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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13404 Posts
October 16 2011 14:21 GMT
#481
On October 16 2011 23:18 Fyzar wrote:
I wonder, how should KiWi have played it?

Not balance whining or something, just wondering what he did wrong, I was thinking the colossi came too late, but is that true?


I think storm is the better option nowadays. The maps arent choke pointy enough to have collossus be really good. Surrounds destroy collossus based armies whereas storm can zone units preventing a surround (they must take damage to get surround).
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
October 16 2011 14:21 GMT
#482
Stephano and Kiwikaki against each other always produce some of the best SC2 games :D
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Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
October 16 2011 14:21 GMT
#483
On October 16 2011 23:20 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 23:19 PeggyHill wrote:
On October 16 2011 23:18 Fyzar wrote:
I wonder, how should KiWi have played it?

Not balance whining or something, just wondering what he did wrong, I was thinking the colossi came too late, but is that true?


He needed storm.


Agreed. Templar tech and Archons would be better with well aimed storms.

You know what roaches do to storm? They eat it and laugh! omnomnom awawhahhah

It would be good vs the corruptors only, but they already did their job taking out the colossi :d
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Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#484
awkward handshake :D
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ CJ Entus fighting! I am a Leta, Hydra, Mind and (ofcourse) Firebathero fan. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#485
On October 16 2011 23:20 PeggyHill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 23:18 -_- wrote:
Hydras are worthless and should be removed from the game, right?


As a toss player I am shit scared of hydras. Never understood why zergs complain about them, they rape gateway units so hard.


Kiwi never had more then 1 colossus up at a time though. Need some more to counter hydras.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#486
On October 16 2011 23:18 Fyzar wrote:
I wonder, how should KiWi have played it?

Not balance whining or something, just wondering what he did wrong, I was thinking the colossi came too late, but is that true?


I agree that the collosy were too late. Maybe engage in less open spaces. But his play was really really good.
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#487
On October 16 2011 23:21 yowza wrote:
HT/Archons would've smashed stephano's comp but still, fantastic play by stephano


No way he had time to swap tech.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#488
On October 16 2011 23:21 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 23:20 -_- wrote:
On October 16 2011 23:19 JuuMeijin wrote:
On October 16 2011 23:18 -_- wrote:
Hydras are worthless and should be removed from the game, right?
Yeah they're pretty bad :/


Yup yup, and that game was a great example of why no zerg player should use them.


They melt to storm and Colossi


So do marines.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#489
On October 16 2011 23:20 ZAiNs wrote:
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On October 16 2011 23:18 -_- wrote:
Hydras are worthless and should be removed from the game, right?

Blame Idra for the misconception.


To be fair, at that point in the game it hardly mattered if Stephano made hydras, roaches, or lings.
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Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#490
On October 16 2011 23:20 Automata wrote:
Also, that hydra burrow play was so awesome.


Yeah, that hydra burrow and unburrow to cut the retreat was plain brilliant
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#491
On October 16 2011 23:20 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 23:19 JuuMeijin wrote:
On October 16 2011 23:18 -_- wrote:
Hydras are worthless and should be removed from the game, right?
Yeah they're pretty bad :/


Yup yup, and that game was a great example of why no zerg player should use them.


They are useless as long as there is a hard counter against you. There wasn't.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 14:23:01
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#492
I love the way Stephano continues to add Zerglings and Hydralisks to his unit composition rather than just massing roaches.

It really shows that he understands how the units of Zerg complement each other.

It's small other things too. The burrowing of the Hydralisks to to save them when they were being overwhelmed, the constant use of corruption. It's those small things that really show his Warcraft 3 roots where those sorts of things were so key.

He's making a fan out of me really quickly! :D
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
zerker2strong
Profile Joined May 2011
775 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#493
he made the hydras cuz he had enough corrupters to kill every colossus that would pop after he resetted the colossus count just reactionary play
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#494
Nice game by Stephano. He's up 1-0 vs KiWiKaKi.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#495
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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#496
Game Two on Shattered temple

In the south position is Kiwikaki

While in the north is Stephano
lacho_u
Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria535 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#497
stephano is just 1 class above kiwi, these is not a balance thing at all
Power is nothing without control
zerker2strong
Profile Joined May 2011
775 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#498
woot this map :D
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 14:22:57
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#499
On October 16 2011 23:21 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 23:20 -_- wrote:
On October 16 2011 23:19 JuuMeijin wrote:
On October 16 2011 23:18 -_- wrote:
Hydras are worthless and should be removed from the game, right?
Yeah they're pretty bad :/


Yup yup, and that game was a great example of why no zerg player should use them.


They melt to storm and Colossi

So do Lings and Marines.
Ko1tz
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France493 Posts
October 16 2011 14:22 GMT
#500
Shattered temple! Inb4 another epic game like the one on IPL
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