EPT[NASTL] Week 1 Mouz vs RoxKiS - Page 2
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Sabre
United Kingdom1086 Posts
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lykkekage
Denmark107 Posts
Rox might take one game imo, but mouz will take it 3-0 or 3-1 | ||
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00Visor
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Then HasuObs and Thorzain are favored, so is LiveZerg. 3-1 mouz. | ||
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Sabre
United Kingdom1086 Posts
On January 21 2012 09:05 lykkekage wrote: Well, Rox.Kis is really missing Pomi & Titan here. Rox might take one game imo, but mouz will take it 3-0 or 3-1 I think Slivko can take down Thorzain if he plays as solidly as he can do, I'm hoping that RoX can pull off a 3-1/3-2 :D | ||
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
Slivko>ThorZaIN fraer>Mana Abver<HasuObs RoX.KIS ace (slivko)<Mouz ace (thorzain) 3-2 mouz, but very close to call indeed for ALL of the matches. Should be good fun! | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
  biGs vs ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/flags/ru.png) LiveZerg — Push  ThorZaIN vs sLivko — sLivko is one of the hottest players in EU atm. This is ThorZaIN's worst MU. sLivko favored.![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/flags/pl.png)  MaNa vs  fraer — MaNa is just the better player, even though it's PvP. MaNa favored. HasuObs vs Abver — PushCould go to ace; I'd guess MaNa vs sLivko if it does, with MaNa winning. | ||
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CPTBadAss
United States594 Posts
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00Visor
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
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Icekommander
Canada483 Posts
On January 21 2012 07:51 AysiktiriX wrote: 2 EU teams dishing it out in NA time... sigh I am a big fan of mouz, and even bigger of Thorzain, but 4am starting time is a bit too much for me. They are still doing the EU rebroadcasts, aren't they? | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On January 21 2012 11:56 Icekommander wrote: They are still doing the EU rebroadcasts, aren't they? Yeah, they are. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On January 21 2012 08:56 StarVe wrote: Interesting, this could be closer than you might expect, RoxKiS got pretty good draws, the first two games are winnable for either side, PvP is volatile, though Mana is highly favored and the last game could be close, too, because HasuObs is pretty weak against Zerg. If Pomi and Titan had been able to play instead of traveling to WCG, I would even have thought RoxKiS to be slightly favored. MorroW being in Korea really hurts mousesports, since their lineup is not deep at all. From what I saw of biGs in other teamleagues, his ZvT is ridiculously good (which is supported by his stats) and his other match-ups were pretty good too. LiveZerg is good, but I think that he's about the same level as biGs and certainly is not better. That being said, ZvZ is a match-up that anybody can win (assuming that one person isn't using the tag NesTea) so that could have gone either way. ThorZaIN's TvZ is way better than sLivKo's ZvT is. sLivKo all-killed LighT in the prelims, but Kawaii and binski really aren't nearly at the level that ThorZaIN is at, especially since ThorZaIN plays a different style that I think most Zergs are not as comfortable against. Out of all the match-ups, I think that this is the most one-sided. PvP on Tal'Darim Altar generally comes down to who is the better player/who goes for a non-4 Gate build. MaNa is the better player. Hasu's PvZ really only appears weak because his PvT is possibly the best in Europe and his PvP is really solid. Other than maybe ThorZaIN, Hasu might be the most balanced in his skill level in all three match-ups (MorroW's TvZ isn't his best, mainly relying on his understanding of the match-up, MaNa's vZ has improved but still isn't the best, biGs certainly has to work on his other match-ups). That being said, I think that Mouz, while they have a fairly small line-up, they have one of the deepest line-ups, especially with biGs really improving. They have two Terrans who I've never actually see play, but their five main players are five of the best players in the world. Even without MorroW, they're so good that I really do not think that they will struggle much at all. Overall, I think that Mouz's best match-up is vT (ThorZaIN, MaNa, Hasu, biGs), so the only reason why Rox.Kis would be considered "favored" against them is that Mouz is not going to get to play their best match-up. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On January 21 2012 09:26 tree.hugger wrote: This will be closer than people expect. biGs vs LiveZerg — Push ThorZaIN vs sLivko — sLivko is one of the hottest players in EU atm. This is ThorZaIN's worst MU. sLivko favored. MaNa vs fraer — MaNa is just the better player, even though it's PvP. MaNa favored. HasuObs vs Abver — PushCould go to ace; I'd guess MaNa vs sLivko if it does, with MaNa winning. sLivko is not favored against ThorZaIN. He has a 55% win rate--which is solid regardless--but the first page of his recent TvZ's is primarily players like Stephano, SEn, Ret, etc. (in other words the best foreigners). sLivko isn't even pulling a 50% W/L ratio in that match-up, and his last 40 games don't have nearly the same line-up. Granted he's played some really tough opponents (Kas, Brat_OK, Artist,etc.) but a lot of the games on there are just simply not at the same skill level of other players. At the end of the day, sLivko is a good player who has been doing well in online/smaller tournaments, whereas ThorZaIN is a contender who has consistently provided excellent games in major tournaments against the best players in the world. sLivko all-killed LighT in the qualifiers for NASTL, ThorZaIN all-killed QIM in the finals of IPLTAC. To be brutally honest, even though vT is ThorZaIN's self-proclaimed "best" match-up, I don't know that there is anybody on RoX.Kis who you could really "favor" over him other than maybe TitaN, and even then, when ThorZaIN's TvP is at it's best he could beat even the best Protoss players in the world. | ||
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Netherlands2389 Posts
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Bomkia
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