continually warp in small harass squads and whittle down the main army with storm. O yeah, and you can't forget storm =/.
Deathball vs Deathball is perfectly fine for Toss.
Sage wasn't a deathball. It was just some inferior army with lots of basic units and no upgrades...
A proper protoss deathball is 3-3 with colossus and templar mixed in with stalkers and zealots. No MMMGV can beat that if both players are of equal skill....
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Tassadar cheesing?
Completely unexpected.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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supernova didnt have a deathball, deathball for terran is 111
not rine rauder ghost xD
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Unless supernova goes afk looks like we'll have a TvT ace match  can't wait for the map
edit: LOL nvm
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Haha Tassadar, y u so predictable.
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On January 29 2012 02:07 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 02:05 SeaSwift wrote:On January 29 2012 02:04 andaylin wrote:On January 29 2012 02:03 Eee wrote:
Supernova has really improved his TvP lately, used to be one of his weaker matchups. But the last week he beat MC and now he just beat Sage pretty convingly. lol he beat MC with 2 1-1-1's, so that's not saying much. Though it does seem better I guess from this game, overlooking the fact that Sage gave the game away ofc. I wouldn't take away his win over MC. If you read the blog about it, he completely mindfucked MC. While MC was pretty much dead on his feet from Tastosis' descriptions after HSC, props to Supernova for some really smart play. lol i could have done the "mindfuck", build a bunker at the second ramp of antiga - toss thinks its a 1rax expo because his probe didn't get to main in time to check gases. proceed to 1-1-1 and win :D MVP has done it multiple times in his TvP as well. not much of a mindfuck imo.
Look, read the blog. I'm not going to regurgitate everything that was in it here for your satisfaction.
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