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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.

In addition leave the usual out of this topic:

-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions

Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
upon. Enjoy the free and wonderful event with loads of games and coverage!
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 23:58:09
November 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#5801
I feel like the large number of tosses on ro16 was caused by the fact that I think the protoss lineup in this tournament was stronger than that for the other races.

I think there are only 3 really strong terrans (Puma, Thorzain, Select) in this tournament, and 2 of them are already out.

For zerg, there are DRG, Idra who had a disappointing run, Sen who got eliminated due to hard group, Sheth, Stephano who flopped and Ret.

For P, there are already 4 GSL quality players (HerO, HuK, Naniwa, Genius). Then there is the very impressive SaSe, WhiteRa who got relatively easy groups, ToD, and Mana. Additionally Nightend and Seiplo got in due to a surpirsingly good run in the tournament.

Anyway, I am so hyped for the tournament ^^ SaSe fighting!
If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
nakor
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada19 Posts
November 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#5802
On November 26 2011 08:56 Thalimunrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 08:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 08:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 26 2011 08:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:46 Fionn wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.

Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race?

Shocking, I know.


But they have mules!

And we also have scan - my favorite argument is when people simultaneously complain about scan and mules without considering that if you scan you dont have a mule --


That's how P feels when T tells us that we can both chrono-boost probes to keep up with mules and chrono-boost double forge upgrades

When protoss players stop sitting with full energy nexii I will take this dilemma seriously.

Are you balance whining?


How does suggesting P players spend their chronoboost equate to balance whining :|
Valar Morghulis
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
November 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#5803
On November 26 2011 08:54 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 08:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:46 Fionn wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.

Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race?

Shocking, I know.


But they have mules!

And we also have scan - my favorite argument is when people simultaneously complain about scan and mules without considering that if you scan you dont have a mule --


Its a lack of understanding of how the game works at a high level, because the GSL has high level terrans, terran is op. Nothing you can do about it.

I feel like this game illustrated how much worse ghosts are now against a templar based protoss. , its a difficult mechanic to balance unfortunately (no im not saying its ghosts are useless either they obviously still work). I think some top tier korean mutlitask in the situation Happy was in is really the only way to break Tod. But I can see why he was unwilling to shear anything away from his main army.


The thing is the matchups don't have to be 50:50 for SC2 to be "balanced".
If terran is at a slight disadvantage that doesn't mean that blizzard _has_ to patch the game asap if it gets equaled out. there is no 50:50 matchup in BW.

On November 26 2011 08:55 AIOL! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 08:51 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
So glad to see Kas knocked out! Never liked him.

Hero to win it all!!!



This thread needs moderation =(


Mods fell asleep, blame Happy and Tod.
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 23:58:30
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5804
lol the trolling is getting out of control, on the stream and in this thread.
lotny
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland154 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5805
mana vs nerchio, are you kidding me :/
N1k0
Profile Joined June 2011
Uruguay1075 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5806
hahahah
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5807
Holy shit DRG Naniwa
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5808
for group drawings, go here:
http://dreamhack.binarybeast.com/xSC211111011
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
V1ctor
Profile Joined March 2011
Moldova1645 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5809
Brackets are up! DRG vs Naniwa rematch!! Hell yeah!
Marke
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden279 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5810
drg vs naniwa so early
Det är inte lätt när det är svårt
MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5811
On November 26 2011 08:57 TheDougler wrote:
Hey guys, I'm trying my damndest not to spoil myself because I had to leave 40 minutes into that epic TvP between Happy and... was ToD the protoss I believe? Anyway, where will I be able to find the vods at when they're up... and how long will it likely take them to get the vods up? If anyone is truely awesome please PM me the info as I don't trust myself to look through the LR thread (I mean sure, I'm guessing Happy won. ToD looked like he had no clue what he could do other than move his deathball around a bit, but I'd like to watch it anyway).


It's going to be uploaded on Day9's YouTube channel I believe he said.
"Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know." - Liquid`Jinro
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5812
lol, Epic sax guy playing now.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
rtem
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland54 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5813
rickrolled by the stream O.o
Tezzick
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada187 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5814
On November 26 2011 08:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 08:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 26 2011 08:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:46 Fionn wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:39 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 26 2011 07:38 Micket wrote:
Just saying, Terrans have often complained about 'imbalance' when match ups have gotten closer to 50%. So, seeing Terran tears is often a good sign! Having said that, foreigner Terrans sure never win anything. Really wonder why they can't do as well as the Koreans whilst the foreign P and Z can at least compete.

Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race?

Shocking, I know.


But they have mules!

And we also have scan - my favorite argument is when people simultaneously complain about scan and mules without considering that if you scan you dont have a mule --


That's how P feels when T tells us that we can both chrono-boost probes to keep up with mules and chrono-boost double forge upgrades

When protoss players stop sitting with full energy nexii I will take this dilemma seriously.

But but if protoss wants to keep up with terran economy, we have to sacrifice army supply for probes...
But I really don't know anything. I don't even play the game.
;D
"I'm a monster" - Buster
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
November 25 2011 23:58 GMT
#5815
LOOL mana vs nerchio : ((( makes me sad panda : (
DeMusliM !!!
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
November 25 2011 23:59 GMT
#5816
On November 26 2011 08:57 andytb wrote:
Tried to live stream the draw but mobile twitch kept dropping, matches are

10:00
White ra vs Naama
Nightend vs sase

11:00
Drg vs Naniwa
Puma vs genius

12:00
Seiplo vs HuK
Sheth vs hero

13:00
Nerchio vs mana
Ret vs ToD

Tytyty now to bed!

You are kidding? Nani gets DRG AGAIN?!?!?! So unfair...
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4747 Posts
November 25 2011 23:59 GMT
#5817
Drg, Naniwa, Puma and Genius for one semi-final spot... ouch. Hero won't make it out of the lower bracket, so I believe we will have one foreigner in the finals.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
November 25 2011 23:59 GMT
#5818
On November 26 2011 08:58 Integra wrote:
for group drawings, go here:
http://dreamhack.binarybeast.com/xSC211111011

col AND a liquid teamkill first round, ouch.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 25 2011 23:59 GMT
#5819
Oh yes DRG vs Naniwa! Can't wait to see Naniwa get his ass handed to him.

Also, surprisingly few PvP's for a random draw.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
November 25 2011 23:59 GMT
#5820
On November 26 2011 08:58 V1ctor wrote:
Brackets are up! DRG vs Naniwa rematch!! Hell yeah!


aw shit
and sase + naniwa on same side of the bracket
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