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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
October 14 2011 17:38 GMT
#981
On October 15 2011 02:15 Azarkon wrote:
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On October 15 2011 02:10 jj33 wrote:
On October 15 2011 02:05 FinBenton wrote:
On October 15 2011 02:00 jj33 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:57 Azarkon wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:51 jj33 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:46 SPQR13 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:37 Tarotis wrote:

proven what wrong?

that talent is not a factor?

you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?


Yes, I deny exactly that. Everything can be trained and learned if your neurons connect the right way. Dont want to go too deep into that as I cant write that down in english


no you are wrong, im sure nature gave some guys some rts game understanding talent, hell, even sc2 game understanding in particular



100% correct.

most recent example I can think of is Stephano. He apparently doens't practice much but watching him play and his decision making/understanding of the game (which at the core is strategy) you can clearly see he's very talented.

When you watch savior play back in bw days, you can clearly see he had talent as well.

I can't believe people here are really trying to say and believe talent is not real. Unbelievable


But then again, I also don't see why you're obsessed with talent.

You can't tell whether what someone lacks is talent just by watching them play. As IdrA, among others in the community, have said - in Starcraft, people who aren't talented but who practice a lot can be good, but people who are talented but who never practice can never be good.

You don't know how much of Axslav/Incontrol's failures are due to their talent and how much of it is due to the way they train.



everything you said i agree.

I never said otherwise. I just mentioned that it's not only hard work, but talent as well.

I just kept going, because it seems there are people out there who believe talent doesn't exist, which is ridiculous.

But I do believe Axslav/incontrol are very limited in their talents compared to top pros.

I dont think no one has said talend doesnt exist at all but seriously anyone can get to top 20 in sc2 with 12h training a day with a great coach. I think talent is what determines whos top 1 and whos top 10 player.. And some people can get up there faster than others..



wrong. take my friend for example. He was horrible and bw and sc2. He's talent is very limited. No matter how hard he tries and how much I try to help him he can not break out of platinum.

He doesn't have the mechanics and more importantly he doesn't have the fast through process. He's a smart guy, but in sc2 he's just lost.



And here's where your argument breaks down.

Mechanics are among the least dependent on talent, and among the most dependent on training.

SC 2 mechanics, especially, which don't really even require very fast hands.

The reason your friend is failing isn't because he lacks talent, it's because he doesn't know how to train his mechanics. Most people don't. But it's the first thing pro players tell you to focus on.

By saying that your friend has crappy mechanics because he isn't talented, you're basically doing him a disservice by not showing him the real way to improve.



That's why I said more importantly the decision making.

yea you can train mechanics, but some people are just faster and more precise than others. but yes in general in sc2 mechanics are not as important. but he's so horrible with his cooridnation and once again more importantly decision making.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
October 14 2011 17:39 GMT
#982
On October 15 2011 02:38 IzenHart wrote:
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On October 15 2011 02:33 Azarkon wrote:
Seeing so many European favorites fall makes me think that Europeans are underestimating the NA players


In europe's defence, I look at the groups and I don't see Naniwa, WhiteRa, Thorzain, Sase, Dimaga, Stephano, Ret, Morrow, while for US I just don't see Idra and Huk.

The only 2 good players in there are Strelok and Mana, incidentally, probably the most unstable ones in terms of results of all the good eu pro players.

I don't see Huk, Idra, Sheth, Select or Kiwikaki, your argument is weak.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 14 2011 17:40 GMT
#983
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 14 2011 17:40 GMT
#984
Amazing how one series or even one event can make someone "overrated" "lollllll" "rofl" etc, when he's been consistent and good for like half a year :p
(same with Stephano by the way, people expect 100% win ratio, they shouldn't.)
NoiR
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
October 14 2011 17:40 GMT
#985
TT1 FIGHTING!~!
@ostojiy
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
October 14 2011 17:41 GMT
#986
Who's Edge? Never heard of him.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
Taug
Profile Joined March 2011
United States146 Posts
October 14 2011 17:41 GMT
#987
On October 15 2011 02:37 Hondelul wrote:
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On October 15 2011 00:04 Taug wrote:
LOL mana playin in code S dont make me laugh

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On October 15 2011 00:07 Taug wrote:
I knew mana fanboys would start crying once top starts trollin

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On October 15 2011 00:21 Taug wrote:
Top gave away game 1 to make Mana think hes actually good rofl

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On October 15 2011 00:23 Taug wrote:
world's best protoss.... hahahahaha

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On October 15 2011 02:31 Taug wrote:
LOL @ 'worlds best protoss'

I think we got it you can stop now

Fine, i'll stop. What should we talk about now? I like watchin protoss play its exciting!!! i miss ogsMC tho

User was temp banned for this post.
The Golden Rule
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 14 2011 17:41 GMT
#988
Let's all just agree that the Europeans had not read up on their opponents and/or played poorly, thus losing...
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 14 2011 17:41 GMT
#989
On October 15 2011 02:39 Maenander wrote:
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On October 15 2011 02:38 IzenHart wrote:
On October 15 2011 02:33 Azarkon wrote:
Seeing so many European favorites fall makes me think that Europeans are underestimating the NA players


In europe's defence, I look at the groups and I don't see Naniwa, WhiteRa, Thorzain, Sase, Dimaga, Stephano, Ret, Morrow, while for US I just don't see Idra and Huk.

The only 2 good players in there are Strelok and Mana, incidentally, probably the most unstable ones in terms of results of all the good eu pro players.

I don't see Huk, Idra, Sheth, Select or Kiwikaki, your argument is weak.


There are 3 Koreans on that list doh.

But let's be real, there needs to be like 5 more of these IEM NY tournament results to be really able to question the balance of power between regions. Just like we don't say "EU best region in the world" every time an EU player knocks out a Korean one, the same counts here.
IzenHart
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom85 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 17:43:01
October 14 2011 17:41 GMT
#990
On October 15 2011 02:39 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 02:38 IzenHart wrote:
On October 15 2011 02:33 Azarkon wrote:
Seeing so many European favorites fall makes me think that Europeans are underestimating the NA players


In europe's defence, I look at the groups and I don't see Naniwa, WhiteRa, Thorzain, Sase, Dimaga, Stephano, Ret, Morrow, while for US I just don't see Idra and Huk.

The only 2 good players in there are Strelok and Mana, incidentally, probably the most unstable ones in terms of results of all the good eu pro players.

I don't see Huk, Idra, Sheth, Select or Kiwikaki, your argument is weak.



Select is not from NA, let's not start this argument again.

Idra and Huk are borderline Korean.


Also, how is my argument weak if I named 8 top EU players and you named 4?



That's twice as big.




Also, lol @kiwikaki, even more unstable than mana.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
October 14 2011 17:42 GMT
#991
Shut up. EU bashing is just as stupid as US bashing.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
October 14 2011 17:42 GMT
#992
On October 15 2011 02:41 Horse...falcon wrote:
Who's Edge? Never heard of him.

American (USA) terran. nobody's ever heard of him.
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
October 14 2011 17:42 GMT
#993
On October 15 2011 02:40 heyoka wrote:
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow.


Theres no way to check the results. Dam where it is?
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 14 2011 17:42 GMT
#994
On October 15 2011 02:40 heyoka wrote:
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow.


duh :o waiting for replay then so maybe we got + Show Spoiler +
fruitdealer advancing? :D
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 14 2011 17:43 GMT
#995
Everyone going crazy over Mana loosing to TT1. Dont really get this. Mana might have been smth like the 2:1 favorite, but a TT1 victory was a good possibility as well.
Off-season = best season
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
October 14 2011 17:43 GMT
#996
On October 15 2011 02:42 Jinsho wrote:
Shut up. EU bashing is just as stupid as US bashing.


this. people with a brain stop, now.
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 14 2011 17:43 GMT
#997
On October 15 2011 02:42 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 02:40 heyoka wrote:
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow.


Theres no way to check the results. Dam where it is?


look in the OP
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 14 2011 17:43 GMT
#998
On October 15 2011 02:42 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 02:40 heyoka wrote:
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow.


duh :o waiting for replay then so maybe we got + Show Spoiler +
fruitdealer advancing? :D

They said ONE game has been played(and it has) not A WHOLE match, chill.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
October 14 2011 17:44 GMT
#999
Nice guys. Keep arguing and talking in circles. Try to shut the fuck up and enjoy the games.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
October 14 2011 17:44 GMT
#1000
can a phoenix lift an immortal?
lol damnit bitter, didnt you cast hasu vs elfi at guangzhou?
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