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Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
January 15 2012 16:45 GMT
#2221
is this bwmusic?
Im better than Stefan
Valckrie
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom533 Posts
January 15 2012 16:45 GMT
#2222
Does anyone know if the replays will be available?
Fear is a 4 letter word. Why be afraid?
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
January 15 2012 16:45 GMT
#2223
On January 16 2012 01:43 polybios wrote:
zerg can't beat mass ghost, right?

Thorzaine got totally outecoed.... Ret's army just completely died.... he just replenished it with such strong econ, thats y he won....
Oppa feeding style
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:46:29
January 15 2012 16:45 GMT
#2224
On January 16 2012 01:45 Krallman wrote:
is this bwmusic?


yes

edit: wait now it's WC2
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:46:52
January 15 2012 16:46 GMT
#2225
Why must there be argument about casting ability when we have such awesome games on? Surely this can go in a new thread entitled 'why x caster is better than y caster'. Enjoy the great zvt people! This one is shaping up very nicely, Ret adapted to Thorzain more in that last game I think

For the record: TB + Apollo rock! But even if I didn't think so, I would not bother discussing it here.
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
January 15 2012 16:46 GMT
#2226
On January 16 2012 01:43 polybios wrote:
zerg can't beat mass ghost, right?


On Shakuras they sure can't. Other maps its a bit better.
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:47:29
January 15 2012 16:46 GMT
#2227
On January 16 2012 01:42 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:


I don't believe I have to give examples, but in the event that I really have to then I will. Just for you. I never said being enthusiastic while casting is bad, I said being overly enthusiastic. Which happens pretty much every engagement in which he yells into the microphone, scrambles his words, and presents false theories of who will win based off his lack of education. Last time I watched him stream he was in silver league. If he is in gold now, the concept is the same. I appreciate his efforts too with the community. That doesn't mean he is immune to my criticism. I don't think money is an issue from someone who is partnered with YouTube, TwitchTV, runs his own website, and also funds tournaments with the aid of donations as well.


I've never heard TB scramble his words once during a big engagement. Now we know you are just a troll please go away, you are not welcome here.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
January 15 2012 16:46 GMT
#2228
The amount of gas a zerg needs to beat a terran late game is absurd. Man ghosts are cost-effective.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:48:56
January 15 2012 16:47 GMT
#2229
On January 16 2012 01:43 poorcloud wrote:
No one does it like MVP man. Hate it when people discredit MVP by saying ghosts imba. Fact is, its incredibly difficult to pull this ghost thing off....

Great play by Ret though, thorzain should attempt to finish games off before the final tier.


The thing is, it's hard to get from Marines to Ghost safely.
And even with a LOT of Ghosts, it's hard to use them to snipe efficiently. I see a lot of european trying the ghost style but often they clumped the ghost and get fungaled.
It's so important to get the money emp on the infestor before going all around sniping.

And one thing Thorzain seems to not like is Nuke harass, while it's a great way to buy you time.

On January 16 2012 01:46 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
The amount of gas a zerg needs to beat a terran late game is absurd. Man ghosts are cost-effective.


Tanks Thor Ghost Medivac + all the production is not very cheap either. :d
Ghost are not that high in gas, but they're high in mineral. That's what make it hard to get ghost without hurting the marine production.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
WaldosLonelyWife
Profile Joined December 2011
United States20 Posts
January 15 2012 16:48 GMT
#2230
On January 16 2012 01:46 betaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:42 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:


I don't believe I have to give examples, but in the event that I really have to then I will. Just for you. I never said being enthusiastic while casting is bad, I said being overly enthusiastic. Which happens pretty much every engagement in which he yells into the microphone, scrambles his words, and presents false theories of who will win based off his lack of education. Last time I watched him stream he was in silver league. If he is in gold now, the concept is the same. I appreciate his efforts too with the community. That doesn't mean he is immune to my criticism. I don't think money is an issue from someone who is partnered with YouTube, TwitchTV, runs his own website, and also funds tournaments with the aid of donations as well.


I've never heard TB scramble his words once during a big engagement. Now we know you are just a troll please go away, you are not welcome here.


That's kind of sad that it takes such a minimal effort from you to brand me as a troll. The communities love rallying behind troll hunts.
Satisfaction comes in small victories.
Baobab
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
January 15 2012 16:48 GMT
#2231
I'm loving this retro video game music he plays during the breaks, Donkey Kong, old SC, and what have you... anyone know where can I find this music??? I want to listen to it while I ladder.

Also sick game by Ret! I love seeing ghosts get molested by a rain of broodlings :D
한국어 배우고 있어요 ... 너무 어려우니까 도와주세요 ㅋㅋㅋ
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:52:32
January 15 2012 16:49 GMT
#2232
On January 16 2012 01:43 polybios wrote:
zerg can't beat mass ghost, right?


It's certainly very hard but whether it can't be beaten is up for debate.

The only player I've really ever seen convincingly beat mass ghosts was leenock vs ForGG game 1 in the the most recent GSL. Leenock did a large push with broods to reset the tank count and then remaxed on baneling/roach. Got massive baneling hits on a clump of the ghosts.

Although what ret did there might be the simplest response, just keep throwing units at them before they can build up 25+ ghosts.
gosupti
Profile Joined May 2011
France10 Posts
January 15 2012 16:50 GMT
#2233
On January 16 2012 01:42 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:37 Trowa127 wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:33 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:29 b0rt_ wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:25 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:17 DamageControL wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:15 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:08 Intricacy wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.


Choose from the following reasons:

A) Because it's our tournament.
B) Because he sacrifices his stream income for the prize pool for every SCi.
C) Because he and dApollo are a casting pair.
D) All the above.

*Please note: Everyone is entitled to their opinion with regards to my husband's casting ability/performance, however it will never affect the casting team selected for this tournament (for obvious reasons).


Like Husky said, people will hate, no matter what you do. Even if Tb was a GM player, someone would find a reason to flame.
The better way to deal with that kind of people is to ignore them.


He also offered no criticism of how his "silver league"-ness actually affects the cast. He's just saying he's bad at this game.


Being in silver league casting progamer level play is my criticism. It's irritating at times considering he makes the wrong calls, over enthusiastic, doesn't listen to what Apollo syas and will follow up essentially repeating the same things over and over because he lacks proper experience and education of the game. I never said he was horrible, I never said I didn't like him, I simply stated it should be considered, but I'm wrong since it's his event so go for it.

Your one sided thinking is evident. It's okay, If no one says anything the quality will remain the same, but that's fine because he appeals to very large audience rendering my opinions invalid. I'm sorry(but not really sorry) if I offended all of you, I thought I could openly ask a question or state my opinion without getting flamed for bad manner and what have you.


Why be such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to flame TB when it's his tournament and his money but not ok for people to flame your flame?


I was being sarcastic in my apology. I don't really care if I hurt some fans feelings. In reality I can't argue with people who are unwilling to accept valid criticism because they can't get their feelings and emotions out of the way.

My question was answered. That doesn't mean the answer is right. So no, it wasn't rhetorical.


Valid criticism? You gave no examples of when TB has made a horrible call this tournament. I also don't see why being enthusiastic whilst casting is bad. And finally, not that it matters, he isn't even silver league. I like TB because of what he does for the sc2 community, and the fact that he's growing the sc2 fan base. Surely putting 5k of your own money on the line more than makes up for some questionable calls?



I don't believe I have to give examples, but in the event that I really have to then I will. Just for you. I never said being enthusiastic while casting is bad, I said being overly enthusiastic. Which happens pretty much every engagement in which he yells into the microphone, scrambles his words, and presents false theories of who will win based off his lack of education. Last time I watched him stream he was in silver league. If he is in gold now, the concept is the same. I appreciate his efforts too with the community. That doesn't mean he is immune to my criticism. I don't think money is an issue from someone who is partnered with YouTube, TwitchTV, runs his own website, and also funds tournaments with the aid of donations as well.


doesnt this describe pretty much every casts in every sports?
Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:59:24
January 15 2012 16:50 GMT
#2234
On January 16 2012 01:48 Baobab wrote:
I'm loving this retro video game music he plays during the breaks, Donkey Kong, old SC, and what have you... anyone know where can I find this music??? I want to listen to it while I ladder.

Also sick game by Ret! I love seeing ghosts get molested by a rain of broodlings :D


It's been Warcraft 2 music these last few breaks.
And it's not exactly hard to find game music on the internet, most of it can probably even be found on youtube if you know what you're looking for.
I am here in the shadows.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 15 2012 16:50 GMT
#2235
On January 16 2012 01:48 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:46 betaman wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:42 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:


I don't believe I have to give examples, but in the event that I really have to then I will. Just for you. I never said being enthusiastic while casting is bad, I said being overly enthusiastic. Which happens pretty much every engagement in which he yells into the microphone, scrambles his words, and presents false theories of who will win based off his lack of education. Last time I watched him stream he was in silver league. If he is in gold now, the concept is the same. I appreciate his efforts too with the community. That doesn't mean he is immune to my criticism. I don't think money is an issue from someone who is partnered with YouTube, TwitchTV, runs his own website, and also funds tournaments with the aid of donations as well.


I've never heard TB scramble his words once during a big engagement. Now we know you are just a troll please go away, you are not welcome here.


That's kind of sad that it takes such a minimal effort from you to brand me as a troll. The communities love rallying behind troll hunts.


Just stop watching it if you dont like TB. Trust me you wont be missed in this thread.
Pippi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden540 Posts
January 15 2012 16:51 GMT
#2236
On January 16 2012 01:45 weiliem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:43 polybios wrote:
zerg can't beat mass ghost, right?

Thorzaine got totally outecoed.... Ret's army just completely died.... he just replenished it with such strong econ, thats y he won....


Y= why, U = you. Is it only me, or is it pretty easy to just write 2 more letters?
Toast and coffe
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
January 15 2012 16:52 GMT
#2237
On January 16 2012 01:51 Pippi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:45 weiliem wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:43 polybios wrote:
zerg can't beat mass ghost, right?

Thorzaine got totally outecoed.... Ret's army just completely died.... he just replenished it with such strong econ, thats y he won....


Y= why, U = you. Is it only me, or is it pretty easy to just write 2 more letters?


Even easier to write just 1?
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:53:28
January 15 2012 16:52 GMT
#2238
On January 16 2012 01:51 Pippi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:45 weiliem wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:43 polybios wrote:
zerg can't beat mass ghost, right?

Thorzaine got totally outecoed.... Ret's army just completely died.... he just replenished it with such strong econ, thats y he won....


Y= why, U = you. Is it only me, or is it pretty easy to just write 2 more letters?


y u no undrstnd bro. It ez 2 tlk like this!?

Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 15 2012 16:54 GMT
#2239
4 creep tumors me gusta dat spread its impressive
Forever Mirin Zyzz Son of Zeus Brother of Hercules Father of the Aesthetics
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
January 15 2012 16:54 GMT
#2240
On January 16 2012 01:47 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:43 poorcloud wrote:
No one does it like MVP man. Hate it when people discredit MVP by saying ghosts imba. Fact is, its incredibly difficult to pull this ghost thing off....

Great play by Ret though, thorzain should attempt to finish games off before the final tier.


The thing is, it's hard to get from Marines to Ghost safely.
And even with a LOT of Ghosts, it's hard to use them to snipe efficiently. I see a lot of european trying the ghost style but often they clumped the ghost and get fungaled.
It's so important to get the money emp on the infestor before going all around sniping.

And one thing Thorzain seems to not like is Nuke harass, while it's a great way to buy you time.

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:46 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
The amount of gas a zerg needs to beat a terran late game is absurd. Man ghosts are cost-effective.


Tanks Thor Ghost Medivac + all the production is not very cheap either. :d
Ghost are not that high in gas, but they're high in mineral. That's what make it hard to get ghost without hurting the marine production.


Yes but mineral collection is much easier than gas collection.
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