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[NASTL] Week 1 Mouz vs RoxKiS - Page 2

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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
January 20 2012 23:59 GMT
#21
will tell my guy to update that =D
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Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
January 21 2012 00:04 GMT
#22
I think today we find out that fraer is a great player, for a while he was at 90% on EU
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lykkekage
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark107 Posts
January 21 2012 00:05 GMT
#23
Well, Rox.Kis is really missing Pomi & Titan here.

Rox might take one game imo, but mouz will take it 3-0 or 3-1
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 21 2012 00:08 GMT
#24
Mana should take his. Never heard of frear.
Then HasuObs and Thorzain are favored, so is LiveZerg.
3-1 mouz.
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
January 21 2012 00:09 GMT
#25
On January 21 2012 09:05 lykkekage wrote:
Well, Rox.Kis is really missing Pomi & Titan here.

Rox might take one game imo, but mouz will take it 3-0 or 3-1


I think Slivko can take down Thorzain if he plays as solidly as he can do, I'm hoping that RoX can pull off a 3-1/3-2 :D
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TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
January 21 2012 00:18 GMT
#26
LiveZerg<biGs
Slivko>ThorZaIN
fraer>Mana
Abver<HasuObs
RoX.KIS ace (slivko)<Mouz ace (thorzain)

3-2 mouz, but very close to call indeed for ALL of the matches.
Should be good fun!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 00:32:35
January 21 2012 00:26 GMT
#27
This will be closer than people expect.

ch biGs vs [image loading] LiveZerg — Push
se ThorZaIN vs [image loading] sLivko — sLivko is one of the hottest players in EU atm. This is ThorZaIN's worst MU. sLivko favored.
[image loading] MaNa vs ua fraer — MaNa is just the better player, even though it's PvP. MaNa favored.
de HasuObs vs [image loading] Abver — Push

Could go to ace; I'd guess MaNa vs sLivko if it does, with MaNa winning.
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CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
January 21 2012 00:40 GMT
#28
Mouse. Fucking. Sports. I cannot wait to see Thorzain play.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 21 2012 02:23 GMT
#29
will livezerg down, its gonna be hard for Rox
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
January 21 2012 02:50 GMT
#30
Mouz has this
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Icekommander
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada483 Posts
January 21 2012 02:56 GMT
#31
On January 21 2012 07:51 AysiktiriX wrote:
2 EU teams dishing it out in NA time... sigh I am a big fan of mouz, and even bigger of Thorzain, but 4am starting time is a bit too much for me.


They are still doing the EU rebroadcasts, aren't they?
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 21 2012 03:04 GMT
#32
mouz prevails, could have been close, but it wasn't, props to the players!
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 03:12:01
January 21 2012 03:11 GMT
#33
On January 21 2012 11:56 Icekommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 07:51 AysiktiriX wrote:
2 EU teams dishing it out in NA time... sigh I am a big fan of mouz, and even bigger of Thorzain, but 4am starting time is a bit too much for me.


They are still doing the EU rebroadcasts, aren't they?

Yeah, they are.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 21 2012 05:08 GMT
#34
On January 21 2012 08:56 StarVe wrote:
Interesting, this could be closer than you might expect, RoxKiS got pretty good draws, the first two games are winnable for either side, PvP is volatile, though Mana is highly favored and the last game could be close, too, because HasuObs is pretty weak against Zerg.

If Pomi and Titan had been able to play instead of traveling to WCG, I would even have thought RoxKiS to be slightly favored.

MorroW being in Korea really hurts mousesports, since their lineup is not deep at all.

From what I saw of biGs in other teamleagues, his ZvT is ridiculously good (which is supported by his stats) and his other match-ups were pretty good too. LiveZerg is good, but I think that he's about the same level as biGs and certainly is not better. That being said, ZvZ is a match-up that anybody can win (assuming that one person isn't using the tag NesTea) so that could have gone either way.

ThorZaIN's TvZ is way better than sLivKo's ZvT is. sLivKo all-killed LighT in the prelims, but Kawaii and binski really aren't nearly at the level that ThorZaIN is at, especially since ThorZaIN plays a different style that I think most Zergs are not as comfortable against. Out of all the match-ups, I think that this is the most one-sided.

PvP on Tal'Darim Altar generally comes down to who is the better player/who goes for a non-4 Gate build. MaNa is the better player.

Hasu's PvZ really only appears weak because his PvT is possibly the best in Europe and his PvP is really solid. Other than maybe ThorZaIN, Hasu might be the most balanced in his skill level in all three match-ups (MorroW's TvZ isn't his best, mainly relying on his understanding of the match-up, MaNa's vZ has improved but still isn't the best, biGs certainly has to work on his other match-ups).

That being said, I think that Mouz, while they have a fairly small line-up, they have one of the deepest line-ups, especially with biGs really improving. They have two Terrans who I've never actually see play, but their five main players are five of the best players in the world. Even without MorroW, they're so good that I really do not think that they will struggle much at all. Overall, I think that Mouz's best match-up is vT (ThorZaIN, MaNa, Hasu, biGs), so the only reason why Rox.Kis would be considered "favored" against them is that Mouz is not going to get to play their best match-up.
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
January 21 2012 05:16 GMT
#35
And the score went as i predicted :D
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 05:23:41
January 21 2012 05:22 GMT
#36
On January 21 2012 09:26 tree.hugger wrote:
This will be closer than people expect.

ch biGs vs [image loading] LiveZerg — Push
se ThorZaIN vs [image loading] sLivko — sLivko is one of the hottest players in EU atm. This is ThorZaIN's worst MU. sLivko favored.
[image loading] MaNa vs ua fraer — MaNa is just the better player, even though it's PvP. MaNa favored.
de HasuObs vs [image loading] Abver — Push

Could go to ace; I'd guess MaNa vs sLivko if it does, with MaNa winning.

sLivko is not favored against ThorZaIN. He has a 55% win rate--which is solid regardless--but the first page of his recent TvZ's is primarily players like Stephano, SEn, Ret, etc. (in other words the best foreigners). sLivko isn't even pulling a 50% W/L ratio in that match-up, and his last 40 games don't have nearly the same line-up. Granted he's played some really tough opponents (Kas, Brat_OK, Artist,etc.) but a lot of the games on there are just simply not at the same skill level of other players.

At the end of the day, sLivko is a good player who has been doing well in online/smaller tournaments, whereas ThorZaIN is a contender who has consistently provided excellent games in major tournaments against the best players in the world. sLivko all-killed LighT in the qualifiers for NASTL, ThorZaIN all-killed QIM in the finals of IPLTAC.

To be brutally honest, even though vT is ThorZaIN's self-proclaimed "best" match-up, I don't know that there is anybody on RoX.Kis who you could really "favor" over him other than maybe TitaN, and even then, when ThorZaIN's TvP is at it's best he could beat even the best Protoss players in the world.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
January 21 2012 06:20 GMT
#37
Well Played, mouz. Mouz is like the best foreigner team in team leagues, lol.
Bomkia
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden48 Posts
January 21 2012 10:44 GMT
#38
Enjoyable series.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 21 2012 10:59 GMT
#39
ThorZaIN > sLivko is quite an upset considering recent form from both of them imo.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 11:16:09
January 21 2012 11:15 GMT
#40
People really thought rox had a chance considering Mousesports form in team leagues? Interesting.
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