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On October 16 2011 07:29 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:24 Toadvine wrote:On October 16 2011 07:21 rareh wrote:On October 16 2011 07:19 Toadvine wrote:
I don't even especially mind. Let PuMa get his easy wins while he still can, his poor mechanics and gimmicky play will catch up with him once the 1/1/1 gets patched. For the time being, he'll continue winning until he hits a good T or Z, just like in most tournaments he enters. erm nasl... even without 1-1-1 he is one of the best terrans in korea. NASL was like 4 months ago. Ever since that time, he lost every time the moment he met a Code S Terran or Zerg. Lost to Coca and Nada at MLG, then to MVP and Coca at the MLG Invitational, to MMA at IPL3, and even to Idra at IEM Guangzhou. If you put him in Code S right now, he'd go 1-2 in his group or fall to the Up/Down matches. "best terran in korea" my ass. As if losing to MVP, Nada or MMA, three of the ultra top terrans means your TvP sucks when you actually didn't list a single protoss.
I guess reading three lines of text was too much for you. Allow me to rephrase myself for your convenience: He wins TvP because he abuses the 1/1/1, often in games where he doesn't even do it. Aside from that, his general play is quite poor, and definitely not "top Korean Terran" level.
Also, Nada isn't an "ultra top Terran", he's a consistent mid-range Code S player.
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Lol @JP playing Sc2 while they were showing the dude around his room!
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On October 16 2011 07:33 branflakes14 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:31 Krimineel wrote:On October 16 2011 07:28 branflakes14 wrote:On October 16 2011 07:26 Krimineel wrote:On October 16 2011 07:25 Cyro wrote:On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote:
Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering? Lol comments like this are so bullshit.. Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue. Yeah okay, but after he comes in your base and CLOAKS and still build no observer that isn't Pumas fault.. And I hope the next time you ladder every terran 1-1-1's you just cause you're such a crybaby Wow wow what the hell have I done to deserve insult? And FYI, Sase actually threw up a Robo in his main that 2nd game as soon as he saw the Banshee cloak.
Look back at the game and then look at Sase's gas when the banshee comes into his main. He didn't have enough gas for the obs as he kept running his probes away. He was at like 40 gas and he made an obs as soon as he got 75 gas.
Please understand the situation before making uneducated comments... seriously I wish I didn't get so irritated by these comments
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go robo, lose to none cloak 1,1,1, dont go, lose to cloaked 1,1,1.
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Damn this Nick just got the most awesome room I've ever seen... 3 CPUs... SC2 Collector's Edition, and so much stuff, wow MLG is awesome!
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Just me or is every getting the roomraiders fake bs-vibe?
(I'm not doubting this guy got all this stuff, I'm doubting all the 'emotions'.)
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On October 16 2011 07:28 n00b3rt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:27 BuddhaMonk wrote:On October 16 2011 07:26 n00b3rt wrote:On October 16 2011 07:25 Jakkerr wrote:
I'm not gonna cry because I know what will happen.
But come on blizzard is this really the game we wanna play? If Sase had gone dt-s, and Puma didn't have orbitals and turrets for some reason, would that be imbalanced too ? :D What Terran doesn't get an orbital? Stop being silly. Well, what protoss doesn't get cannons/obs at the cloak banshee timing ? Except for those proxy-gating and 4-gating that would force cloak cancel ??
Are you actually this dumb?
If Sase gets the obs, and it's a no cloak 1/1/1, he loses. End of story, obs won't help b/c Puma will have a raven, and he won't have 2 immortals when the push hits.
If he doesn't get the obs, and it's a cloak 1/1/1 puma wins.
However, if he gets the obs and it's a cloak 1/1/1, he can still lose and puma can still win, same with the vice versa.
That's the problem with 1/1/1 - total coin flip for the toss. If you prepare for it and it hits, you can lose, if you prepare for it and they're not 1/1/1ing then you DO lose.
Your DT analogy holds no water at all. Their is no heavy allin follow up to DTs, and Terran's detection (scan) doesn't require teching to, and can hold down the fort until turrets are up, which come from a building you want anyway.
Don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about.
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1-1-1 just doesn't look fair.
thats pretty true.
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On October 16 2011 07:33 branflakes14 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:31 Krimineel wrote:On October 16 2011 07:28 branflakes14 wrote:On October 16 2011 07:26 Krimineel wrote:On October 16 2011 07:25 Cyro wrote:On October 16 2011 07:25 Krimineel wrote:
Sase so bad it istn even funny anymore Id love to see you beating Puma in PvT at MLG, are you volunteering? Lol comments like this are so bullshit.. Even if 1-1-1 is OP Sase completly failed any build.. it wasn't even close, make no obs when cloak banshee is in base? Can't blame 1-1-1 for that moron Whether or not a Terran gets cloak is a coin flip. Puma didn't get it in the first game but did in the 2nd. Sase had no way of knowing in either game, and getting an Observer is a surprisingly big investment in a tight situation like that. This all comes back to that whole scouting a Terran issue. Yeah okay, but after he comes in your base and CLOAKS and still build no observer that isn't Pumas fault.. And I hope the next time you ladder every terran 1-1-1's you just cause you're such a crybaby Wow wow what the hell have I done to deserve insult? And FYI, Sase actually threw up a Robo in his main that 2nd game as soon as he saw the Banshee cloak.
The robo was up and idle for a long time. SaSe made two mistakes against the Cloak Banshee, he warped in his stalker rounds at his forward pylon (at that time I thought he was just gonna go for the base trade) rather than at his base to defend. He then didn't get the observer because he wasted his gas on the stalkers.
SaSe tilted hard that game, and I'm sure he knows it. It was pretty depressing to watch, but just kind of unfortunate.
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Sase lost that game to 1 cloaked banshee : \
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Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times...
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On October 16 2011 07:34 usethis2 wrote:
Sase did not make observers? I was sure that I saw a robo.
He didn't have the gas as both his assimilators were in the main where he evacuated his probes to the banshee.
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On October 16 2011 07:39 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:34 usethis2 wrote:
Sase did not make observers? I was sure that I saw a robo. He didn't have the gas as both his assimilators were in the main where he evacuated his probes to the banshee.
He made the robo and left it idle to make an obs if a banshee came out... And then he warped in 1 stalker too many and didnt have the gas pool to make the obs, everything fell apart from there
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On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote:
Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times...
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LOL so true
when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
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^ pretty sure he knew its over after banshee killed 15 probes even before it cloacked, so it wasnt actually matter building obs or not. you cant defend 1-1-1 with such a heavy loses. game was over right there.
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On October 16 2011 07:37 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:32 Longshank wrote:
Puma's working on having as few fans as possible. oh please. PUma is a professional gamer and there is big money on the line. He is playing to win. You'd do the same. You're just bitter the guy you wanted to win lost.
That got nothing to do with what I said. I said he doesn't gain any fans by going 1-1-1-ish every TvP which is true.
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On October 16 2011 07:40 pallidiog wrote:
^ pretty sure he knew its over after banshee killed 15 probes even before it cloacked, so it wasnt actually matter. you cant defend 1-1-1 with such a heavy loses. game was over right there.
Game was over on the tenth kill vs an scv pull playing vs Puma, i think.
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On October 16 2011 07:40 laharl23 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote:
Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times...
-.- LOL so true when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
ex BW pro has the shittiest macro ever?
rofl, this puma hate is pretty hilarious at times
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On October 16 2011 07:40 laharl23 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote:
Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times...
-.- LOL so true when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever
he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
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On October 16 2011 07:42 duckmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:40 laharl23 wrote:On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote:
Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times...
-.- LOL so true when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever ex BW pro has the shittiest macro ever? rofl, this puma hate is pretty hilarious at times
He supply blocks himself all the time, at the very least. It was so bad that MrBitter and Rotterdam made fun of it at IEM when he played JYP.
On October 16 2011 07:42 lovethelovers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 07:40 laharl23 wrote:On October 16 2011 07:39 Rybaia wrote:
Mhe don't worry Puma 'll lose vs a non Toss player later in the Championship bracket since he can't play a 20 minute game without supply block himself atleast 4 times...
-.- LOL so true when hes not abusing some sort of timing or OP unit he has the shittiest macro ever he lost to Coca and Bomber and Nada in MLG. Two of the top 3 korean tvts and a really good TvZ. He is sooooooooooooooooooooo badadad loloolol
You must be really desperate to defend PuMa if you claim Coca has good TvZ. Or that Nada has top3 TvT. Face it man, PuMa would be a "forever Code A" Terran, even if he managed to qualify.
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