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On January 28 2012 04:33 TheMexican wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 04:29 Vega62a wrote:
This is such a rough build. I honestly have no idea how a zerg is supposed to defend this. scout it and its a freewin pretty much. grubby however smartly opened stargate first map and picked those scouting overlords around the map up, maybe forcing sheth to position them differently? i didnt pay much attention but he did wait for the overlords that scouted him to be dead so... its definitely not a build which cannot be countered (else you would see it WAY more often in tournaments) since theres so much risk.
he scouted with his overlord, the gates were thrown down afterward. Overlord scouts are a coinflip. Sometimes you see everything you need to, sometimes you see nothing. The build is extremely difficult to stop unless you already have a chunk of units in your main and a chunk of units at your natural. Sheth made units too late.
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well thats what i'm saying that it's just luck whether it gets scouted and if it does, it's a freeloss. so it can not be a super imba strategy like someine suggested here.
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On January 28 2012 04:32 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 04:30 Vega62a wrote:
Great game by grubby. Hope to see a few games that aren't two-base gimmicks soon, I know he's got it in him. Grubby took his 3rd while harassing with the void/phoenix in game 1 o_O
Good catch, I missed that. It felt gimmicky to me because I don't think the third base had kicked in before he pushed, and because there was definitely a hole where he started getting colossus and had no real army.
On January 28 2012 04:33 Carl_Sagan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 04:30 Vega62a wrote:
Great game by grubby. Hope to see a few games that aren't two-base gimmicks soon, I know he's got it in him. Grubby predominately uses macro play, not gimmicky protoss play. I'm pretty sure he's throwing in these builds specifically because Sheth saw that Grubby prefered longer, many-base games when they played a BO11 recently. Grubby fighting! <3 Love Sheth too, two one of the most manner progamers out there! Both deserve huge cheers.
I know, he's actually a really good macro player. Just expressing that I don't want the entire series to be him making cute pushes and winning/losing.
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On January 28 2012 04:37 TheMexican wrote:
well thats what i'm saying that it's just luck whether it gets scouted and if it does, it's a freeloss. so it can not be a super imba strategy like someine suggested here.
it's not a free loss.
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On January 28 2012 04:38 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 04:32 Mohdoo wrote:On January 28 2012 04:30 Vega62a wrote:
Great game by grubby. Hope to see a few games that aren't two-base gimmicks soon, I know he's got it in him. Grubby took his 3rd while harassing with the void/phoenix in game 1 o_O Good catch, I missed that. It felt gimmicky to me because I don't think the third base had kicked in before he pushed, and because there was definitely a hole where he started getting colossus and had no real army. Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 04:33 Carl_Sagan wrote:On January 28 2012 04:30 Vega62a wrote:
Great game by grubby. Hope to see a few games that aren't two-base gimmicks soon, I know he's got it in him. Grubby predominately uses macro play, not gimmicky protoss play. I'm pretty sure he's throwing in these builds specifically because Sheth saw that Grubby prefered longer, many-base games when they played a BO11 recently. Grubby fighting! <3 Love Sheth too, two one of the most manner progamers out there! Both deserve huge cheers. I know, he's actually a really good macro player. Just expressing that I don't want the entire series to be him making cute pushes and winning/losing.
its up to sheth to hold it and make a macro-game of it. game 1 was a total macro-game, he simply has an agressive playstyle while playing macro.
sitting back and letting zerg macro the whole game usually doesnt work on this level
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And scouting an 8-gate is definitely not a freewin. Especially not when there's a warp prism. This is partially because in the process of getting an 8-gate, you have 8 gates.
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you can defenetly transition into warpprism-harass and taking a 3rd when u fail with the initial 8 gate push. ofc you will be behind if you fail, but its not lost.
game 1 was completly solid though, 3 vs 3 base, he simply finished when he could.
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sheth not attacking with his mutas at the same time as his roaches.....
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Agggggh internet hiccup just as sheth pops in with his mutas, how did that harass turn out?
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Northern Ireland27125 Posts
Sheth is playing pretty well in this game. That said, hate Mutalisk play in ZvP in general and hate Dual Sight as a map, hopefully a more entertaining game next time out!.
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Heh... Totalbiscuit is missing a lot of the WP harass.. .but Grubby is doing it continuously so it is impossible to see them all 
In addition, Grubby playing really well from behind! Chooses engagements wisely
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Agggggh sheth just go kill him
Edit: Thanks, Sheth
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Just tuned in. Always a pleasure to watch the Grubster.
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Is a user in this thread here which didnt follow wc3? :D
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On January 28 2012 05:04 Dingodile wrote:
Is a user in this thread here which didnt follow wc3? :D
Yes, here. Sorry...
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On January 28 2012 05:05 Ketch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 05:04 Dingodile wrote:
Is a user in this thread here which didnt follow wc3? :D Yes, here. Sorry...
Daww and you're even from the Netherlands, shame on you =D!
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On January 28 2012 05:06 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 05:05 Ketch wrote:On January 28 2012 05:04 Dingodile wrote:
Is a user in this thread here which didnt follow wc3? :D Yes, here. Sorry... Daww and you're even from the Netherlands, shame on you =D!
Yeah, ah well... I also ran into Grubby once in Utrecht and let him pass without bothering him... do regret that though, don't regret not following WC3
Back to the match, are they using the less-fog-version of Cloud Kingdom, or not? -> Only saw it in SQ on Gom so far
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gotta say it... i hate shoutcasting and people who don't know what they're talking about theorizing about sc, but i'm liking tb more and more. i enjoy tuning into his casts, and i like his other content. so pleased to tune in and hear him today.
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