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Intricacy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
January 15 2012 16:21 GMT
#2181
On January 16 2012 01:18 Archybaldie wrote:
Dear Mr Total Biscuit, While im not sure wether or not you will read this but if you do, Will the replays be released?


Replay packs are always released post-tournament. You will be able to find them on the www.shoutcraft.com website. We also try to have them posted in the liquipedia as well.
Axiom Founder | SHOUTcraft America Organizer | RIP TB 1984-2018
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
January 15 2012 16:21 GMT
#2182
On January 16 2012 01:19 FaRess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:16 Fyzar wrote:
Bluh, I really dislike watching both ThorZaIN and Stephano play specific match-ups x], their turtle-y style is just extremely boring for me.


it has nothing to do with the fact they are destroying dutch players right ? yeah right.

It doesn't actually, I find it quite stupid that you bring that up.

I said the exact same when TZ was beating DarkForce yesterday so don't accuse me of any bias tyvm.
The turtle style is just not fun to watch for me, no matter which race plays it, or against who they play it.

It appears I have been chosen.
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
January 15 2012 16:22 GMT
#2183
On January 16 2012 01:20 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:16 Fyzar wrote:
Bluh, I really dislike watching both ThorZaIN and Stephano play specific match-ups x], their turtle-y style is just extremely boring for me.


To be fair, that's the best way to play the matchup when you want to win macro games now.
Moving out on 2 bases in TvZ ( like a 3 tank push ) is so risky if your push get caught. You need to advance slowly into a nice position and start working from here with a lot of macro to back it up.

Sure, but it would be nice to see some powerful timings more earlier on.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
January 15 2012 16:22 GMT
#2184
On January 16 2012 01:20 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:16 Fyzar wrote:
Bluh, I really dislike watching both ThorZaIN and Stephano play specific match-ups x], their turtle-y style is just extremely boring for me.


To be fair, that's the best way to play the matchup when you want to win macro games now.
Moving out on 2 bases in TvZ ( like a 3 tank push ) is so risky if your push get caught. You need to advance slowly into a nice position and start working from here with a lot of macro to back it up.

Yeah it might be, and I don't necessarily mean TvZ, but I just don't find it fun to watch ^^.
Not saying he shouldn't do it, if it works for him, then gogo.
It appears I have been chosen.
Archybaldie
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom818 Posts
January 15 2012 16:22 GMT
#2185
On January 16 2012 01:21 Intricacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:18 Archybaldie wrote:
Dear Mr Total Biscuit, While im not sure wether or not you will read this but if you do, Will the replays be released?


Replay packs are always released post-tournament. You will be able to find them on the www.shoutcraft.com website. We also try to have them posted in the liquipedia as well.


TY ♥ intricacy!
I'm in the bubblewrap league ... i just keep getting popped
StreetSkillz
Profile Joined April 2010
France35 Posts
January 15 2012 16:23 GMT
#2186
On January 16 2012 01:21 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:19 FaRess wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:16 Fyzar wrote:
Bluh, I really dislike watching both ThorZaIN and Stephano play specific match-ups x], their turtle-y style is just extremely boring for me.


it has nothing to do with the fact they are destroying dutch players right ? yeah right.

It doesn't actually, I find it quite stupid that you bring that up.

I said the exact same when TZ was beating DarkForce yesterday so don't accuse me of any bias tyvm.
The turtle style is just not fun to watch for me, no matter which race plays it, or against who they play it.


You should hate all protoss players except Hero for this turtle boring style.
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
January 15 2012 16:24 GMT
#2187
On January 16 2012 01:18 WiljushkA wrote:
one unlucky siege tank hit on the banelings sealed that game in thorzains favour. when ret tried to make his way up thorzain's natural if that siege tank hit a stray baneling instead of in the middle of the baneling clump ret would have won the game and looked like a genius. as it stands, he just looked bad.


Hahaha dude, you really think he didnt target fire with his tanks?
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:26:35
January 15 2012 16:24 GMT
#2188
On January 16 2012 01:22 Leetley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:20 Noocta wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:16 Fyzar wrote:
Bluh, I really dislike watching both ThorZaIN and Stephano play specific match-ups x], their turtle-y style is just extremely boring for me.


To be fair, that's the best way to play the matchup when you want to win macro games now.
Moving out on 2 bases in TvZ ( like a 3 tank push ) is so risky if your push get caught. You need to advance slowly into a nice position and start working from here with a lot of macro to back it up.

Sure, but it would be nice to see some powerful timings more earlier on.


Well, there's almost no timing left to exploit against zerg. They learned to deal with every timing attack before the 15min mark. The usual build ( 2 bases 3 hatch spire ) is so hard to abuse and Fast 3 bases cover by Hellions is so strong. Noone try risky play anymore. Even fOrGG who killed everyone in ladder with a 1base agression into 2 bases all in use a more macro opening in tournaments.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
WaldosLonelyWife
Profile Joined December 2011
United States20 Posts
January 15 2012 16:25 GMT
#2189
On January 16 2012 01:17 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:15 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:08 Intricacy wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.


Choose from the following reasons:

A) Because it's our tournament.
B) Because he sacrifices his stream income for the prize pool for every SCi.
C) Because he and dApollo are a casting pair.
D) All the above.

*Please note: Everyone is entitled to their opinion with regards to my husband's casting ability/performance, however it will never affect the casting team selected for this tournament (for obvious reasons).


Like Husky said, people will hate, no matter what you do. Even if Tb was a GM player, someone would find a reason to flame.
The better way to deal with that kind of people is to ignore them.


He also offered no criticism of how his "silver league"-ness actually affects the cast. He's just saying he's bad at this game.


Being in silver league casting progamer level play is my criticism. It's irritating at times considering he makes the wrong calls, over enthusiastic, doesn't listen to what Apollo syas and will follow up essentially repeating the same things over and over because he lacks proper experience and education of the game. I never said he was horrible, I never said I didn't like him, I simply stated it should be considered, but I'm wrong since it's his event so go for it.

Your one sided thinking is evident. It's okay, If no one says anything the quality will remain the same, but that's fine because he appeals to very large audience rendering my opinions invalid. I'm sorry(but not really sorry) if I offended all of you, I thought I could openly ask a question or state my opinion without getting flamed for bad manner and what have you.
Satisfaction comes in small victories.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 16:26 GMT
#2190
On January 16 2012 01:21 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:19 FaRess wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:16 Fyzar wrote:
Bluh, I really dislike watching both ThorZaIN and Stephano play specific match-ups x], their turtle-y style is just extremely boring for me.


it has nothing to do with the fact they are destroying dutch players right ? yeah right.

It doesn't actually, I find it quite stupid that you bring that up.

I said the exact same when TZ was beating DarkForce yesterday so don't accuse me of any bias tyvm.
The turtle style is just not fun to watch for me, no matter which race plays it, or against who they play it.



95% of European pro's play a no rush 20 minutes style unfortunately. I agree it can get pretty dull. A lot of people seem to judge the quality of a game based on the game clock in the bottom left. To me there's nothing more beautiful than seeing clean and beautiful aggressive play like say Jjakji vs Sen in GSL the other day.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 15 2012 16:29 GMT
#2191
On January 16 2012 01:25 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:17 DamageControL wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:15 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:08 Intricacy wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.


Choose from the following reasons:

A) Because it's our tournament.
B) Because he sacrifices his stream income for the prize pool for every SCi.
C) Because he and dApollo are a casting pair.
D) All the above.

*Please note: Everyone is entitled to their opinion with regards to my husband's casting ability/performance, however it will never affect the casting team selected for this tournament (for obvious reasons).


Like Husky said, people will hate, no matter what you do. Even if Tb was a GM player, someone would find a reason to flame.
The better way to deal with that kind of people is to ignore them.


He also offered no criticism of how his "silver league"-ness actually affects the cast. He's just saying he's bad at this game.


Being in silver league casting progamer level play is my criticism. It's irritating at times considering he makes the wrong calls, over enthusiastic, doesn't listen to what Apollo syas and will follow up essentially repeating the same things over and over because he lacks proper experience and education of the game. I never said he was horrible, I never said I didn't like him, I simply stated it should be considered, but I'm wrong since it's his event so go for it.

Your one sided thinking is evident. It's okay, If no one says anything the quality will remain the same, but that's fine because he appeals to very large audience rendering my opinions invalid. I'm sorry(but not really sorry) if I offended all of you, I thought I could openly ask a question or state my opinion without getting flamed for bad manner and what have you.


Your question was clearly a rhetorical one. You get answers in the same level as you post, please get off your high horse.
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
January 15 2012 16:29 GMT
#2192
On January 16 2012 01:25 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:17 DamageControL wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:15 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:08 Intricacy wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.


Choose from the following reasons:

A) Because it's our tournament.
B) Because he sacrifices his stream income for the prize pool for every SCi.
C) Because he and dApollo are a casting pair.
D) All the above.

*Please note: Everyone is entitled to their opinion with regards to my husband's casting ability/performance, however it will never affect the casting team selected for this tournament (for obvious reasons).


Like Husky said, people will hate, no matter what you do. Even if Tb was a GM player, someone would find a reason to flame.
The better way to deal with that kind of people is to ignore them.


He also offered no criticism of how his "silver league"-ness actually affects the cast. He's just saying he's bad at this game.


Being in silver league casting progamer level play is my criticism. It's irritating at times considering he makes the wrong calls, over enthusiastic, doesn't listen to what Apollo syas and will follow up essentially repeating the same things over and over because he lacks proper experience and education of the game. I never said he was horrible, I never said I didn't like him, I simply stated it should be considered, but I'm wrong since it's his event so go for it.

Your one sided thinking is evident. It's okay, If no one says anything the quality will remain the same, but that's fine because he appeals to very large audience rendering my opinions invalid. I'm sorry(but not really sorry) if I offended all of you, I thought I could openly ask a question or state my opinion without getting flamed for bad manner and what have you.


Why be such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to flame TB when it's his tournament and his money but not ok for people to flame your flame?
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 15 2012 16:31 GMT
#2193
cannot believe ret idled his lings long enough to let the 3rd of thorzain go up
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 15 2012 16:32 GMT
#2194
On January 16 2012 01:29 b0rt_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:25 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:17 DamageControL wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:15 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:08 Intricacy wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.


Choose from the following reasons:

A) Because it's our tournament.
B) Because he sacrifices his stream income for the prize pool for every SCi.
C) Because he and dApollo are a casting pair.
D) All the above.

*Please note: Everyone is entitled to their opinion with regards to my husband's casting ability/performance, however it will never affect the casting team selected for this tournament (for obvious reasons).


Like Husky said, people will hate, no matter what you do. Even if Tb was a GM player, someone would find a reason to flame.
The better way to deal with that kind of people is to ignore them.


He also offered no criticism of how his "silver league"-ness actually affects the cast. He's just saying he's bad at this game.


Being in silver league casting progamer level play is my criticism. It's irritating at times considering he makes the wrong calls, over enthusiastic, doesn't listen to what Apollo syas and will follow up essentially repeating the same things over and over because he lacks proper experience and education of the game. I never said he was horrible, I never said I didn't like him, I simply stated it should be considered, but I'm wrong since it's his event so go for it.

Your one sided thinking is evident. It's okay, If no one says anything the quality will remain the same, but that's fine because he appeals to very large audience rendering my opinions invalid. I'm sorry(but not really sorry) if I offended all of you, I thought I could openly ask a question or state my opinion without getting flamed for bad manner and what have you.


Why be such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to flame TB when it's his tournament and his money but not ok for people to flame your flame?

That's a pretty standard attitude amongst people of a less intelligent persuasion on the internet.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
January 15 2012 16:32 GMT
#2195
So pretty much a free third for Tzaihn. Strange that ret isn't checking for the greedy play, tzain has been doing it the last week.
WaldosLonelyWife
Profile Joined December 2011
United States20 Posts
January 15 2012 16:33 GMT
#2196
On January 16 2012 01:29 b0rt_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:25 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:17 DamageControL wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:15 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:08 Intricacy wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.


Choose from the following reasons:

A) Because it's our tournament.
B) Because he sacrifices his stream income for the prize pool for every SCi.
C) Because he and dApollo are a casting pair.
D) All the above.

*Please note: Everyone is entitled to their opinion with regards to my husband's casting ability/performance, however it will never affect the casting team selected for this tournament (for obvious reasons).


Like Husky said, people will hate, no matter what you do. Even if Tb was a GM player, someone would find a reason to flame.
The better way to deal with that kind of people is to ignore them.


He also offered no criticism of how his "silver league"-ness actually affects the cast. He's just saying he's bad at this game.


Being in silver league casting progamer level play is my criticism. It's irritating at times considering he makes the wrong calls, over enthusiastic, doesn't listen to what Apollo syas and will follow up essentially repeating the same things over and over because he lacks proper experience and education of the game. I never said he was horrible, I never said I didn't like him, I simply stated it should be considered, but I'm wrong since it's his event so go for it.

Your one sided thinking is evident. It's okay, If no one says anything the quality will remain the same, but that's fine because he appeals to very large audience rendering my opinions invalid. I'm sorry(but not really sorry) if I offended all of you, I thought I could openly ask a question or state my opinion without getting flamed for bad manner and what have you.


Why be such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to flame TB when it's his tournament and his money but not ok for people to flame your flame?


I was being sarcastic in my apology. I don't really care if I hurt some fans feelings. In reality I can't argue with people who are unwilling to accept valid criticism because they can't get their feelings and emotions out of the way.

My question was answered. That doesn't mean the answer is right. So no, it wasn't rhetorical.
Satisfaction comes in small victories.
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
January 15 2012 16:36 GMT
#2197
Such sloppy control from ret.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
January 15 2012 16:37 GMT
#2198
On January 16 2012 01:33 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:29 b0rt_ wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:25 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:17 DamageControL wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:15 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:08 Intricacy wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.


Choose from the following reasons:

A) Because it's our tournament.
B) Because he sacrifices his stream income for the prize pool for every SCi.
C) Because he and dApollo are a casting pair.
D) All the above.

*Please note: Everyone is entitled to their opinion with regards to my husband's casting ability/performance, however it will never affect the casting team selected for this tournament (for obvious reasons).


Like Husky said, people will hate, no matter what you do. Even if Tb was a GM player, someone would find a reason to flame.
The better way to deal with that kind of people is to ignore them.


He also offered no criticism of how his "silver league"-ness actually affects the cast. He's just saying he's bad at this game.


Being in silver league casting progamer level play is my criticism. It's irritating at times considering he makes the wrong calls, over enthusiastic, doesn't listen to what Apollo syas and will follow up essentially repeating the same things over and over because he lacks proper experience and education of the game. I never said he was horrible, I never said I didn't like him, I simply stated it should be considered, but I'm wrong since it's his event so go for it.

Your one sided thinking is evident. It's okay, If no one says anything the quality will remain the same, but that's fine because he appeals to very large audience rendering my opinions invalid. I'm sorry(but not really sorry) if I offended all of you, I thought I could openly ask a question or state my opinion without getting flamed for bad manner and what have you.


Why be such a hypocrite. It's ok for you to flame TB when it's his tournament and his money but not ok for people to flame your flame?


I was being sarcastic in my apology. I don't really care if I hurt some fans feelings. In reality I can't argue with people who are unwilling to accept valid criticism because they can't get their feelings and emotions out of the way.

My question was answered. That doesn't mean the answer is right. So no, it wasn't rhetorical.


Valid criticism? You gave no examples of when TB has made a horrible call this tournament. I also don't see why being enthusiastic whilst casting is bad. And finally, not that it matters, he isn't even silver league. I like TB because of what he does for the sc2 community, and the fact that he's growing the sc2 fan base. Surely putting 5k of your own money on the line more than makes up for some questionable calls?

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REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1903 Posts
January 15 2012 16:37 GMT
#2199
Both games thorzain had no spotter in the smoke nydus spot in his main, ret saw it both games and didn't take advantage of it :/
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 15 2012 16:38 GMT
#2200
this was a pretty weird game
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