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On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him
Well, even if they beat him, Stephano's record and achievements still smash there's. They're not in his league. Both great players, but at this point Stephano is a step beyond anyone not still alive in code S.
Stephano is at that level now, you make a mistake, its over, you won't be coming back because he won't return the favor by making mistakes of his own.
He is the best of both world, he plays almost completely error free, while being able to be aggressive because of his supreme unit control and his ability to preserve his lings.
His opponents play sloppy, because they know they need to play near perfect to have a chance.
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On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him
Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play fast Muta on antigua?
Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play heavy roach/ling build on 3 bases?
Exept this cup and blizzard cup, tell me when Stephano plaid cheesy rush roach?
They seem to play sloppy because Stephano never play like that, it's unexpected 
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Stephano does a cheesey roach rush in like every tournament he's in.
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does anybody know if there will be vods or replays up?
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On January 26 2012 07:50 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play fast Muta on antigua? Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play heavy roach/ling build on 3 bases? Exept this cup and blizzard cup, tell me when Stephano plaid cheesy rush roach? They seem to play sloppy because Stephano never play like that, it's unexpected
?? I've always associated stephano's finger being taped down on the R key, especially against Protoss... And this isn't a criticism; he makes it work very well.
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On January 26 2012 07:59 edwahn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:50 Agathon wrote:On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play fast Muta on antigua? Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play heavy roach/ling build on 3 bases? Exept this cup and blizzard cup, tell me when Stephano plaid cheesy rush roach? They seem to play sloppy because Stephano never play like that, it's unexpected ?? I've always associated stephano's finger being taped down on the R key, especially against Protoss... And this isn't a criticism; he makes it work very well.
Actually, only against protoss, he very rarely goes heavy roaches against terrans (for obvious reasons xD) and in ZvZ he plays all kind of styles w/o preference (lings / blings, mutas, roach / infestor, etc)
But yeah, heavy roaches against protoss is not something Mana should have been surprised with xD
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On January 26 2012 07:50 Agathon wrote:Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play fast Muta on antigua? Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play heavy roach/ling build on 3 bases? Exept this cup and blizzard cup, tell me when Stephano plaid cheesy rush roach? They seem to play sloppy because Stephano never play like that, it's unexpected
He always used some of these variations sometimes, to diversify his gameplay in order to not be too much predictable. (like all great players do. ). Sometimes it's also situational. (like heavy glings/roach on third)
Anyways Kas not in top shape tbh.
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On January 26 2012 08:02 Ylrahc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:59 edwahn wrote:On January 26 2012 07:50 Agathon wrote:On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play fast Muta on antigua? Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play heavy roach/ling build on 3 bases? Exept this cup and blizzard cup, tell me when Stephano plaid cheesy rush roach? They seem to play sloppy because Stephano never play like that, it's unexpected ?? I've always associated stephano's finger being taped down on the R key, especially against Protoss... And this isn't a criticism; he makes it work very well. Actually, only against protoss, he very rarely goes heavy roaches against terrans (for obvious reasons xD) and in ZvZ he plays all kind of styles w/o preference (lings / blings, mutas, roach / infestor, etc) But yeah, heavy roaches against protoss is not something Mana should have been surprised with xD
He won't go exclusive roaches vs terran like he does with lings, but he certainly makes roaches against terran.
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On January 26 2012 07:50 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him Well, even if they beat him, Stephano's record and achievements still smash there's. They're not in his league. Both great players, but at this point Stephano is a step beyond anyone not still alive in code S. Stephano is at that level now, you make a mistake, its over, you won't be coming back because he won't return the favor by making mistakes of his own. He is the best of both world, he plays almost completely error free, while being able to be aggressive because of his supreme unit control and his ability to preserve his lings. His opponents play sloppy, because they know they need to play near perfect to have a chance.
It could be true but it looks like so much one sided from my point of view. For instance Kas never felt Stepahno was going to go muta whereas he dealyed his 3rd a long time on Antiga, on game 1 his decsion making was pretty questionable aswell: 3 rax push with not enough scvs (only 1 or2 ?) in the really first marines push. Mana seemed to not really play that seriously looking the minichat before the game and was not focused that much :/
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On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him
To be fair towards Kas and Mana alot of it its mental. They have played Stephano so many times and lost like 99% of them so ofcourse those matches will be in there mind. Its like Goody vs Cloud something just happends mentally.
Btw im kind of sad i missed this any1 got the vods?
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An update of the bracket on the TL thread would be much appreciated
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On January 26 2012 07:02 Choboo wrote:
french starcraft is best starcraft
That's because the french commentary you are hearing is from one of the older caster out there. He - Llewellys - and YoGo (soon to be a full-time caster if I'm not mistaken) are the solo casters in France and probably in Europe as solo-casting is a much different job than dual-casting. If you want bad french casting, you will be able to listen to the much-dreaded Pomf&Thud (who curiously have a huge fanbase) in the IronSquid tournament.
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On January 26 2012 09:43 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him To be fair towards Kas and Mana alot of it its mental. They have played Stephano so many times and lost like 99% of them so ofcourse those matches will be in there mind. Its like Goody vs Cloud something just happends mentally. Btw im kind of sad i missed this any1 got the vods?
Mana is 9-8 vs Stephano and Kas 9-13, so doubt its that.
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On January 26 2012 07:50 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him Well, even if they beat him, Stephano's record and achievements still smash there's. They're not in his league. Both great players, but at this point Stephano is a step beyond anyone not still alive in code S. Stephano is at that level now, you make a mistake, its over, you won't be coming back because he won't return the favor by making mistakes of his own. He is the best of both world, he plays almost completely error free, while being able to be aggressive because of his supreme unit control and his ability to preserve his lings. His opponents play sloppy, because they know they need to play near perfect to have a chance.
Okay, Stephano is good, but I don't believe he would be able to survive the hell that is Code A, acording to your statement Stephano is better as fOrGG, July, Bomber, LosirA, TheSTC etc. etc.
Again, he is good but he doesn't stand a chance against most of the Code A players.
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On January 27 2012 00:26 MrMercuG wrote:
Okay, Stephano is good, but I don't believe he would be able to survive the hell that is Code A, acording to your statement Stephano is better as fOrGG, July, Bomber, LosirA, TheSTC etc. etc.
Again, he is good but he doesn't stand a chance against most of the Code A players.
Could you please leave the thread and don't look back ?
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On January 26 2012 08:10 xongnox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:50 Agathon wrote:Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play fast Muta on antigua? Exept this cup, tell me when Stephano did play heavy roach/ling build on 3 bases? Exept this cup and blizzard cup, tell me when Stephano plaid cheesy rush roach? They seem to play sloppy because Stephano never play like that, it's unexpected He always used some of these variations sometimes, to diversify his gameplay in order to not be too much predictable. (like all great players do. ). Sometimes it's also situational. (like heavy glings/roach on third) Anyways Kas not in top shape tbh.
He came 3rd at IEM last week, presumably he's in decent shape.
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On January 27 2012 00:26 MrMercuG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 07:50 dsousa wrote:On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him Well, even if they beat him, Stephano's record and achievements still smash there's. They're not in his league. Both great players, but at this point Stephano is a step beyond anyone not still alive in code S. Stephano is at that level now, you make a mistake, its over, you won't be coming back because he won't return the favor by making mistakes of his own. He is the best of both world, he plays almost completely error free, while being able to be aggressive because of his supreme unit control and his ability to preserve his lings. His opponents play sloppy, because they know they need to play near perfect to have a chance. Okay, Stephano is good, but I don't believe he would be able to survive the hell that is Code A, acording to your statement Stephano is better as fOrGG, July, Bomber, LosirA, TheSTC etc. etc. Again, he is good but he doesn't stand a chance against most of the Code A players.
lol
You do know Stephano destroyed all these players in Korea right?
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On January 27 2012 00:23 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 09:43 HappyChris wrote:On January 26 2012 07:44 JohnMatrix wrote:On January 26 2012 07:42 dsousa wrote:
Everyone loses hope against Stephano. He is far an away the best foreign player right now. I can't even think who'd be 2nd to him, he's just steamrolling everyone he faces. tbh Kas and Mana played REALLY sloppy vs him To be fair towards Kas and Mana alot of it its mental. They have played Stephano so many times and lost like 99% of them so ofcourse those matches will be in there mind. Its like Goody vs Cloud something just happends mentally. Btw im kind of sad i missed this any1 got the vods? Mana is 9-8 vs Stephano and Kas 9-13, so doubt its that.
Which stats are you taking?
Stephano says 44-4 vs Mana and I know Kas havent been able to beat Stephano since summer last year
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