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On October 15 2011 02:15 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:10 jj33 wrote:On October 15 2011 02:05 FinBenton wrote:On October 15 2011 02:00 jj33 wrote:On October 15 2011 01:57 Azarkon wrote:On October 15 2011 01:51 jj33 wrote:On October 15 2011 01:46 SPQR13 wrote:On October 15 2011 01:37 Tarotis wrote:
proven what wrong?
that talent is not a factor?
you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?
Yes, I deny exactly that. Everything can be trained and learned if your neurons connect the right way. Dont want to go too deep into that as I cant write that down in english  no you are wrong, im sure nature gave some guys some rts game understanding talent, hell, even sc2 game understanding in particular 100% correct. most recent example I can think of is Stephano. He apparently doens't practice much but watching him play and his decision making/understanding of the game (which at the core is strategy) you can clearly see he's very talented. When you watch savior play back in bw days, you can clearly see he had talent as well. I can't believe people here are really trying to say and believe talent is not real. Unbelievable But then again, I also don't see why you're obsessed with talent. You can't tell whether what someone lacks is talent just by watching them play. As IdrA, among others in the community, have said - in Starcraft, people who aren't talented but who practice a lot can be good, but people who are talented but who never practice can never be good. You don't know how much of Axslav/Incontrol's failures are due to their talent and how much of it is due to the way they train. everything you said i agree. I never said otherwise. I just mentioned that it's not only hard work, but talent as well. I just kept going, because it seems there are people out there who believe talent doesn't exist, which is ridiculous. But I do believe Axslav/incontrol are very limited in their talents compared to top pros. I dont think no one has said talend doesnt exist at all but seriously anyone can get to top 20 in sc2 with 12h training a day with a great coach. I think talent is what determines whos top 1 and whos top 10 player.. And some people can get up there faster than others.. wrong. take my friend for example. He was horrible and bw and sc2. He's talent is very limited. No matter how hard he tries and how much I try to help him he can not break out of platinum. He doesn't have the mechanics and more importantly he doesn't have the fast through process. He's a smart guy, but in sc2 he's just lost. And here's where your argument breaks down. Mechanics are among the least dependent on talent, and among the most dependent on training. SC 2 mechanics, especially, which don't really even require very fast hands. The reason your friend is failing isn't because he lacks talent, it's because he doesn't know how to train his mechanics. Most people don't. But it's the first thing pro players tell you to focus on. By saying that your friend has crappy mechanics because he isn't talented, you're basically doing him a disservice by not showing him the real way to improve.
That's why I said more importantly the decision making.
yea you can train mechanics, but some people are just faster and more precise than others. but yes in general in sc2 mechanics are not as important. but he's so horrible with his cooridnation and once again more importantly decision making.
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On October 15 2011 02:38 IzenHart wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:33 Azarkon wrote:Seeing so many European favorites fall makes me think that Europeans are underestimating the NA players  In europe's defence, I look at the groups and I don't see Naniwa, WhiteRa, Thorzain, Sase, Dimaga, Stephano, Ret, Morrow, while for US I just don't see Idra and Huk. The only 2 good players in there are Strelok and Mana, incidentally, probably the most unstable ones in terms of results of all the good eu pro players.
I don't see Huk, Idra, Sheth, Select or Kiwikaki, your argument is weak.
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Katowice25012 Posts
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow.
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Amazing how one series or even one event can make someone "overrated" "lollllll" "rofl" etc, when he's been consistent and good for like half a year :p
(same with Stephano by the way, people expect 100% win ratio, they shouldn't.)
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Who's Edge? Never heard of him.
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On October 15 2011 02:37 Hondelul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:04 Taug wrote:
LOL mana playin in code S dont make me laugh Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:07 Taug wrote:
I knew mana fanboys would start crying once top starts trollin Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:21 Taug wrote:
Top gave away game 1 to make Mana think hes actually good rofl I think we got it you can stop now
Fine, i'll stop. What should we talk about now? I like watchin protoss play its exciting!!! i miss ogsMC tho
User was temp banned for this post.
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Let's all just agree that the Europeans had not read up on their opponents and/or played poorly, thus losing...
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On October 15 2011 02:39 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:38 IzenHart wrote:On October 15 2011 02:33 Azarkon wrote:Seeing so many European favorites fall makes me think that Europeans are underestimating the NA players In europe's defence, I look at the groups and I don't see Naniwa, WhiteRa, Thorzain, Sase, Dimaga, Stephano, Ret, Morrow, while for US I just don't see Idra and Huk. The only 2 good players in there are Strelok and Mana, incidentally, probably the most unstable ones in terms of results of all the good eu pro players. I don't see Huk, Idra, Sheth, Select or Kiwikaki, your argument is weak.
There are 3 Koreans on that list doh.
But let's be real, there needs to be like 5 more of these IEM NY tournament results to be really able to question the balance of power between regions. Just like we don't say "EU best region in the world" every time an EU player knocks out a Korean one, the same counts here.
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On October 15 2011 02:39 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:38 IzenHart wrote:On October 15 2011 02:33 Azarkon wrote:Seeing so many European favorites fall makes me think that Europeans are underestimating the NA players In europe's defence, I look at the groups and I don't see Naniwa, WhiteRa, Thorzain, Sase, Dimaga, Stephano, Ret, Morrow, while for US I just don't see Idra and Huk. The only 2 good players in there are Strelok and Mana, incidentally, probably the most unstable ones in terms of results of all the good eu pro players. I don't see Huk, Idra, Sheth, Select or Kiwikaki, your argument is weak.
Select is not from NA, let's not start this argument again.
Idra and Huk are borderline Korean.
Also, how is my argument weak if I named 8 top EU players and you named 4?
That's twice as big.
Also, lol @kiwikaki, even more unstable than mana.
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Shut up. EU bashing is just as stupid as US bashing.
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On October 15 2011 02:41 Horse...falcon wrote:
Who's Edge? Never heard of him.
American (USA) terran. nobody's ever heard of him.
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On October 15 2011 02:40 heyoka wrote:
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow.
Theres no way to check the results. Dam where it is?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:40 heyoka wrote:
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow.
duh :o waiting for replay then so maybe we got + Show Spoiler +fruitdealer advancing? :D
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Everyone going crazy over Mana loosing to TT1. Dont really get this. Mana might have been smth like the 2:1 favorite, but a TT1 victory was a good possibility as well.
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On October 15 2011 02:42 Jinsho wrote:
Shut up. EU bashing is just as stupid as US bashing.
this. people with a brain stop, now.
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On October 15 2011 02:42 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:40 heyoka wrote:
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow. Theres no way to check the results. Dam where it is?
look in the OP
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On October 15 2011 02:42 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 02:40 heyoka wrote:
FD and edge just finished playing a ridiculously epic game... I won't spoil the winner here (that's in the match results) but I recommend everyone watches the rep when its out tonight or early tomorrow. duh :o waiting for replay then so maybe we got + Show Spoiler +fruitdealer advancing? :D
They said ONE game has been played(and it has) not A WHOLE match, chill.
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Nice guys. Keep arguing and talking in circles. Try to shut the fuck up and enjoy the games.
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can a phoenix lift an immortal?
lol damnit bitter, didnt you cast hasu vs elfi at guangzhou?
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EPT
