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Please try not to bash players, casters, countries, races, users, balance, apple pie, etc. in the Live Report threads. These threads are not meant for bashing.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
January 19 2012 22:22 GMT
#2701
IEM restream on
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESL.tv Event 2
HorstSchlemmer
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany114 Posts
January 19 2012 22:23 GMT
#2702
Seems like Nightend is demanding a regame right now for the last map against Zenio because he feels like the massive lag in the big engagement decided the game in Zenios favor.

Well, it looked kind of like that when he focussed the Broodlords and targeted the Lings while it lagged...
Zenio needs to agree though and obviously he won't do that...
I3aum
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2 Posts
January 19 2012 22:24 GMT
#2703
On January 20 2012 06:58 StatorFlux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:55 Choboo wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:53 StatorFlux wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:47 Choboo wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:45 Flonomenalz wrote:
wait sorry, what exactly happened with naniwa? I missed the first group.

The lag has been really bad the whole day and for example Nightend didn't go though his group because of it. Naniwa got mad after losing his first match vs Strelok because of the lag and said he would forfeit the tournament but he later got it together and went into beast mode and just crushed WhiteRa and TITAN thus getting first in his group. All his haters are mad as fuck right now because they got so happy when he said he would forfeit


Did he say the bolded part verbatim? The only source I seen was the twitter from IEM..

Well, it's not recorded anywhere but IEM can't just have written it out of nowhere. RotterdaM also said that he heard Naniwa saying he'd forfeit so he ran to him and talked some sense to him or something like that


Yes, but if he said "I am so [expletive] mad at these computers and I won't be playing unless they get fixed"; then it is a conditional statement and not an outright "I forfeit".

What constitutes a forfeit really? A verbal one (unless it is a part of a dialogue where the organizer prompts the player if he really wants to forfeit) seems rather thin when I think about it. A no show is a forfeit, otherwise I think it should be written down...


Why?? if the technik isn't working like it should??
How can you deliver a show if the equipment doesn't work?
Its like kicking a Formula One driver cause his car didn't start.
Do you belive: show > all??
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
January 19 2012 22:26 GMT
#2704
On January 20 2012 07:23 HorstSchlemmer wrote:
Seems like Nightend is demanding a regame right now for the last map against Zenio because he feels like the massive lag in the big engagement decided the game in Zenios favor.

Well, it looked kind of like that when he focussed the Broodlords and targeted the Lings while it lagged...
Zenio needs to agree though and obviously he won't do that...


Thanks for this, I was wondering why NightEnD is still online on bnet ^^
I hope for a regame too T.T
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 19 2012 22:27 GMT
#2705
lets see what they do about this zenio/nightend situation. its only about 200dollar difference in prize money since i doubt either of these players can win their next matchup in ro8
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
January 19 2012 22:30 GMT
#2706
dissapointing that this tourny was so poorly run =/ IEM events are usually very good
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 19 2012 22:31 GMT
#2707
Woohoo, some players lose when the games are broken due to lag, Kas wins everything despite a broken leg.
forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
January 19 2012 22:32 GMT
#2708
On January 20 2012 07:24 I3aum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:58 StatorFlux wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:55 Choboo wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:53 StatorFlux wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:47 Choboo wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:45 Flonomenalz wrote:
wait sorry, what exactly happened with naniwa? I missed the first group.

The lag has been really bad the whole day and for example Nightend didn't go though his group because of it. Naniwa got mad after losing his first match vs Strelok because of the lag and said he would forfeit the tournament but he later got it together and went into beast mode and just crushed WhiteRa and TITAN thus getting first in his group. All his haters are mad as fuck right now because they got so happy when he said he would forfeit


Did he say the bolded part verbatim? The only source I seen was the twitter from IEM..

Well, it's not recorded anywhere but IEM can't just have written it out of nowhere. RotterdaM also said that he heard Naniwa saying he'd forfeit so he ran to him and talked some sense to him or something like that


Yes, but if he said "I am so [expletive] mad at these computers and I won't be playing unless they get fixed"; then it is a conditional statement and not an outright "I forfeit".

What constitutes a forfeit really? A verbal one (unless it is a part of a dialogue where the organizer prompts the player if he really wants to forfeit) seems rather thin when I think about it. A no show is a forfeit, otherwise I think it should be written down...


Why?? if the technik isn't working like it should??
How can you deliver a show if the equipment doesn't work?
Its like kicking a Formula One driver cause his car didn't start.
Do you belive: show > all??

I am not sure we understand eachother.
The whole question was: did Naniwa "really" forfeit? It seems no. And then I tried to raise the question what the rules should be surrounding a forfeit, especially since misunderstanding could arise from ambiguous language. What constitutes "really"?
Seohyun fan
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 19 2012 22:32 GMT
#2709
They need to do a regame imo.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 19 2012 22:32 GMT
#2710
On January 20 2012 07:31 StarVe wrote:
Woohoo, some players lose when the games are broken due to lag, Kas wins everything despite a broken leg.

Maybe he won because the other guys lost? And who uses their leg to play starcraft anyway?
SaSe fan club manager
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
January 19 2012 22:33 GMT
#2711
On January 20 2012 07:31 StarVe wrote:
Woohoo, some players lose when the games are broken due to lag, Kas wins everything despite a broken leg.


Kas is a baus. Hopefully he can maintain his momentum in the playoffs.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
January 19 2012 22:37 GMT
#2712
On January 20 2012 07:23 HorstSchlemmer wrote:
Seems like Nightend is demanding a regame right now for the last map against Zenio because he feels like the massive lag in the big engagement decided the game in Zenios favor.

Well, it looked kind of like that when he focussed the Broodlords and targeted the Lings while it lagged...
Zenio needs to agree though and obviously he won't do that...


oh this again.....zenio looks like the bad guy
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 19 2012 22:38 GMT
#2713
So only Nightend was affected by lag? Zenio didn't have any trouble controlling his units? Is it because he didn't complain, that people assume this is so?
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 19 2012 22:40 GMT
#2714
On January 20 2012 07:38 sitromit wrote:
So only Nightend was affected by lag? Zenio didn't have any trouble controlling his units? Is it because he didn't complain, that people assume this is so?

If you watched the game you could obviously see that Nightend could have won mutilple times if he wasn't afraid of losing everything to lag
SaSe fan club manager
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
January 19 2012 22:40 GMT
#2715
On January 20 2012 07:31 StarVe wrote:
Woohoo, some players lose when the games are broken due to lag, Kas wins everything despite a broken leg.

What does a broken leg have to do with playing SC2?

And I'm gonna lol when Kas doesn't win.
I love crazymoving
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 19 2012 22:41 GMT
#2716
On January 20 2012 06:59 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:56 wklbishop wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:50 Choboo wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:50 gullberg wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:49 Choboo wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:49 gullberg wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:47 Choboo wrote:
On January 20 2012 06:45 Flonomenalz wrote:
wait sorry, what exactly happened with naniwa? I missed the first group.

The lag has been really bad the whole day and for example Nightend didn't go though his group because of it. Naniwa got mad after losing his first match vs Strelok because of the lag and said he would forfeit the tournament but he later got it together and went into beast mode and just crushed WhiteRa and TITAN thus getting first in his group. All his haters are mad as fuck right now because they got so happy when he said he would forfeit

Sure doesn't sound biased at all lol

Do I have some sort of obligation to not be biased?

Am I saying that?

No am I saying that you were saying that?


LOLS, what?

I think he's implying your bias clouds belieavability of what you said and reading that, it's definitely hard to trust the way you word it.

You have no obligation to not be bias, but showing such blatant bias means we just don't trust your version of events.

Am I required to want you to trust my version of events?

Alice: Opinion A.
Bob: Disagreeing opinion B.
Alice: Bob is attacking my right to hold a rivaling opinion.
Bob: ....
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
January 19 2012 22:41 GMT
#2717
imo it's bad to leave the decision on the player. IEM should decide it and not Zenio, because when Zenio says no, which would be totally understandable, he will look like the bad/unsportsmanlike guy.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25339 Posts
January 19 2012 22:41 GMT
#2718
There needs to be some kind of industry standard way to deal with this, that the pros know before they go into a game.

Grubby in retrospect it seems could have asked for, and got a regame in his game, instead he lost, and his complaints were reduced in scope to a 'I register my displeasure' kind of statement.

Nightend got hamstrung more by that lag spike than Zenio, as the onus is on the Protoss player to target fire and control that composition, more so than the Zerg is. Still don't think a regame is fair on Zenio though.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Gargara
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania150 Posts
January 19 2012 22:41 GMT
#2719
On January 20 2012 07:40 Flonomenalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 07:31 StarVe wrote:
Woohoo, some players lose when the games are broken due to lag, Kas wins everything despite a broken leg.

What does a broken leg have to do with playing SC2?

And I'm gonna lol when Kas doesn't win.


A friend of mine played Fifa with the steering wheel. Maybe Kas is using pedals and manual shift.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
January 19 2012 22:43 GMT
#2720
On January 20 2012 07:40 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 07:38 sitromit wrote:
So only Nightend was affected by lag? Zenio didn't have any trouble controlling his units? Is it because he didn't complain, that people assume this is so?

If you watched the game you could obviously see that Nightend could have won mutilple times if he wasn't afraid of losing everything to lag

uh

nightend could have won earlier when it wasnt lagging. the lag had nothing to do with nightend playing ultra safe because it was game 3. he could have a-moved after he killed every infestor and laughed, but he didnt.

the lag in the battle is not conclusive to me imo, for a regame. we'll see what zenio says though... zenio was insta remaxing with a 4k/4k bank while nightend was at like 600/1-2k or something.
I love crazymoving
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