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- riptide
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8301
On November 20 2011 10:24 kofman wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:23 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On November 20 2011 10:22 Logros wrote:
On November 20 2011 10:21 Asha` wrote:
Disgusting seeing MVP lose toa blind all in like this despite being so incredibly prepared for it.

MC pretty damn lucky.

MVP made his 3rd CC almost at the same time as MC's 2nd nexus. If he would've gone a normal build he would've been fine.

This EXACTLY. A greedy build losing to an All-in? Must be unfair! Either that or MC played GREAT.

Greedy build??? He had FOUR BUNKERS! Plus, he walled off with depots, had great repair, and had stim. What else does he need?


More army units, his army production paled in comparison to MC's. 4 Bunkers won't stop that attack without army reinforcements.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8302
On November 20 2011 10:23 Nocteo wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:23 Legend` wrote:
On November 20 2011 10:22 kofman wrote:
4 bunkers, stim depot wall-offs, and he still can't stop a 6-gate... this is ridiculous.


Fast medivacs is the hard counter to 6gate, not a double command center + delayed tech build



With fast medivacs you won't have enough units to hold it.


Yes you would. He went 3 CC before even building his 2nd rax or getting gas. Think how much that delays your tech.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8303
On November 20 2011 10:24 kofman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 10:23 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On November 20 2011 10:22 Logros wrote:
On November 20 2011 10:21 Asha` wrote:
Disgusting seeing MVP lose toa blind all in like this despite being so incredibly prepared for it.

MC pretty damn lucky.

MVP made his 3rd CC almost at the same time as MC's 2nd nexus. If he would've gone a normal build he would've been fine.

This EXACTLY. A greedy build losing to an All-in? Must be unfair! Either that or MC played GREAT.

Greedy build??? He had FOUR BUNKERS! Plus, he walled off with depots, had great repair, and had stim. What else does he need?

Did you not see the 3rd orbital?

delayed his medivac/factory tech by a lot.

you guys wonder why he loses.....
liftlift > tsm
kofman
Profile Joined August 2011
Andorra698 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 01:26:41
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8304
Its crazy how when MVP loses to a timing attack that he prepared for perfectly, people just say "he played greedy", while whenever Toss loses to 111 or 3 rax or anything like that, its immediatly imba.
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8305
MC after beating MVP.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
ritzia1
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada95 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8306
On November 20 2011 10:24 scaban84 wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:23 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, this game made me so angry as a terran player. what more could mvp have done in terms of defense? how are you actually supposed to hold an attack like this one?

id be really curious for higher level players in here explaining to me what mvp did wrong that game....

He played greedy by going for a third CC. He had no Siege Tanks.


Tanks aren't what you want, once medivacs hit protoss pretty much auto losses in a 6 gate allin situation. Mvp lost that game, because of the early CC and double ebay.
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8307
No gif, but hopefully this will tide you all over ;o
[image loading]
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
McMonty
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada379 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8308
On November 20 2011 10:24 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:23 Eppa! wrote:
On November 20 2011 10:23 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, this game made me so angry as a terran player. what more could mvp have done in terms of defense? how are you actually supposed to hold an attack like this one?

id be really curious for higher level players in here explaining to me what mvp did wrong that game....

Try to scout?

And do what in response?Make 10 bunkers?That game was 100% unreasonable, period, period.


A good response would not be to build 3 command centers.
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8309
I guess I didnt see the 3rd cc by mvp. That game makes sense now. Also this outcome sucks for idra.
Vehemus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States586 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8310
On November 20 2011 10:24 Goshdarnit wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:22 tuho12345 wrote:
Fuck yes MC, punish that greedy terran


Greedy? did he need 5 bunkers? oh wait that wouldnt have helped. He need medivacs or tanks but how could he have gotten them?
I actually don't know what should MvP have done? I dont' play T.


What should he have done? Not go triple CC in the first five minutes against 6+ gate timings.

As little as I like watching a six gate with guardian shield and forcefields roll over a Terran player in a ten minute game, there has to be some build that can counter a Terran going triple early command center.
This space for rent.
vOkk
Profile Joined June 2010
Belgium576 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8311
On November 20 2011 10:24 Goshdarnit wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:22 tuho12345 wrote:
Fuck yes MC, punish that greedy terran


Greedy? did he need 5 bunkers? oh wait that wouldnt have helped. He need medivacs or tanks but how could he have gotten them?
I actually don't know what should MvP have done? I dont' play T.


he had 3 cc at 6min mark and 1 rax, thats not greedy for u?
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8312
On November 20 2011 10:25 babylon wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:21 Asha` wrote:
Disgusting seeing MVP lose to a blind all in like this despite being so incredibly prepared for it.

MC pretty damn lucky.

MVP threw down two CCs early, dude.

If a Protoss can't punish that, then I'd just throw up my hands and quit this game. And I play Terran.


The better question is, why does he feel the need to throw down 2 ccs and 2 eng bays?
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8313
On November 20 2011 10:24 EEhantiming wrote:
MC vs MVP

Poll: Recommend Game 3?

Yes (64)
 
63%

No (25)
 
25%

If you have time (13)
 
13%

102 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time




abso-fucking-lutely if that includes the ceremony! :D
Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8314
On November 20 2011 10:24 Hall0wed wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:22 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hey look, more cheese.


Hey look more tears!!!

MMMMM so yummy and so salty. Keep em flowing son!


I wonder how much rage this would have generated if a terran did this about 111.
iLike413
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada100 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8315
On November 20 2011 10:23 Al Bundy wrote:
TvP is MVP's worst matchup, while MC is one of the best Protosses in the world. This outcome isn't that surprising.

Nope, considering the history between MVP and MC, this is HUGELY surprising. Blanket statements and generalizations are bad.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8316
Lol guys, MVP lost that because he went super greedy with an early 3rd. Had the medevacs have been earlier(He delayed them IIRC, normally when 1 rax FE its 3 rax, then medevacs or 4 rax and push out with marines) he would have done much much better.

No Imba, MVP was kinda greedy and he almost held it. I think that with more Bunkers he could have held it much better
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 01:27:35
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8317
On November 20 2011 10:23 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, this game made me so angry as a terran player. what more could mvp have done in terms of defense? how are you actually supposed to hold an attack like this one?

id be really curious for higher level players in here explaining to me what mvp did wrong that game....


It's not so much what MVP did wrong, it's what MC did right.
MVP played really greedy and MC made use of that with a perfect timing push.
If MC would have attacked 2 minutes later MVP's third CC would have been paid off and MVP would have had enough units.
MVP took a risk and paid for it.
That attack wasn't about 'what should he have done more' at all
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8318
On November 20 2011 10:26 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:25 Grettin wrote:
My god..

MC vs IdrA
DongRaeGu vs MMA
NaNiwa vs NesTea
HerO vs HuK

Holy fuck. Such good games this MLG


Yep, and i'm already out of beer and everything else. It's not even championship sunday yet. T_T
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8319
On November 20 2011 10:24 kofman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 10:23 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On November 20 2011 10:22 Logros wrote:
On November 20 2011 10:21 Asha` wrote:
Disgusting seeing MVP lose toa blind all in like this despite being so incredibly prepared for it.

MC pretty damn lucky.

MVP made his 3rd CC almost at the same time as MC's 2nd nexus. If he would've gone a normal build he would've been fine.

This EXACTLY. A greedy build losing to an All-in? Must be unfair! Either that or MC played GREAT.

Greedy build??? He had FOUR BUNKERS! Plus, he walled off with depots, had great repair, and had stim. What else does he need?


I'm Terran, and I don't think four bunkers should make you impervious to everything. Protoss can counter bunker repairing with forcefields, which is why you can't rely on that.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
November 20 2011 01:26 GMT
#8320
On November 20 2011 10:26 Adreme wrote:
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On November 20 2011 10:25 Zorgaz wrote:
IdrA NEEDS to win this. I can't stand seeing him lose to himself against MC again.... ^^


I think Idra has lost to MC in almost every single tournament they have both been in.


Idras mindset has super improved now. I don't think MC can force Idra into a tilt this time.
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