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Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
November 29 2011 20:15 GMT
#301
Thorzain kinda forgot to micro this entire game... such a shame.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
November 29 2011 20:15 GMT
#302
congratz Stephano. taking down thorzain isn`t the easiest task. but you can see his muta-play isn`t the best
keep it deep! @zulison
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
November 29 2011 20:15 GMT
#303
Not a very impressive series from Thorzain. Still not sold on his TvZ style tbh

Stephano was on top of his game though. Very curious how he will do in Korea
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
NeilSC
Profile Joined November 2011
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 20:16:49
November 29 2011 20:16 GMT
#304
Is thorzain a fast player? Doesn't really seem like it, and during Dreamhack they opened the APM tab and it was at about 70-80 dipping as low as 30.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
November 29 2011 20:18 GMT
#305
By the way, was it an online live tournament ? So any player could have (not saying they did) stream sniped ?
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 20:22:55
November 29 2011 20:18 GMT
#306
On November 30 2011 05:16 NeilSC wrote:
Is thorzain a fast player? Doesn't really seem like it, and during Dreamhack they opened the APM tab and it was at about 70-80 dipping as low as 30.


He's not particularly fast, but neither is he slow. Stephano however is pretty damn quick.


On November 30 2011 05:18 Lasbike wrote:
By the way, was it an online live tournament ? So any player could have (not saying they did) stream sniped ?


Or map hacked, or even had someone else play for them!
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 29 2011 20:20 GMT
#307
On November 30 2011 05:16 NeilSC wrote:
Is thorzain a fast player? Doesn't really seem like it, and during Dreamhack they opened the APM tab and it was at about 70-80 dipping as low as 30.

No, but he's not the slowest player. Before the APM change I think it was around 150ish. 70-80 seems pretty damn low even after the change, but it depends what stage of the game it was.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
November 29 2011 20:20 GMT
#308
Thorzain loses -> he's slow, his style sucks
Stephano wins -> watch out koreans!

Nevermind that Thorzain won a pretty good match against SlayersSleep recently and Stephano got blanked at Dreamhack. Come on guys, we can do better than just apply hyperbolic arguments to every match result there is.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
November 29 2011 20:21 GMT
#309
Thorzain was so good vs Nerchio last time too bad his A game was not there this time :/
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12992 Posts
November 29 2011 20:22 GMT
#310
On November 30 2011 05:15 Bromazepam wrote:
Thorzain kinda forgot to micro this entire game... such a shame.

Lol stim finished 5 sec too late.
Their patch was so lame, epic how long it takes for stim to come out, if you got it cancelled in tvt it's game over
WriterMaru
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 29 2011 20:23 GMT
#311
I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12992 Posts
November 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#312
On November 30 2011 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.

He beat Dimaga yesterday and Nerchio the other day lol...
WriterMaru
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
November 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#313
On November 30 2011 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.


Dimaga...yesterday.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 29 2011 20:29 GMT
#314
On November 30 2011 05:24 JohnMatrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.


Dimaga...yesterday.

Don't take this as blasphemous, but dimaga is highly overrated in TvZ because he won 1 game with a baneling bust against MVP way back. In comparison to some other zergs, especially against muta style, thorzain has a lot more trouble.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 29 2011 20:33 GMT
#315
Thorzain isnt MVP either, he's not supposed to beat the best zergs and beating the likes of Nerchio and Dimaga is already a solid TvZ performance.
Terran & Potato Salad.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
November 29 2011 20:33 GMT
#316
On November 30 2011 05:29 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 05:24 JohnMatrix wrote:
On November 30 2011 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.


Dimaga...yesterday.

Don't take this as blasphemous, but dimaga is highly overrated in TvZ because he won 1 game with a baneling bust against MVP way back. In comparison to some other zergs, especially against muta style, thorzain has a lot more trouble.


you should watch his games vs Nerchio of this same cup. it was flawless from A to Z. He's able to produce amazing games vs Zergs, look at the dreamhack summer vs DRG.
FireS
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania415 Posts
November 29 2011 20:34 GMT
#317
will there be vods available ?
back!!
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
November 29 2011 20:35 GMT
#318
On November 30 2011 05:34 FireS wrote:
will there be vods available ?


i hope, i'm looking for them too.
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
November 29 2011 20:48 GMT
#319
uploading vods right now
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
November 29 2011 21:00 GMT
#320
Thanks Special Endrey , can you let us know when it's done by posting a link on this thread please?
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