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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.

In addition leave the usual out of this topic:

-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions

Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
upon. Enjoy the free and wonderful event with loads of games and coverage!
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
November 25 2011 16:03 GMT
#2901
Seriously we need TLO to cast WAY more often he is amazing
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
November 25 2011 16:03 GMT
#2902
Naama did his homework and planned his games carefully, that's why he won.
Look at his third expansion timing in the second game.

The casters were sceptical about it and were focused too much on Thorzain's upgrades and sweet unit control, but Naama knew that when Thorzain feels in advantage he tends to be passive to consolidate.
He just needed to harass more to make Thorzain believe that he was about to allin (or just to keep him in his base for about 5 minutes), and then get more and more ahead with his macro.
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
November 25 2011 16:03 GMT
#2903
TLO is a boss. Really good commentator.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Strammefar
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark44 Posts
November 25 2011 16:03 GMT
#2904
I'm growing a beard just to look like TLO man
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
November 25 2011 16:04 GMT
#2905
On November 26 2011 01:00 Tommylew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 00:54 doko100 wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:52 ZAiNs wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:50 doko100 wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:47 Tommylew wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:41 Pooch wrote:
Look at all them protoss making it through, and still 2 more groups with garenteed toss outcome,
DISCUSS!
sad to see EG scrap it out
Stephano why u no like money anymore?

discuss what exactly? I would of put my house and so would many others that nani and HuK would both get through, im actually disapointed they didnt win their group... Genius was always favourite of his group and well sarens and deathangel arent great.

Like the next groups to come up next Sase is miles the better player in his group and Hero should be abel to get through his group eve thought both SeN and DRG could just as well get through. The last groups ToD is also a massive favourite while white-ra on form can beat the other two but I cant see it. The last group It will be Kas and Mana even though pvp anythign can happen and it only take kas to play abd in two sets and hes out.




So... Protoss loses: "P up"
Protoss wins: "P players are just better."

Interesting.

Normally I'd agree with you, but the Protoss players at Dreamhack really are way better than the Terrans or Zergs. Count the number of players from each race who live in Korea.



Oh you mean like back at the early MLG's where 90% of the korean players were terran and everyone complained that terran is OP? It's hypocritical. Back when terran koreans won foreign tournaments it's clearly because terran is just OP. Now that protoss dominates tournaments it's because protoss players are simply better. How amusing.


perhaps you should stop balance whining and grow a pair. Im comparing it to the fact of the 4 protosses who have qualifed so far only one I didnt think would get through. I also predicted sheth wouldnt go through and Stepahno would. Im saying my OWN opinion. IN the remaingin groups I cant actually see White-ra get through but I can see ToD. I was wrong in rrepvious post SaSe I think is better then nerchio, im not writing Nerchio off hes goign to come second in the group.. and if he plays well he can beat SaSe but I still think SaSe is better then both Daboo and Select(who can be hot and cold) if Select is hot and Nerchio plays well the is every chance SaSe wont get through, my opinion thought is SaSe will go through... Same as Group F I want Hero and think hero will doit after a decent run at MLG, but DRG is the favourite in that group and Sen can ebat anyone too but I have a feeling Hero will beat Sen and beat elfi in PVP. PLus I also think KAS will come top of a 3 other Protoss group so im not ebing biased towards Protoss at all.


he's not talking about ur view

hes talking bout the community tendency to say P losing = sad zealot
and while P winning = good player


which i also thought exactly the same
-Terran-
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
November 25 2011 16:04 GMT
#2906
On November 26 2011 01:03 Fragile51 wrote:
Aaaaaaaand now all of the streams went black. Anyone else have the same problem?


Nope, but there is a 30 min break before the next match so you have plenty of time to fix that
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
November 25 2011 16:04 GMT
#2907
Holy shit what happened to Stephano? Is he ill or something? :O
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 25 2011 16:04 GMT
#2908
Such interesting perspectives some people have.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 25 2011 16:04 GMT
#2909
On November 26 2011 01:02 Poisonblack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 00:58 maybelunarox wrote:
well naama's got pretty strong 1 base play. He did win last year's DH Winter 1basing.


Someone didn't watch DH Winter 2010. He played amazing macro games as well especially in the epic finals

Yeah, and that's especially unfair as everyone was one basing one year ago anyway. It was the prime of bitbybit ffs. And Rain.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2974 Posts
November 25 2011 16:04 GMT
#2910
On November 26 2011 01:03 hifriend wrote:
Thorzain really hasn't played that well this DH.. But naama, such a terribly boring "harrharrrarr pull scv all in" terran. Sorry he gets to advance.


Thorzain didn't really bother to prepare for this tourney. I think he entered it just coasting on play mediocre and seeing how far he would go. Thorzain needs to pull a Naniwa and go 15+ hour a day training for a while then come back for a big tourney destroying everyone.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 16:06:43
November 25 2011 16:04 GMT
#2911
On November 26 2011 01:00 Tommylew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 00:54 doko100 wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:52 ZAiNs wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:50 doko100 wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:47 Tommylew wrote:
On November 26 2011 00:41 Pooch wrote:
Look at all them protoss making it through, and still 2 more groups with garenteed toss outcome,
DISCUSS!
sad to see EG scrap it out
Stephano why u no like money anymore?

discuss what exactly? I would of put my house and so would many others that nani and HuK would both get through, im actually disapointed they didnt win their group... Genius was always favourite of his group and well sarens and deathangel arent great.

Like the next groups to come up next Sase is miles the better player in his group and Hero should be abel to get through his group eve thought both SeN and DRG could just as well get through. The last groups ToD is also a massive favourite while white-ra on form can beat the other two but I cant see it. The last group It will be Kas and Mana even though pvp anythign can happen and it only take kas to play abd in two sets and hes out.




So... Protoss loses: "P up"
Protoss wins: "P players are just better."

Interesting.

Normally I'd agree with you, but the Protoss players at Dreamhack really are way better than the Terrans or Zergs. Count the number of players from each race who live in Korea.



Oh you mean like back at the early MLG's where 90% of the korean players were terran and everyone complained that terran is OP? It's hypocritical. Back when terran koreans won foreign tournaments it's clearly because terran is just OP. Now that protoss dominates tournaments it's because protoss players are simply better. How amusing.


perhaps you should stop balance whining and grow a pair. Im comparing it to the fact of the 4 protosses who have qualifed so far only one I didnt think would get through. I also predicted sheth wouldnt go through and Stepahno would. Im saying my OWN opinion. IN the remaingin groups I cant actually see White-ra get through but I can see ToD. I was wrong in rrepvious post SaSe I think is better then nerchio, im not writing Nerchio off hes goign to come second in the group.. and if he plays well he can beat SaSe but I still think SaSe is better then both Daboo and Select(who can be hot and cold) if Select is hot and Nerchio plays well the is every chance SaSe wont get through, my opinion thought is SaSe will go through... Same as Group F I want Hero and think hero will doit after a decent run at MLG, but DRG is the favourite in that group and Sen can ebat anyone too but I have a feeling Hero will beat Sen and beat elfi in PVP. PLus I also think KAS will come top of a 3 other Protoss group so im not ebing biased towards Protoss at all.



Oh come on now. The amount of balance whine by protoss players back when they lost so much was unreal and now as soon as someone just mentions the fact that protoss is not that unsuccesful anymore you just call them out and tell them to "gtfo" because protoss players are just better. Maybe you now know what it felt like for us terrans back when korean terrans won every MLG and people blamed balance for it.

And this community is incredibly biased toward protoss, they even have their own fanclub where they complain about how underpowered their race is, but as soon as a terran ever complains they get insulted and called out by like 20 people. This community is full of hypocrites and you know it. The mods don't allow balance whine? Then why is there a fanclub or even articles that complain about protoss being oh so underpowered? It's ridiculous and you all know it.
Warpish
Profile Joined June 2011
834 Posts
November 25 2011 16:05 GMT
#2912
On November 26 2011 01:03 hifriend wrote:
Thorzain really hasn't played that well this DH.. But naama, such a terribly boring "harrharrrarr pull scv all in" terran. Sorry he gets to advance.


I'm sad for Thorzain, but we must admit that Naama's super agressive style works.
F-Decoy
Profile Joined June 2011
France245 Posts
November 25 2011 16:05 GMT
#2913
On November 26 2011 01:03 Fragile51 wrote:
Aaaaaaaand now all of the streams went black. Anyone else have the same problem?

Some streams are off during waiting times. Next matches at in 30min.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 25 2011 16:05 GMT
#2914
On November 26 2011 01:04 Kilby wrote:
Holy shit what happened to Stephano? Is he ill or something? :O



A good player is allowed to have a bad showing every once in a while. His group was pretty tough.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 25 2011 16:05 GMT
#2915
this tournament is like copenhagen 2.0
Stork[gm]
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
November 25 2011 16:06 GMT
#2916
Who's up next, eh?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 25 2011 16:06 GMT
#2917
I just wanna watch group F already
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 25 2011 16:07 GMT
#2918
On November 26 2011 01:05 F-Decoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 01:03 Fragile51 wrote:
Aaaaaaaand now all of the streams went black. Anyone else have the same problem?

Some streams are off during waiting times. Next matches at in 30min.


Ah, i see. Thanks :D
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
November 25 2011 16:07 GMT
#2919
On November 26 2011 01:05 Warpish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 01:03 hifriend wrote:
Thorzain really hasn't played that well this DH.. But naama, such a terribly boring "harrharrrarr pull scv all in" terran. Sorry he gets to advance.


I'm sad for Thorzain, but we must admit that Naama's super agressive style works.

I know it works, he's actually pretty good. But thorzain playing at his best is about a thousand times more interesting to watch than naama executing his 1 base timings like some sort of robot. qq.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
November 25 2011 16:08 GMT
#2920
On November 26 2011 01:06 Fruscainte wrote:
Who's up next, eh?


Probably Group E and F

Group E
1. SaSe
2. SeleCT
3. Nerchio
4. DaBoO

Group F
1. Sen
2. elfi
3. DongRaeGu
4. HerO
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