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skrotcyk
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden432 Posts
January 15 2012 15:47 GMT
#1981
so many balance whiners when grubby just played terrible and threw the game.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 15:47 GMT
#1982
On January 16 2012 00:43 Sated wrote:
Protoss has to kill Zerg before they get to hive tech, really. That composition is impossible to deal with if the Zerg is smart enough to split up their Brood Lords so that they don't get flushed down an Archon Toilet.


Hive tech? Massive difference between hive tech and being maxed on pure infestor/brood.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
January 15 2012 15:47 GMT
#1983
On January 16 2012 00:46 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:45 SeaSwift wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:42 phyren wrote:
stephano makes me a sad zealot...


He makes most European Protosses sad Zealots. He gets roflstomped by top Korean Protosses though.


rolfstomped? who MC? thats one. And as soon stephano learn that MC never builds 3rd base he will deal with it

You should watch Stephano stream from Korea and see the top korean protoss he slaughtered tbh.

You should watch MC more often, he is one of the strongest (if not the strongest) macro protoss players. But why not end the game after 10 minuts if you can?
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
January 15 2012 15:47 GMT
#1984
On January 16 2012 00:44 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:42 WiljushkA wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:40 KalWarkov wrote:
balance ftw.


dont make balance excuses for grubby being the worse player. if you ever watched stephano playing against top korean protosses with this playstyle you'd see that they dont have any trouble dealing with it. its just that grubby's lategame management/harass/army micro is not that good.

Not balance whining but can you give show me an example? None of Stephano's games I remember vs top Korean Protosses have allowed him to reach this composition.


i don't even remember him beating top korean protosses (maybe just inori? and we know nothing about inori's pvz), he beat terrans and lucky when he was on fire, with mass ling/ultra
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
January 15 2012 15:47 GMT
#1985
On January 16 2012 00:45 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:42 phyren wrote:
stephano makes me a sad zealot...


He makes most European Protosses sad Zealots. He gets roflstomped by top Korean Protosses though.


That is because most of the time the Korean protosses force Stephano into early roaches and keeps up in bases (plus Grubby's warp prism harass can only be described as TERRIBLE/AWFUL)
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
January 15 2012 15:47 GMT
#1986
--- Nuked ---
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1987
On January 16 2012 00:45 NomiC wrote:
Zerg is a good race. Infestor good unit. Brood Lord good unit. Good thing protoss has good late game units like carriers. Oh, wait... Anyway, people who dont think the game is balanced are just QQing noobs. Its not like Protoss has nothing to deal with the zerg late game death ball.


then give us the answer, dear sir.
what do you do if your vortex (if you get one off, its not like good zergs couldnt use neural with one of their 25 infestors) doesnt hit more than 60% of the BLS cause they use their brain and split them?

just say what im supposed to do vs that army?
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1988
On January 16 2012 00:43 snIJIJzer wrote:
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On January 16 2012 00:40 KalWarkov wrote:
balance ftw.

I thought you stopped watching? Stop crying balance it's annoying as hell and stephano is clearly the better player right now.


I agree but did that series look like stephano won because he was the better player? (I think he is but npot because of that series..) Yeah... Idk maybe as a toss I cant appreciate it but to me it just looks like stephano just stalls til doomball and 1-a :/ (Not blaming him, it works, just not fun to watch)
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1989
On January 16 2012 00:45 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:42 phyren wrote:
stephano makes me a sad zealot...


He makes most European Protosses sad Zealots. He gets roflstomped by top Korean Protosses though.

first I've heard of it.
Chrian
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1472 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1990
I love this music so much
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1991
On January 16 2012 00:46 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:45 SeaSwift wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:42 phyren wrote:
stephano makes me a sad zealot...


He makes most European Protosses sad Zealots. He gets roflstomped by top Korean Protosses though.


rolfstomped? who MC? thats one. And as soon stephano learn that MC never builds 3rd base he will deal with it

You should watch Stephano stream from Korea and see the top korean protoss he slaughtered tbh.


I would say Steph's strongest MU is ZvP, I don't think I've seen him lose a ZvP series while he has laddered.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1992
On January 16 2012 00:44 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:42 WiljushkA wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:40 KalWarkov wrote:
balance ftw.


dont make balance excuses for grubby being the worse player. if you ever watched stephano playing against top korean protosses with this playstyle you'd see that they dont have any trouble dealing with it. its just that grubby's lategame management/harass/army micro is not that good.

Not balance whining but can you give show me an example? None of Stephano's games I remember vs top Korean Protosses have allowed him to reach this composition.


That's exactly how you beat it

Grubby played an absolutely terrible late game to allow Stephano to mass up so many infestor/broodlords. Against a good player, you simply don't get to sit around till you have the spare 10,000 gas for that unit composition.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1993
This music is awesome! What is it ? =)
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1994
On January 16 2012 00:45 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:43 snIJIJzer wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:40 KalWarkov wrote:
balance ftw.

I thought you stopped watching? Stop crying balance it's annoying as hell and stephano is clearly the better player right now.


how is stephano the better player right now?
i dont see a difference at all.

both stay passive and macro, grubby even gets a lead after the first skirmishes guess what happens: Army A is unbeatable to Army B.


Grubby is worse because he lost late game ZvP while in a lead.

Have you not seen how every zerg for the last few months gets raped from archon + mothership + HT (storm on the infested terran eggs/balls)
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1995
I will root so much for Thorzain because Ret is just a Macro cheeser. all he does is mass drones early on and he wins if the enemie does not kill him then. All the games i saw when the opponent did a 2base push or allin he lost.

Funny how many people think he is good because they cant believe how fast his drone count builds up.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1996
On January 16 2012 00:46 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:45 SeaSwift wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:42 phyren wrote:
stephano makes me a sad zealot...


He makes most European Protosses sad Zealots. He gets roflstomped by top Korean Protosses though.


rolfstomped? who MC? thats one. And as soon stephano learn that MC never builds 3rd base he will deal with it

You should watch Stephano stream from Korea and see the top korean protoss he slaughtered tbh.

No one cares about ladder. MC is the only top Protoss he's faced in a tournament and he's been raped everytime.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 15:49:09
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1997
On January 16 2012 00:42 Manimal_pro wrote:
next balance patch i feel will address either fungal growth again or infested terran DPS
Lol. All the best casting units (infestor, ghost, HT) produce variable results, because it's very 1-on-1 and they can be shut down pretty hard, so it depends greatly on control and composition. Sometimes they seem to perform incredibly well, but that's because sometimes they lose games outright.

edit: YAY WARCRAFT II music!!
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1998
On January 16 2012 00:46 Tarotis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:45 NomiC wrote:
Zerg is a good race. Infestor good unit. Brood Lord good unit. Good thing protoss has good late game units like carriers. Oh, wait... Anyway, people who dont think the game is balanced are just QQing noobs. Its not like Protoss has nothing to deal with the zerg late game death ball.

What do they have to deal with it?


Archon toliet? Whenever archon toliet beats infestor brood comp everyone bitches about archon toliet. Everytime Infestor Brood beats a late game protoss comp everyone bitches about infestor brood.
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
January 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#1999
On January 16 2012 00:48 WArped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:46 HappyChris wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:45 SeaSwift wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:42 phyren wrote:
stephano makes me a sad zealot...


He makes most European Protosses sad Zealots. He gets roflstomped by top Korean Protosses though.


rolfstomped? who MC? thats one. And as soon stephano learn that MC never builds 3rd base he will deal with it

You should watch Stephano stream from Korea and see the top korean protoss he slaughtered tbh.


I would say Steph's strongest MU is ZvP, I don't think I've seen him lose a ZvP series while he has laddered.

Grubby and MaNa take games from him regularly
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 15:49:53
January 15 2012 15:49 GMT
#2000
Nice WC music!
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