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On November 16 2011 20:15 Lunchador wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 20:12 Azzur wrote: For those wondering why MC couldn't hold his natural even though he did a 3-gate expand was because he took his 2nd gas too early. Maybe he was trying to rely on FFs but the natural is too open for that. Instead, he could've done a 1-gas 3-gate expand and using zealots, hold off that initial sC attack. And very early robo too. Very low gateway unit count. Standard three gate expand will normally WRECK 2-rax pressure, believe me!
Thx for both inputs! Very helpful, at least for a protoss scrub like me xD
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United States97274 Posts
reaper ghost? sounds cool
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Something had to be done about CoCa. If you watch the game you will see that CoCa wins super convincingly and right after he smashes the final Byun army he ggs. Nobody would care if they had kept the fixing to themselves but if your going to blatantly break the rules of competition than something harsh has to be done or else viewers and sponsors could be lost Stop complaining about it being too harsh, CoCa and Byun are only on temporary suspension and we will very likely see them again in a few months.
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Wow, reaper/ghost out of 1rax expand.
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Ghost'n'reaper - the new hotness.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 20:21 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 20:21 Drazerk wrote:MVP vs JjakjiMap is crossfire In the bottom left is MVP While in the top right is JJakji 2:20
both players getting barracks + gas 3:00Tech lab for JJ Both players getting an orbital 3:40Reaper on the way for JJ Factory and a second gas for MVP 4:20Command centre on the way for JJ along with a ghost academy
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Starport + tech lab on the way for MVP
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On November 16 2011 20:21 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 20:15 Mithridates wrote:On November 16 2011 20:15 Mithridates wrote:On November 16 2011 20:12 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On November 16 2011 20:12 s3rp wrote:On November 16 2011 20:09 Mithridates wrote:On November 16 2011 20:07 rushian wrote:On November 16 2011 20:06 OMGKEI wrote: Sigh when will MC learn and change up his style...he had plenty of time to improve.. It's not style. He just isn't playing as well as the newer protosses. His unit control hasn't improved as it should and he's been passed by players who have improved This so called better newer protoss havent won anything yet. They are struggling code A Again its just HYpetosis. I love themn but they are really overhyping the new Toss. They are still losing to the same stuff that the older protoss do. They rip on MC for taking risks but when SAGE coinflip rushes a 6 DT drop all the sudden hes a tactical genius Oz and Puzzle played ALOT better then MC and got into Ro8 , Huk and Killer also looked better to be frank. Huk didn't look good at all in the Ro16... Again its just HYpetosis. I love themn but they are really overhyping the new Toss. They are still losing to the same stuff that the older protoss do. They rip on MC for taking risks but when SAGE coinflip rushes a 6 DT drop all the sudden hes a tactical genius 6 DT drop isn't much of a risk when you know you & your opponent have expanded and you only have to defend a choke. There aren't many (any? maybe ghost) timings/all-ins where you're just like "well fuck" and die (unless they have 6 scans saved when you warp in your DT's). People get pissy at MC because he would 6-7gate every PvZ, go nexus first/random all-in every PvT and 4gate in PvP (not that there was any other choice back then). That's pretty different from a much more technical harass play like warp prism DT drop on 2base.
No need to get technical its just an example of Ps playing risky just like MC does. And what u described IS the P metagame so its quite obvious that every other Protoss are trying to emulate MC
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 20:23 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 20:21 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 20:21 Drazerk wrote:MVP vs JjakjiMap is crossfire In the bottom left is MVP While in the top right is JJakji 2:20
both players getting barracks + gas 3:00Tech lab for JJ Both players getting an orbital 3:40Reaper on the way for JJ Factory and a second gas for MVP 4:20Command centre on the way for JJ along with a ghost academy 5:10Starport + tech lab on the way for MVP
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JJ loses two reapers easily to the hellions / marines
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On November 16 2011 20:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 20:22 Pipeline wrote:On November 16 2011 20:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 16 2011 20:17 Pipeline wrote: Artosis makes me so disappointed. He said he didnt want to comment on PPSL and Gus because "his tournament was just awesome great, bla bla bla" and now he comments freely of the Byun and Coca scandal without any additional info. What a douche Um, he has to explain why one of his players isn't actually playing in his own tournament. You think they're not going to mention Coca as he doesn't play in the games they're casting? Way to call him a douche when the situations are completely different lol. Just makes you look silly. There is NO connection with the Korean Weekly with the new GSL system at all. So how the BEEP is it related to the GSL? The only thing is player image. There was something else about Mr Chae being upset about profanity in a broadcasted match as well
Judging from Mr.Chaes statement he seemed mostly upset about the amount of profanity in a televised match. And it was 100% Byun who used profanity
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Go ahead and build that bunker, mvp...go ahead =)
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Reaper ---> Ghost - really?
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On November 16 2011 20:22 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 20:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 16 2011 20:17 Pipeline wrote: Artosis makes me so disappointed. He said he didnt want to comment on PPSL and Gus because "his tournament was just awesome great, bla bla bla" and now he comments freely of the Byun and Coca scandal without any additional info. What a douche Um, he has to explain why one of his players isn't actually playing in his own tournament. You think they're not going to mention Coca as he doesn't play in the games they're casting? Way to call him a douche when the situations are completely different lol. Just makes you look silly. Plus in the case of the former more information could elborate what was going on. In the Byun/Coca incicent we know what happend, there is absolutely nothing that could come out that could make what happend okay.
Well it seems most people (including Artosis) didn't know what happened, since they assume, that the goal was to increase the chances of Byun to get a Code A spot.
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Charlie Sheens House51436 Posts
jjakji the terran version of JYP? /make random units, do cool stuff, get 100s of fans then start to stream cuz u fail to win tourneys xD
thats wrong of course, i like jjakji i think he is very good and different! unlike jyp..who is just different
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Why did Artosis think it was an all-in when Jjakji has a CC?
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United Kingdom38145 Posts
Hrm, MVP going all in vs Jjakji's reaper/ghost FE
On November 16 2011 20:25 Telcontar wrote: Why did Artosis think it was an all-in when Jjakji has a CC?
because paying attention is for suckers.
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:25 Holgerius wrote: Reaper ---> Ghost - really?
Ghosts count as light don't think? Or is it Psionic
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Damn ghosts are good against banshees.
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Emp to def cloaked banshee interesting
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